For all those who don't believe in God...

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yes but the notion of a 'safety-net' faith is such an absurd notion. what good is faith if you choose to ignore substantial feelings of doubt. ritual is just fluff if you don't have thorough faith in what you're doing. i'd think first and foremost if you had any sort of respect for your god, then you wouldn't treat it/him/she like the stupid denialistic parent of a truant adolescent...as if god would just turn its head and pretend like it doesn't know that you thoroughly doubt your ritual practices.

the safety net is bullshit and it really is the classic projection of the idiot denial filled christian that aetheists so commonly shake their heads at.

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Jul 13 2005 9:58AM

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Thanks for saving me the trouble Ian.

"Logic." HAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Jul 13 2005 10:00AM

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I am a firm beleiver in the fact that geography is the main determining factor in what people beleive and the faith that they follow. no one knows the real answer and harping on peoples beleifs although different from your own is the kind ignorance that is rampant in our world today.

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Jul 13 2005 10:01AM

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wat happends when we die then???

Jul 13 2005 11:06AM

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You preatty much kicked my ass right there. I guess what I should say is that I have enough faith in my religion so that I do believe in God and that he has some sort of plan. But I am not going to go and convert that fat muslim kid in my civics class by spitting out verse after verse, cause I know that there is a chance i could be completely wrong.

Jul 13 2005 12:17PM

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i came from a monley god damnit

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Jul 13 2005 12:22PM

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thats probably the dumbest fucking thing i've ever heard.

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Jul 13 2005 12:23PM

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"when the first cell divided and how the first autotrophic organism evolved"
Evolution all makes sense to a degree, but for one thing. Where did that first cell come from? I mean, one second there is rocks and nothing and a baren planet, and the next a lifeform comes up and appears out of nowhere? How? If you take a rock and divide into a billion pieces, search right down to the absolute core of the rock, you won't find anything that even resembles a living creature. So where did those first cells come from? They couldn't have evolved out of rock. The only possible answer is creation.

"how the earths gases changed to suit humans"
Well that's an interesting coincidence, isn't it. It's almost as though it was planned to happen that way. Maybe from some higher power, possibly?

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Jul 13 2005 12:33PM

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^how about where did the rock come from? Thats why this is never gunna be answered. Both have pretty much the same big ass hole.

Jul 13 2005 12:38PM

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haha, you guys are making everything sound so simple. Sorry I didn't explain it in great detail....

The earth started out with CO, CO2, H2, N2, S, and HCl, but no O2. As the earth cooled, the gases condensed and formed water and minerals. UV radiation provided energy to form organic compounds out of inorganic compounds. Complex molecules such as acetic acid, formaldehyde, and amino acids formed... the basic building blocks of life and simple polymers.

Proteinoids are polypeptides that are dehydrated amino acids. Protobinonts are what developed into cells by being able to carry out chemical reactions across a boarder, cell membrane. Eventually they mutated into heterotrouphs that consumed organic material. As herterotrouphs increased, natural selection began to exist. As a result, autotrophs mutated into highly successful cells that could make their own food, aka plants. These new cells used light NRG and organic compounds to make food, and thus as an output, made oxygen. The UV rays and O2 reacted to make an ozone. Plants further developed from cyanobacteria. Humans eventually evolved also.. lol to make it simple. So in actuallity, all things were evolved from one type of prokaryotic cell, which was believed to be cyanobacteria?? I'm not positive about that.

Sorry if that isn't clear, and its mostly reviewed info I got from my sparknotes book. Tell me if I need to clear anything up.

Jul 13 2005 12:52PM

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You could clear up where all the gases came from? They could just have been there forever, they had to come from somewhere too.

Jul 13 2005 1:04PM

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ya who knows where everything came from i mean everything had to start somewhere or if you think about it where is our universe or where did all the stars and planets come from and if there really is a god where the hell did he come from? i mean there is so many unanswered question im pretty sure we'll never know

Jul 13 2005 1:07PM

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Exactly, its a pretty pointless debate.

Jul 13 2005 1:10PM

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15 billion years ago, theres a theory that an explosion of matter created the universe and also created many gases and elements essential to life. This came from neutrons, elections and protons all assembling in different orders and cooling into different isotopes and forms to make different elements. How the earth obtained these elements, well I really don't know and don't care to look it up.

Jul 13 2005 1:16PM

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Saying that "God" created everything is just an ignorant answer and an easy way to try to understand everything when its pretty much spelled out in science and philosophy. I'm not saying I'm correct, I'm just saying your philosophies that this magical god just pointed his magical penis at some space and splooged out existance as we know it sounds rediculous with any information backing it up.

Jul 13 2005 1:21PM

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religion is just a way for people to have an answer instead of leaving it at "i don't know"

Jul 13 2005 1:32PM

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religion has never done any thing good for human kind, only started war... why this is on NS is beyond me

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Jul 13 2005 1:38PM

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religion has done good. it gives people things to believe when they are at hard parts in their lives. religion isnt all bad even though a lot of it is.
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god was created for people to believe in things like why it rained, why there is thunder, why there is... it just all got to carried away with and now people fight over it.

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Jul 13 2005 1:47PM

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What was it like before you were born? You just werent around, its a hard concept to grasp, but when you die, you just wont be around, most similar to before you were born.

Jul 13 2005 2:37PM

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of course it also sounds rediculous that organisms just existed. i guess when we think about it, all the theories sound rediculous, but one of them has to be true right? or maybe it's even sumthing that noone has even been able to ponder.

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Jul 13 2005 2:45PM

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god. i'll never understand how people can possibly think that "we can't determine the core explanation for life, therefore god must exist" arguement has any logical credibility. we may not be able provide an answer for the basis matter creation, but two hundred years ago we had no understanding of disease. we may not be able to provide an explanation now, but we may be able to in the future. of course somethings are beyond our control, however that doesn't mean for a second that you can sloppily apply some grand sweeping assumption.

i can't explain it, therefore god must exist. its simply ridiculous.

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Jul 13 2005 2:55PM

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^yes, si, oui

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Jul 13 2005 2:56PM

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oops double post,

but u probably didnt want to start ur post with god, haha

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Jul 13 2005 2:58PM

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^what i can't pepper my statements with irony...

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Jul 13 2005 3:05PM

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If their is a god i guess i better start making satans coffee.

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As Carl Sagan has said, â€œIf we say that God has always been, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always been?â€?

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Jul 13 2005 3:32PM

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Remember this thread?

https://newschoolers.com/NS2/Forums/ReadThread.php?cat_id=2&thread_id=45885

Jul 13 2005 3:46PM

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Jul 13 2005 3:52PM

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Salomonman

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"The only possible answer is creation." Really? Well, where did the creator come from, can't just show up, that just wouldn't make sense, would it?

Jul 13 2005 4:04PM

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U're born with two eyes two ears and one mouth, so you should look and listen twice as much as you speak. I don't believe anything I don't see.

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Jul 13 2005 4:16PM

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well fuck, if u think how fucked up our exsistence even is, what the hell r we even here for, but who knows if there is a god or just our little storys to explain the unexlpainable like our existence, but religion has been practiced for as long as humans were around so i hope we havent been worshiping something that is just made for thousands of years

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Jul 13 2005 4:23PM

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if u had two mouths i dont think it'd make much sense.

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Jul 13 2005 4:23PM

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but it has made us have good morals and kept us in line

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Jul 13 2005 4:26PM

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regardless of what you believe I think the worst is jehova, who doesn't celebrate births and fun stuff? F that! the key is treat others how you want to be treated.

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Jul 13 2005 4:31PM

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Basically, people have argued about the existence of God for most of history, and neither side has been able to disprove the other argument. Trying to prove Gods existence is pointless. People dont start believing in God from someone trying to prove it to them, its about that persons own experiences with God and whether they choose to respond to him or not. Basically i myself know that God's existence is so blatent and there couldnt possibly not be a God, but thats due to my experiences. Ive witnessed and been a part of incredible stuff that just shouts in my face that God definatley exists, stuff like disabled people getting up out of their wheelchairs. What im saying is that no matter how hard you try, you cant prove God exists, you make a decision based on what you've seen and experienced. If you havent experienced God, its probably because you havent given him a chance.

Jul 13 2005 4:34PM

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Humans were bred by aliens in an experiment when humans were still apes, kinda like in the movie 2001. We evolved from that and multiplied to infest and slowly destroy the earth. The earth is made up of things that are either natural or man-made. Whatever is man-made is made from nature. We are the only species on the planet that uses our "intelligence" to manipulate and destroy the earth and break the cycle of nature. Man does not belong on this planet. We are all freaks of nature. Wut dyall thinka that?

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Jul 13 2005 4:38PM

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I am a agnostic with atheist tendencies and I completely disagree with that. Some people need that security in their lives. Religion gives people purpose and meaning.

I don't feel the need to have religion in my life thus I don't practice. I'd rather seek truth and live in near nihlsm and see how far the spiral goes than answer my questions with "god works in mysterious ways."

I understand your statement from the perspective that religion has been a facade and a reason that many people in power have used in the past (and present) to justify seemingly wrongful acts. However, religion in itself is NOT inherently incorrect.

It's the misuse and manipulation of the masses and the followers by people in power that construes religion negatively.

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Jul 13 2005 5:26PM

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^well said jack

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Jul 13 2005 5:27PM

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Interesting idea, but if you honestly believe that you're going to eventually run into some problems with your mental health.

I'm not sure I understand your doomsday idea that humans are destined to destroy the earth. The earth is going to be just fine. We're the ones who are going away if the planet collapses. It will purge US from the face of the earth and will revive itself.

Whether or not we come about again, that's a different story all together.

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Jul 13 2005 5:31PM

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^true dat. the earth will still be here but will mother nature? I think humans are like a virus, like what Mr. Smith said in the Matrix. We infest consume and destroy everything in our path. There will be no life left on earth if we don't change our ways and realize the impact we have on our planet. And yes I get really really depressed when I think of all this shit.

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Jul 13 2005 6:01PM

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god totally is real. fuck all of you fuckers

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Jul 13 2005 6:26PM

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You guys should all leave your computers, go somewhere else, get a few years older and a few years smarter and then come back when you're at least 20 and try and have this conversation again, losers...

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Jul 13 2005 6:30PM

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The irony of atheism is uncanting. Athiests deny god's existence, but in order to deny something's existence, you must accept that it exists in the first place!

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