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Religion, a debate.

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mikee
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Hey guys, I was reading the Jesus thread and it really sparked an interestt in me to see what people on this website thought of religion and such. I just took a week off school to take a week-long course in religion and I have come out much more open minded and accepting. Presonally, I think religion is something created and formed by culture and therefore , inherently not true. However, I believe that anything is possible and therefore, god can exist and might. What I dont understand is what leads people (im assuming the majority of you are christians so lets talk bible) to belive what these scriptures say? What makes your religion truer than all others? Of course there could be a higher power, but I feel that religion is just taking this belief in the divine and shaping it for the cultures benefit. I am not saying anything strictly, just saying my opinions and eager to hear yours. Also, please dont fuck this thread up and post bullshit about nothing.

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May 15 2003 4:03PM
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buck490
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about the dead sea scrolls here ya go.
Dead Sea Scrolls, collection of about 600 Hebrew and Aramaic manuscripts discovered in a group of caves near Khirbat Qumrân in Jordan, at the northwestern end of the Dead Sea. The leather and papyrus scrolls, which survive in varying states of preservation, came to light in a series of archaeological finds that began in 1947. The manuscripts have been attributed to members of a previously unknown Jewish brotherhood. The scrolls include manuals of discipline, hymnbooks, biblical commentaries, and apocalyptic writings; two of the oldest known copies of the Book of Isaiah, almost wholly intact; and fragments of every book in the Old Testament except that of Esther. Among the latter is a fanciful paraphrase of the Book of Genesis. Also found were texts, in the original languages, of several books of the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha. These texts—none of which was included in the Hebrew canon of the Bible—are Tobit, Sirach, Jubilees, portions of Enoch, and the Testament of Levi, hitherto known only in early Greek, Syriac, Latin, and Ethiopic versions.


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May 23 2003 12:08AM
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PhattTim
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The dead sea scrolls are records that were found in a bunch of caves in the middle east that date back to the time of Christ, they document his life, resurection and actions.

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May 23 2003 12:11AM
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sherLocke
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some good drugs haha. idk could be true
peace,paul


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May 23 2003 12:42PM
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Mykel
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this isn't meant to be a joke, but a very serious question. If your 'god' is almighty and all powerful, the can he make a boulder big enough that he can't lift it. In a way I feel that that is a very simple way to disprove the existance of higher powers, just think about it.
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May 23 2003 2:18PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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could he make a pepper so hot he cant eat it? i dont know... does it 'disprove' anything? all it really shows is that god does not contradict himself. if thats the best argument against gods existance, then i thik i had better start going to church and reading the sciptures more regualarly, cause i think theres more evidence for his existance that is more convincing than your little paradox...








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May 24 2003 9:22AM
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sherLocke
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im not supporting any exsistance of a higher power but, slikjamesdick or w/e your name is. your theory isnt holdin up there buddy. if 'he' is all powerful then he chould never make a boulder that he couldnt lift. 'all' when you think about it is a huge word to be tossin around in this situation. 'all powerful' means that nothing is out of reach and nothing is immpossible for him, so he could never make a boulder he couldnt lift.
peace,paul


'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'
-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'
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May 24 2003 11:35AM
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FreshCoast
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That is the worse 'theory' I have ever heard.
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May 24 2003 2:52PM
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Mykel
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that obviously isn't the best I could put together, just an interesting little conundrum, I apparently none of you 'believers' can give an answer to explain.

religious folk are the laziest people I know of. Rather than go out and try to prove something, or discover the meaning behind a natural occurance or anything that they can't explain, the just say 'god created it' or 'god did that to test our faith' science is only truly exlplainable thing in our universe...and science and your make-believe men in the sky can possible coexist.

I highly doubt I'd be able to convince some of the people on this site of the truth behind their religions. Some of you are so fanatically attached to your fables and myths, that ignorance beheld by them have seeped in and corrupt your entire way of thinking.


Thank you for reading my post,
have a nice day :)


***the thing I like about highschool girls, is I keep getting older but they stay the same age!
****I don't just huck, I suck
***Actually my name isn't even James!
****Hugs not drugs!
***can't we all just get along?
****I hate hate
***visit my crappy website...OR ELSE!
****I flunked out of school cause I'm hardcore!
***the REAL creator of the NS.com cousin exchange program!
****How are you gonna learn to party in school, MOM!
***Official whistle toting deputy ski patrol.
****Andrew and I (standing in liftline) : 'DILLHOLE!'
guy up front (while raising hand): right here!
***Don't drop your pocket!
****I'd like to give a special thanks to gsqueen, who named her thread after me...my 1st very own thread
***stuhalverson:9slickjamesjik, your signature is to damn long!!! eliminate the spaces or something.
****conceptkid: nah, i think this forum sux becuase of slickjames and his completely gay sig. shorten it up and people might start coming back. I think montana is pretty sick for skiing, maybe not in missoula but in whitefish for sure. Im gonna stick with montana skiing and no waiting in lines at lifts
***linechick1260: james after reading your signature i forgot what the post was about....that means its too long...

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May 24 2003 3:33PM
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FreshCoast
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^ Talk about a hypocritical reply.
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May 24 2003 4:37PM
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sherLocke
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religion gets me doubtful and thats why i stay athiest and i am agreeing with you. just the way you tried to disprove a higher exsistence was horrendous.
peace,paul


'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'
-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'
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May 24 2003 11:25PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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slick- do you recall my questions to you? i think i made a more than convincing case against the finality and certianty of science as a basis for answers to all questions. your reply to my questions were no better than anything you ridecule religious people for. religion requires mad study if you want to understand it. as much as any secular schoolastic subject i have undertaken... so go back to page one or two of this thread, and please indulge my questions, as you gave only the most cursory of explanations initially.








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May 25 2003 12:31AM
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PhattTim
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yo slickyfingers, do you ever wonder WHY most religions people don't try and prove their points? It's because of assholes like you, people so closed minded, look at you, you arrogant fuck; 'tell you the truth behind their religions', you think you know everything and in your own mind you do know everything, you are the man, you know what's what, no one can tell you anything coz you know it all already, THAT is why people don't try to convince you, you're mind's already made up and you're a cock about it, it's pretty simple really.

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May 25 2003 7:27AM
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mikee
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hmmmm, I think his theory is interesting in another sense. It kindof leads to a debate on infinity. If god could build a boulder big enough that he couldnt lift it. He could just use his powers to lift it. But he could make it bigger. It actually is quite a paradox.

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May 25 2003 10:24AM
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lalalalaura
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i am a hedonist. i believe to live life to whatever give you the most pleasure. it may interfere with other people's moral codes, but in the end, if it gives you pleasure and strength to carry on, isn't it worth it? i just believe to do what you love, whatever the consequences. this may sound selfish, but if what you are doing to find happiness harms other people, and that makes you sad, then in fact, it's not the action you should be doing if it effects you negatively in the end. it wouldn't not be a positive effect to obtain pleasure. it would be a negative effect, which would inturn, not benefit you if you or give you any feeling of happiness, so it wouldn't not make sense to do. If we weren't intended to live life for the most pleasure possible, then we wouldn't get the feel of happiness, when performing things we enjoy. do what you love, that's the theory i follow.
if god didn't want us to masturbate, he would've made our arms shorter
May 25 2003 1:30PM
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lanks
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yeah that philosophy is really gonna take you places

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May 25 2003 4:18PM
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PhattTim
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I think that your philosophy (fireunderwater dude) is actually pretty accurate of what most people do anyway. People are out there to please themselves and usually at the expense of others, I'd say it's pretty typical of probably 90% of the population.

And if God had made our arms to short for masturbation then how would we unzip our fly and flop the old codger out for a point, aim and shake?

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May 25 2003 6:04PM
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lanks
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i guess we'd have to stand there and hope for the best...hey, thats what i do anyway

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May 25 2003 7:28PM
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petek
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you know what religion i dont get? Scientology, because if we were from another planet, and we are waiting for our ancestors to come back, isnt that a waste of time? Humans were pbly so anal, that they booted us off our home world, why would they give a fuck about us now?



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'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
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May 25 2003 8:57PM
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petek
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If we couldnt masturbate, the rape rate would skyrocket.



'what can we do to stop this war?'
'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
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May 25 2003 9:03PM
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sherLocke
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if we couldnt masturbate then we wouldnt know what masturbating was like so i dont think that we would worry too much about it so the rape rate wouldnt skyrocket. humans having shorter arms gives me a funny picture, like a regular size human with these 2 feet long arms bouncin around. haha
peace,paul


'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'
-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'
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May 25 2003 9:37PM
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Caden
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im agnostic... well im officially catholic, but i have no idea what i believe in. i go to church every sunday, i like hearing the gospels, but the rest of the mass for the most part is garbage around here. a lot of propaganda, which you wouldn't expect from a church. or maybe you would? i think it's all good and ok to believe in a higher power but i think that following something that other people believe in won't bring you to where you want to go. there are rarely people who listen word for word to the mass anyways, but still, everybody's beliefs are different, and when the priest keeps mumbling on about the catholic church being the light and the way, and to extend hands to our brothers and sisters, to steer away from evil (hinting at non religious people), and to wtick with only catholic church. then they pass the collection. jerks.


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May 25 2003 9:54PM
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petek
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i went from atheist, to agnostic to spiritualist, i know what ure goin through buddy.



'what can we do to stop this war?'
'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
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May 25 2003 10:00PM
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rsd
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i have heard it before, but what does 'agnostic' mean?

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May 26 2003 7:53PM
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lanks
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agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

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May 26 2003 8:14PM
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lanks
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basically you're undecided and uninterested in religion, you know, your straddling the fence, not picking a side.

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May 26 2003 8:28PM
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petek
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lanks that second part isnt totally true. Faith is extremely important to humans, so is knowing. The reason why they are on the fence, is because they do not want to make the mistake, of a mistake.



'what can we do to stop this war?'
'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
Proud member of the official NS Ogre team, and NS communist party and OTC
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May 26 2003 8:30PM
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crimphard
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i believe that religion is separate for everyone, you cannot shove one thing down someones throat and expect them to follow it. i made up my own religion and yea, im enjoing it and no, i am not a goth, my religion is like a mix between buddahism, judism, christianity and confucism...yea, cool
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May 26 2003 9:11PM
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petek
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what was just said made no sense, its like sayin a made a fruit that is made out of beef and chicken. Ure either budhist, or you are not. Most ppl dont consider it a religion, because it does not try to explain our becoming, but what we are to become. Confucious is definately NOT a religion, its a philosophy. Judaism? Christianity? ummm, yeah. One has a messiah, the other does not, one has an entire new testament, the other does not, etc etc.



'what can we do to stop this war?'
'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
Proud member of the official NS Ogre team, and NS communist party and OTC
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May 26 2003 9:22PM
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crimphard
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um, right, i did not say that i am all of those religions, i take different aspects and combine them into one...and yes, i knew that confucism was a philosopy...its integrated into my religion
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May 26 2003 9:25PM
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petek
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so basically you follow the religions of judaism, and christianity, but follow the ideas of budhism, and philosophy of confucious. Could work...

But my favourite of all religions, to study, must be Norse. It is so rich in story, myth and culture. The Valkeries(swedish bikini massagers, that can heal ppl) Select the greatest warriors to reach valhalla, a land where the heros battle during the day, feast and become healed at night, in preparation for Ragnarok, end of days. Thats just a simple version.



'what can we do to stop this war?'
'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
Proud member of the official NS Ogre team, and NS communist party and OTC
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May 26 2003 9:32PM
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crimphard
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yes, correct...i guess i didnt make myself clear in the beginning
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May 26 2003 9:42PM
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sherLocke
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you can believe in whatever the hell you want. its a belief and has no bearing on truthfullness at all. its all in your own opinions.
peace,paul


'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'
-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'
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May 26 2003 9:50PM
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lanks
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so you people are saying that if you believe what you want to believe, youll end up where you want to end up...ie heaven as an example?

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May 26 2003 9:59PM
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petek
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thats the same as saying god didnt exist until ppl started believing in him.



'what can we do to stop this war?'
'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
Proud member of the official NS Ogre team, and NS communist party and OTC
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May 26 2003 10:00PM
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mikee
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I believe that there could be something more but I dont know so how can I believe? I believe that there is possibility but no security so I just dont give a fuck. However I find it interesting to discuss. What I also think of is that religion and science ar ethe same. If religion was reality (there really was a god(christian)) then that would be the science. God would be an extra-terestrial/some unknown form of life. And angels would be a manifestation of something scientififc. It all play in together.

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May 26 2003 10:10PM
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lanks
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im wondering why you think god would be some other form of life, i think he exists in a different dimension altogether where everything is infinite...we cant really comprehend that but thats what ive been taught and i have no reason to believe otherwise...

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May 26 2003 10:31PM
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mikee
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sure but whatever he is would be the science.

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May 26 2003 10:33PM
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sherLocke
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yeah word to that MikeE


'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'
-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'
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May 28 2003 2:53PM
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What_A_Wookie
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What did Renes DSescartes say to try and prove god?
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May 28 2003 6:26PM
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PhattTim
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God isn't science, God is the greatest Scientest of all. Imagine a big fuck off circle the size of the sun. Place a little dot in the middle of it. That circle represents all the knowledge there is to know, that little dot represents how much of it we know. God knows the rest so it's just plain arrogance to try and place God in a box and think about how he exists. All we really can know about him is that he must look kinda like a man because we were created in his image and who knows what kind of dimension he lives in because everything we know has been created by men so it's not like his world is going to be the same, it's all horribly confusing and amazing stuff that we can never even try to comprehend so yeah, it's all good.

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May 28 2003 8:03PM
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rsd
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^EXACTLY i believe that god created us and as our race of humans grew, he/she began to set himself back and limit us to what could know about him, thats why it is pointless to spend time figuring everything out because maybe we arent supposed to know. Plus, we arent supposed to 'understand' everything aobut god and everything that is in the bible, we are supposed to believe and let our faith guide us. That is what makes our religion, our FAITH, not our understanding. Also, god is a superior being, so we cannot comprehend his powers, so slickjick or w.e., thats a very good point, but with good faith, it doesnt proove anything....

that is all

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May 28 2003 8:23PM
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roxysister360
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Dude that's like the first intelligent post you've posted. Congradulations.On a more serious note, i totally agree with what he said. God did limit our knowledge. We aren't supposed to know everything about God. Once again, we're back to the fact that it's a matter of faith. That's really all there is to it.
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May 29 2003 1:03PM
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sherLocke
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i think that we are just here and nobody created us. and yeah it sure sounds like a cliche but i believe in evolution its the only thing that makes sense with facts to back it up. except for the fact that where did the first atom come from and where did the thing that made the first atom come from and what made that and so on and so on and so on. if god did create the earth and the rest of the universe then what made god? and where was god when he was doing all of this? just like chillin in some dark void all alone one day and decided to acquire special powers and make the earth and the rest of the universe? its too far fetched in my opinion and religion is just one big metaphor for what we think happenned and also what we know happenned. god is just something that keeps us going, just that natural force and energy that keeps us alive and the thing that created us. us being humans, rising above all other species and conquering this planet. that is god. i doubt there is actually an embodyment of this thing we call 'god.' its all metaphors people. all an attempt to explain the history of humans for lazy people. think, dont have blind faith. and yes im being opinionated biased and sterotypical saying things like lazy and blind faith but thats just my opinion, dont cry about it.
peace,paul


'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'
-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'
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May 29 2003 3:24PM
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rsd
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thats the only intelligent thing i've said? first you say i have a gay sig, now you make fun of my posts... jeeze... but what was wrong with my first couple of posts earlier in this thread? did u even read those?

-Ryan
May 29 2003 5:50PM
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sherLocke
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dont sweat it rsd, with the number of posts you have im surprised you respond to trash that gets posted up here.
peace,paul


'handin out flyers is jus fuckin ridiculous...when you give somebody a flyer its like...say man...why dont you go throw this out for me?'
-mitch hedburg

'is mick nick and mike wilson the same people?'
-//d-lite//
May 29 2003 6:47PM
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PhattTim
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Snostay, I can see exactly why you believe in evolution. I would too if I hadn't lived my life the way I have and seen the things i've seen. Evolution, in a broad picture, does make sense, it makes almost perfect sense. I disagree with you that there are any facts to back it up, I think there aren't but that's okay. It seems almost ideal that a species would better adapt itself to it's environments and surroundings. On the other hand, it's just too extraordinary to be possible, and like you said earlier, where did that first molecule come from and how did nothingness suddenly explode into somethingness, it's just too mindbogglng and I personally think that we, as humans, just aren't meant to know.

The other side: I can also see exactly why you choose not to accept God and creation. If you didn't believe then yeah, it's pretty far fetched and out of it to think that some supreme being created us and our planet, and where did he come from? how did he do it? how could he have done it? there's so many questions and no answers, again, we just aren't meant to know the answers. I guess God has all the answers and if we had them all then we'd be Gods too wouldn't we and I don't think he wants that.


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May 29 2003 8:34PM
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paul, evolution does not have facts to back it up, yes the scientific community backs it in general, but they tailor the evidence to fit their theory and it is ever changing according to every new scientific finding that comes out. scientific creationism has not changed at all and has yet to be disproven in any respect. however i realize why you dont want to put blind faith in creationism, and i hate to say it, but you and countless others are putting blind faith in evolution instead. none have been proven, none have been disproven, but both theories require gigantic leaps of faith. i just would rather out my faith in god, than in a little swirling dot of everything that came from nothing and made everything.

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May 29 2003 8:38PM
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Mykel
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kind of like the way religious folk 'interpret' the words of their bibles so that they fit into a world 2000 years removed from when they were written?

and you obviously haven't ever study evolution if you can say that there is no proof for, wow that makes me so angry that you said that...I need to go break something now, and pretend that I'm beating some common sense into one of you
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okay, show me the proof, there isn't any, go on, show it.

And the bible is full of parables and stories, they are MEANT to be taken literally and applied to your own life. fuck, are you the only one here who is so stubborn and so fucking dumb that you can't see that. Damn you must be one thick ass mofo, how the hell did you get out of junior high? Wait, you're probably still there.

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May 30 2003 1:24AM
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phattim you've made some good arguments through and through, but that last one i disagree with. ok as much as i believe in the bible and stuff, it's not all meant to be taken literally. the flood gates in teh sky..oh yeah they're real (that's sarcasm). the parables aren't meant to be taken literally either...go ahead and built a house on sand, let me know how it turns out. teh parables, yes they are used to compare our lives from how they are to how they should be, but it's more or less our faith lives. take the man who built his house on rocks and the man who built his house on sand. the man who built his house on rocks had strong faith and a good solid foundation. the man who built his house on sand had little faith adn wasnt very firm in his beliefs. i dunno..maybe i misunderstood something, but i defiietely do not think the bible was to be taken literally.
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