Canadian Election

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This election, NDP won't win, this election sadly, must go to the liberals. I think if the conservative are beaten out this election, they will have a very very hard time recouping, eevrything has been handed to them this election, they SHOULD win it. Not because of their stances, but because events have made certain stances seem favourable to the people. If liberals win, it will be a win for the NDP. Come the election after next, I bet we see many more NDP votes.

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Apr 21 2005 10:41AM

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^^^^ Word, but at all cost the conservatives must not enter parliment, AT ALL COSTS.

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we should put forward a mp one dedicated to urban jibbing

Apr 21 2005 10:59AM

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I have a question, which killed the liberals more: Gomery scandal? or the sponsorship scandal? Or are they the same thing. We always talk about them in my Can. studies class, but I never pay attention.

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Apr 21 2005 11:12AM

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The Gomery Inquiry is looking into the sponsorship scandal

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Apr 21 2005 11:18AM

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or sandalS, haha

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Apr 21 2005 11:19AM

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ahhh kk thanks. It's a good thing we don't have tests on this stuff.

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Apr 21 2005 11:19AM

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shit, by sandals, I meant scandals

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Apr 21 2005 11:23AM

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That's precisely how I feel. Anything but conservative. ANYTHING!

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Apr 21 2005 11:27AM

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bloc du quebecois!

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Apr 21 2005 11:27AM

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Oh I cant wait til the Conservatives do win. I'm going to love it.

I dont really see how you can say that the Conservatives have less of a platform than the Liberals. How do you think the Liberals have been in power for so long? I attribute it to their awesome ability to balance on top of that fence like nobody's business. They try to please everybody and in the process not make any real decisions and just go with the flow. I'd basically say that the Liberals are more of sheep to the U.S than the Conservatives will be. The Conservatives just seem to have many of the same ideals as the states, but subsequently, still have the ability to make their own decisions. It's time for a government to actually lead this country, even if it has to be Green or NDP, because at this point, I'd have more faith in them. And hey, if my predisposed notion of the abilities of the Conservative party is totally wrong, then in 4 yrs, lets have those Libs back.

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Apr 21 2005 1:06PM

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give me an examle of an issue that the liberals have been sitting on the fence about

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Apr 21 2005 1:11PM

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Apr 21 2005 1:13PM

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Oh they eventually come to a decision, but they just like to wait a really long time to do so, and usually after the pressure is off. It's actually a smart tactic, but at the same time transparent.

Missle Defence- whereas they still are pretty much on the fence and trying to appease both sides.

War in Iraq- we dont want to send troops or support you, but just to let you know, you are our close ally. Fortunately, however, as far as not sending troops- this worked in our favour.

Kyoto- who long did it take to finally agree? Well 7 yrs is enough time to decide to waste 10 billion on an accord that is flaud in sooooo many ways. I'm all for saving the environment, but do it our own way. This is just shooting ourselves in the back.

BSE- well this is not so much fence sitting as it is doing a horrible job of resolving a problem.

There are many small issues, but it is undeniable that Canadas world role is minimal at best. This is largely in part due to us sitting back and waiting for others to do something first and then follow suit. It sometimes does work out for the better for us, because everyone Canadians are generally liked globally, but the respect doesnt always seem to follow.

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Apr 21 2005 1:26PM

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with the kyoto protocol it has been said canada will never meet it. we are going to have to buy pollution credits off of other countrys that produce vastly under the amount of total alloted polution.

well, there goes more money into the kyoto program taking away from funds of other things.

Apr 21 2005 2:06PM

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ya man im with u....canadians are better than americans for sure....nothing against u guys

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Apr 21 2005 2:09PM

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On a side note, I should really read over my posts before I actually post so that they make more sense. I guess I'm just playing along with the theme of current Canadian politics.

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Apr 21 2005 6:14PM

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theres too much cosmetics and pastry making going on in politics right now... eh eh?

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Apr 21 2005 6:18PM

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the liberals are the best thing for the economy. having a prime minister who was once minister of finance can only be a good thing

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Apr 21 2005 6:37PM

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I predict... THE END OF CANADA.

Come June, the Conservatives win majority in parliament, the bloc QuÃ©becois gets about 90% of seats in Quebec. Come 2007, the PQ wins provincial Quebec elections. The leader fulfills his promise and holds a referendum less than a year after the election. Stimulated by hate against english Canada for the sponsorship scandal and a hateful Conservative goverment, the YES side wins. Quebec declares independence. We become a shitty country, and so does Canada. Demoted from the G7, end of NAFTA, bla bla, civil war and we all die!

Except for the last sentence, that will all happen. Be afraid.

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Apr 21 2005 8:10PM

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don't forget alberta and BC break off to, so it ends up being ontario and the territories

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Apr 21 2005 8:11PM

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Thats so almost possible it is scarey, Then we will become americans after they invade us for our water

Apr 21 2005 10:48PM

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Apr 21 2005 10:52PM

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I totally see it. After Quebec, Alberta goes, then BC followed by the Maritimes then the territories. Ontario will become the 51st state, but we'll be misrepresented. Everyone will will leave Ontario to live in warmer, more mountainous, moe exciting places in the US (since we'll be US citizens), and the US will use use the province as a source for lumber, water and minerals. Wow. US really wins out on this one.

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Apr 21 2005 10:57PM

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I think liberal voting will pretty much not affect anything, nothing good will happen and not too many bad things will happen, but I still think the conservatives would totally ruin the canadian values and what Canadians have been fighting for years...

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Apr 22 2005 12:17AM

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So in conclusion, voting Liberal will make nothing too good to happen, but nothing too bad to happen either? Yes, well put.

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Apr 22 2005 1:55AM

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There isn't going to be a conservative majority, or likely even a minority. The gap will probably be narrowed, the liberals will lose a few seats in Quebec, everyone else will gain a few, and nothing will get donw again. People in quebec are getting the worst of this because it's being made out to be the freaking apocalypse out there. Wait a week, and we'll have a better idea... the conservatives are polling like motherfuckers right now, but not particularly accurately... has anyone gotten a call from them asking questions phrased to make Martin sound like a criminal? Personally, I enjoy telling them off. They never seem to have much in the way of comebacks.

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Apr 22 2005 2:04AM

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The conservatives are triing to explode the sponsor scandal to kick the liberals out of power. For the first time since 1995 the PM did a adress to the nation to forgive him for the ignorence.If the Canadians got the message, the liberals could grow in popularity because, who REALLY wants a consevative gouvernment?

Responsability,what's that?

Apr 22 2005 9:45AM

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the pm also said he could have swept the whole scandal under the carpet, but didn't...

makes you wonder.

Apr 22 2005 10:16AM

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^It sure does... is it actually possible that a politician is being responsible? Exposing the details of an event that could and has politically harmed him, thanks to vultures like Harper and Duceppe taking any advantage they can get to win a few seats in Quebec (can't blame them, politics is a dirty game)?Taking responsibility for past mistakes, even those of before he became PM? Holding himself partially to blame, despite having no knowledge at the time, and APOLOGIZING? A POLITICIAN is doing this? You're right. What the hell is going on here? This guy actually has some integrity. He's in no way qualified to lead a nation.

Meanwhile, anyone who actually thinks this through will say they'd prefer to hear the results of Gomery before an election happens... would you rather vote on conclusive, finalized determinations, or what we have now? There's just no reason to rush this. The conservatives are against it because they want to strike while the issue is still hot, but on the other hand, how can it hurt them to have 8 months to play this whole thing up? At any rate, I see a hell of a lot more strategic voting happening, even compared to last time... because no NDP and not many Bloc voters want to see Harper as PM. I can't blame them, he's an arrogant, sniveling weasel who I'd be embarassed to have representing me.

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Apr 22 2005 12:33PM

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You know, pictures never used to screw up. Now it's pretty much an even chance.

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Apr 22 2005 12:34PM

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the reason Conservatives have quite a bit of support, its from all of those red neck Canadians from western canada. Steven Harper has huge support in Alberta. But most people will vote liberal in order to keep Harper out.

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Apr 22 2005 12:38PM

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its ur computer settings... some can see it some cant. ive never had a problem

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Apr 22 2005 12:39PM

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how do you make it so you can see them?

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Apr 22 2005 12:42PM

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You sure? I guess it might be my browser, but I can see SOME pictures, just not those. See if these work...

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Apr 22 2005 12:44PM

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OMG that is so true!!!

Responsability,what's that?

Apr 22 2005 12:47PM

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While it may not have been Martin himself, it was his party, and what they did can not be made better by a simple apology. "Oh, sorry we stole your money, we wont do it again."

I can see all the Ontarians now breathing a sigh of relief.

I know that apology did it for me. To whoever stole my wallet in Whistler 2.5 yrs ago, just apologize and its all good. I didnt actually need that money or bank card. I basically hate eating.

Its too little too late, just like the whole Liberal governing policy has ever been. Time to leave fellas. I'll give you your 6 or 8 months, just prepare to get the fuck out.

Yeah, what would a bunch of "Rednecks" know about anything? Stephen is just going to wreck this country and apparently Albertans can't see this. You can give the oil credit if you want, but last I heard there is only one province in the Green. Need a hint who it is?

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Apr 22 2005 12:55PM

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It was a bit of Martin's fault, he didn't know about the program wile he was the finance minister. When he became prime minister, he found this out and shut the program down. He did, infact, promise to give our money back (I don't know how he is gonna do this).
So here is the choice:
Vote for a scandalist gouvernment (liberals) or
vote for a complete capitalist idiot (conservatives) or
vote for somone that doen't really know what's going on (NDP).
Still I am a liberal person, I will vote for Martin.

Responsability,what's that?

Apr 22 2005 1:04PM

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I have difficulty not taking this with a grain of salt, given that you and people like you have basically just been waiting for an excuse to say all of this. When you have a single party dominating politics for as long as the liberals have, it's more or less inevitable that some corruption will occur. That's not an excuse, it's just a problem inherent in the system. When that happens, and the governing body takes responsibility and DOES something about it, I see responsibility and transparent government. Those individuals who are determined to be at fault by Gomery will be held to account, and any money found to be outstanding will be repaid. What else do you want him to do? Oh, that's right... get out of government, so that your party can get in. Right. That's clearly an ethical decision, straight up.

Unfortunately for you, no matter when this election is held, your party is going to be greatly disappointed with the results. I've never seen such misplaced optimism from any political party, ever... I'm not sure whether to attribute it to incompetence, or arrogance. There will be no conservative majority under Harper, ever. He's unelectable to that position. If there's ever a minority, I'll be apalled, and more than a little surprised. At least Joe Clark commanded an ounce of respect.

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Apr 22 2005 2:08PM

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There will be no Majority for the Conservative Party under Harper or anyone else probably for at least 10-20 years. Unfortunately, the Conservative party stands by its policy of being pro-life and anti-gay marriage. Until the old religious or semi-religious nuts leave power I don't see those policies being changed.

In a Conservative Minority though, it is unlikely that any of those policies would be put into place. It would probably depend on how many Bloc Quebecois get in. And yes JD, it does show a lot of integrity for Martin to be investigating this and trying to bring to justice those responsible. However, whether he was directly tied to it or not, probably not I'd agree, he was the fucking Finance Minister when the program was put into place and through the majority of its duration. Ok yeah, hes not the Auditor General, but anyone in finance who just write blank cheques to whatever the fuck he wants is doing a terrible Job.

This country needs a change, and Jay, shit is not going to hit the fan with Health Care being privatized, or Gay Marriage being banned or abortion being illegal. The public outcry would be like nothing you have ever seen in this country. Parts of Health should and probably will be increasingly privatized, but will still be paid with Public Funds. The amoun per capita that Canadians spend on Health Care, and the quality of service we receive for it is pretty shitty compartivaly to Japan, France, Scandinavian countries and more.

And JD, yes corruption in a government who has become so secure in their power and have held that for such a long time is an inherrent problem with the system. But guess what? If we ever want any of these problems changes (like the bullshit appointed-non-representative-old cronies-rubber stamping senate) those changes will only come under a Conservative Government.

I don't know if the Conservative will even get that Minority, by god I hope they do. You never know, Ontario has the unbelievable ability to take it up the ass from the Liberals and forgive them time and time again. I mean 28 billion dollars in transfer payment they never see! Every goddam year! Alberta's pissed out loosing out on their money, and while its a bigger number per captia, it doesn't come close to 28 billion. Imagine what you Ontarians could do with that money if it wasn't being shovelled to Quebec and the Maritimes.

And thats another reason why the country won't break up, they need Ontario money. And as if the those crazy So-Cons in Washington would ever take us. Maybe Alberta, but thats probably a stretch. They only thing that can come from a Conservative government is change for the better, we aren't going to loose our fundamental Canadian values, and hey, with a larger military and a Foreign Affiars Ministry that ranks above Transportation and Indian Affairs, maybe we won't be the laughing stock of the G8.

Peace Out bitches.

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Apr 22 2005 3:07PM

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Please excuse the spelling mistakes. I was rage typing.

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Apr 22 2005 3:08PM

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I'll just say 2 things:

1. It's a fallacy to say argue that we should elect another party simply because it's "Time for a change". Personally, I would consider it a change distinctively for the worse. The majority of the country is of that same mind, and I'm willing to bet you see that split left vote head more towards the liberals out of fear of a consrvative government than towards the NDP out of irritation with the current government.

2. Russia is the laughing stock of the G8. Not us.

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Apr 22 2005 3:22PM

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when did this thread get so serious

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Apr 22 2005 3:28PM

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You're probably right, they probably will go back to the Liberals because they're scared of the Conservatives, and because the NDP isnt strong enough to do anything so won't get the votes. Just because its "Time for a Change" is not enough reason to elect a new government, but its because of that and so many other problems with this country that the Liberals have caused. You don't see many on the surface, but they piss money away to bullshit programs left right and center, compromising important programs like health care.

And Russia's progressive, they're one of 8 countries that has a flat tax. Plus when Russia says something, people listen. While people like what Canada has with its nice standard of living and whatnot, when it comes to listening to us on anything important, everyone dismisses Canada as the little brother who tries to tag alone and play with the big boys, but is hardly ever noticed, and never taken seriously.

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Apr 22 2005 3:31PM

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^ We (Canada) will never be taken seriously. We should probably do away with our military to save money (something Harper is not willing to do). I like our quality of life and the fact is that voting in the conservatives will only serve to hurt our overall quality of life and we'll lose the only thing we are respected for.

Like JD said: sadly the liberals are our only option.

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By lose the only thing we are respected for, do you mean our quality of life? How is that going to get worse when the Health Care system is overhauled, with saving money by outsourcing things like janitorial services and laundry services and using that money to pay for more equipment, doctors, nurses, hey maybe Canadian hospitals will be able to afford orderlies, so the nurses duties aren't so thinly streched.

Tax breaks? Spurring economic growth isn't going to improve our quality of life? And by the way, Canada used to be taken seriously. Remember WWII, we were pretty sweet back then. We can be that we again. Don't scrap the military, in 20 years when the resource wars start, what the fuck are we going to do then? More money for the military will increase our clout in internation relations and we can become in important power.

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