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Look px12 question

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lyndon
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do the look px12 have the pivot heel?
Jul 20 2006 1:04PM
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SeymourGrease
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pretty sure it didnt.... so no
Jul 20 2006 1:38PM
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iggyskier
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Nope
Jul 20 2006 1:40PM
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boochronic13
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i haven't ridin the pivot i only have the 12s but i hear the pivots are better???????
Jul 20 2006 2:06PM
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lyndon
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how are they?
Jul 20 2006 2:10PM
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boochronic13
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functionally i have no complaints, they're light strong and they hold me in... i want to try pivots though.
Jul 20 2006 2:24PM
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skier_boy26
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after using pivots for years, the px has seemed to be better binding. The turntable heel was nice, but the px holds you in much tighter, and they dont rip out! I liked the pivots, but every pair i had ripped out at some point or another. Yay for px
Jul 20 2006 5:02PM
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SeymourGrease
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seems like some good info
Jul 21 2006 4:09AM
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Burrito
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Even though they don't have the pivot heel, they have the same amount of elastic travel. Your boot seems a little more secure in the PXs. You never have to look down to make sure your boot isn't halfway out of the binding.
Jul 21 2006 6:18AM
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Luc.
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i LOVE my pivot heel....i think they are perfetc...its like...i am thinking...shit dont pop off i cant get this one back...andthey stay on...and then half way through me thinking...shit better pop off or my knee is going too....BOOM...skis are off...my knees are thankful : )
Jul 21 2006 8:49AM
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Grimace.
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so true
Jul 21 2006 1:09PM
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ski_cartel
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thats right, the piviot heel's respond to your very thoughts. One time i was thinking wow im hungry and then BOOM i was at the lodge in the food line. I dont know how it happened but it did.

Actually tho i find the pivot heel to be a much better system. They do have the same amout of travel but unlike the pivot they seem to only eject when i actually need them too. I have a pair and dont intend on getting rid of them any time soon 
Jul 21 2006 1:18PM
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lyndon
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ya, but i cant find the p10 anywhere online or in a shop.........does anyone know a site that has them??
Jul 21 2006 1:45PM
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SeymourGrease
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search up p10 and in one of the new threads theres a link i saw thats leads to a site selling them for 140$ USD shipped i beleive
Jul 21 2006 8:39PM
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iridefattwins
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are they alot lighter than p12 jibbs?
Jul 21 2006 9:08PM
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grubix2
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I have pivots. I want to try the px. According to look/rossi they are safer than the pivots.


Jul 21 2006 9:25PM
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Burrito
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About the same. The safety Look is talking about is better forward pressure. I think the PXs feel more secure, but you can decide for yourself.
Jul 22 2006 9:10AM
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lyndon
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thnks
Jul 22 2006 12:47PM
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[lineskier]820
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whats the difference between the heelpeices of the px12 jib and p12 jib like pivot wise and crap, cause i have p12s and i like em a lot just wondering
Jul 22 2006 1:09PM
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FUUUCK
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i only buy pivot bindings, ive never had any issues with them, maybe ill try px when the price drops
Jul 22 2006 1:48PM
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St.Steezy
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the px12 does not pivot while the p12 does.
Jul 22 2006 2:44PM
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japanair
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One difference I notice on my pivot vs px is that the footprint of the healpiece on the px is a couple inches longer than the pivot. I'm not sure if this makes any difference. Perhaps it makes a minute difference in the flex of the ski, but i doubt it.
Jul 22 2006 3:44PM
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skier_boy26
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the larger contact area with the ski is so miniscule it really doesnt matter.

oh and if you cant find any bindings i have some p12s that ill throw up for sale.
Jul 22 2006 4:34PM
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lyndon
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footprint????
Jul 22 2006 5:22PM
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japanair
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To make it more clear, basically the contact area of the entire heal piece to the ski. like the other dude said, it won't make a differnece. just something i noticed.
Jul 22 2006 6:01PM
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Burrito
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The back of the heelpiece (behind the screws) is actually not flush with the ski to allow a little more flex.
Jul 22 2006 7:22PM
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BigRodRiley
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does everybody jack up the DIN on the p12 to 12? im just wondering what the recommended DIN is for them.
Jul 22 2006 7:35PM
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[lineskier]820
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does it really affect the bindings performance that much though, whats the difference performance wise between the two or is the pivot better or the px is essentially what im asking
Jul 22 2006 8:13PM
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Spitzer
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The PX has better retention than the older pivot models in my opinion. I've found that there's much better power transfer while using the PX bindings. They still have the same amount of elastic travel (30 or 35mm ?) in the heel, except it's a different design. I like the way the PX engages the heel of the boot too, feels a bit more reassuring than the pivots.
Jul 23 2006 3:21AM
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Spitzer
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Recommended DIN is based on your skier ability, weight, height, boot sole length, and age. Unless you've been skiing for a while and can recognize your need for a higher DIN, stick with the shop recommendation.
Jul 23 2006 3:25AM
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lyndon
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thanks...i think its 25mm, but i could be wrong
Jul 23 2006 10:26AM
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Spitzer
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nope, you're right there.
Jul 24 2006 1:31AM
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KeegLove
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they dont, but they are still a VERY sic binding, i love em to death, deff look into them!
Jul 24 2006 3:49PM
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[lineskier]820
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does the non pivot put the rider at a acl tear risk than the p12, or does the px retention tec release so it doesnt happen, sorry for all the questions just curious and such
Jul 24 2006 7:53PM
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lyndon
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thats what im wondering
Jul 25 2006 9:34AM
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hendrik.
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correct if im wrong,

setting the binding to 12 (the highest setting) is not recommended at all. ideally, you want your din to be in the middle of the range so the spring in the binding isnt too loose, leading to the binding not releasing, or too tight, leading the binding to release too easily.
Jul 25 2006 2:03PM
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Spitzer
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Yes, ideally you're supposed to have your DIN in the middle of the range. Of course, that's not always possible. For example, you'll have kiddy skiers that have a DIN of 0.75-1.00. Pretty much all junior bindings run from 0.75-4.5, so ideally, that's not the best binding for that skiier.

But again, bindings need to operate consistantly though the entire DIN range of the binding, otherwise binding manufacturers could get into a bit of trouble. Technically, you can crank up the DIN to the max if you need to, but ideally, it should be in the middle for the exact reasons that you mentioned.

As for the pivot helping prevent ACL injuries... not sure, but maybe a Rossi or Look rep would know.

Jul 25 2006 10:14PM
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