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kootneyskibum
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Whats up with all these park and pipe skiers out there who think they are hot shit cause they can throw down huge tricks in the park, but as soon as you stick em on top of a mountain, they suck ass. I'm so sick of people telling me i suck cause I cant do a backflip. It seems no one cares that I can ski a 50+ degree couloir with a 30 foot drop to get in and out - and still look good But I cant throw a corked 720. The park isnt the only place on the hill my friends, theres a whole wilderness to be explored out there, not confined by ropes and waiting your turn to 'drop in' But oh well, if thats how its gonna be, its fine by me because at least I know that I wont be surrounded by shitty skiers tryin to poach my lines.
Sep 30 2002 4:49PM
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TTflip
Posts: 148 - Karma: 10
I agree. I think there is just more than one way to be a sweet skier. I mean look at guys who telly. They are fucking bad ass. I am all about the park, but I love the big mountain. Were I lack in the park I make up for in the big mountain.
Sep 30 2002 4:56PM
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Sean14456
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i respect all skiers of any form, props to you, i wish i could ski couloirs and sick lines, i give props to racers and all other skiers, regardless of what they do
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Sep 30 2002 4:57PM
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kootneyskibum
Posts: 148 - Karma: 10
good work man. tele is cool to, its so like grace ful and shit. plus there is this guy, i forget his name, whos teles, and he competes in freeskiing challenges against fixed heel skiers. that guy kicks ass!
Sep 30 2002 4:58PM
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Ghost
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Many skiers can't think outside the box.

Alot of mogul racers can't think outside the realm of mogul racing.

The same applies for all types of skiing.

My respect goes out to the big mountain skiiers out there skiing wicked lines and dropping cliffs - just as equally as it goes for you hardocre jibbers, and mogulists.
Sep 30 2002 5:02PM
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Big_Willy
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What, you cant stick a backflip? Shit dont even think about calling yourself 'good' or a 'skier' if you cant do tricks. Man, some people just dont get it.



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Sep 30 2002 5:31PM
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alpentalik
Posts: 7364 - Karma: 110
I agree, but a lot of people don't have access to real terrain.


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Sep 30 2002 5:37PM
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alpentalik
Posts: 7364 - Karma: 110
I agree, but a lot of people don't have access to real terrain.


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Sep 30 2002 5:37PM
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EastCoastPride
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yes, i live in the east, but i ski sick stuff whenever i can, like jay peak, they have some sick OB stuff, and when i skied in italy i did some serious 'off-piste' and it is great, i can't spin more than 540 but i would not hesitate to call myself an above average all-mountain skier.











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Sep 30 2002 5:41PM
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lizziebeth
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Big_Willy, if you're being serious then you're a dumbass. How do you think skiing originated? With people hucking themselves off of kickers? I think not. So think before you say thet're not a 'skier' if they can't land a backflip. If you were being sarcastic, ignore everything I just said.

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Sep 30 2002 5:47PM
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ColoradoFlats
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i agree alpentalik, but I have also seen some dudes that rip in the park that can't make it down the mountain. I also think that if you have no place to practice, since back country skiing is different and takes practice like anything else, that some people, like alpentalik said, would just be fucked in the situation, like I was living back EAST for 13 years. Luckily I was fotunate enough to end up in Colorado, where I get lots of practice at both disciplines, park and mountain.
Sep 30 2002 5:48PM
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alpentalik
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ha, i know a shit load of sick skiers who have never done a backflip/don't do backflips...dave pauls...what?


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Sep 30 2002 5:48PM
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Bougie
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to a point I agree with kootneyskibum, but then I think of the skiers I most admire like McConkey, Morrison and so forth, and I see them doing it all. I would say just have an open mind and except this new breed of skier that has been born (Jibbers). And if they can't respect you for rippin serious line's down gnarly shit, but can't do a back-flip then just forget about them. Would you really want there respect anyway?
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Sep 30 2002 5:51PM
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Krongos
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i agree totally, but a word of advice to the newbies, wait til you have a few more posts before you post threads talking shit to some people


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Sep 30 2002 6:21PM
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ColoradoFlats
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yeah, if you know in your mind that you can rip lines like that, just laugh at any dumb fucks who tell you you can't ski because you can't do a flip...why would you even listen to someone like that anyhow?
Sep 30 2002 6:25PM
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iamnumberone
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i just saw front line the other day and they had some freestyle guys out on the hill... that was good to see. also pollard droped a few good lines in the flying circus last year... obviously seth is at least 700 times tougher than anyone else, but i think maybe some freestyle kids can ski, but it just never gets filmed. especially the kids from tahoe or mammoth.. how can you come up at squaw valley and not know how to ski the entire mountian?
Sep 30 2002 7:08PM
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sirjibsalot
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Park is where it is at...thats all i ski...but guess what? if you through me on top of a mountain i could ski whatever you can ski...big mountain to me is just boring as shit..
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Ill urban jibs is what we do
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Sep 30 2002 7:17PM
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lizziebeth
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wow, did you make that up yourself?

no one will win on this thread.

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Sep 30 2002 8:48PM
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goinbig6
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Yea its kinda a pointless thread that weve gone over a lot.
Sep 30 2002 8:57PM
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1080enemy
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yeah, threads like this pop up at least once a week. if its not big mtn, its racers or snowbladers. how about we all respect each other for pushing him or herself. if someone is working on some killer line in Ak. thats sweet. If they land their first 360 also sweet. even some kid ona farm being towed behind a snowmobile because he has no vertical to hit a kicker he made. peace out and respect each other
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Oct 1 2002 1:10AM
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StriderMG
Posts: 707 - Karma: 10
i like big mountains

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Oct 1 2002 1:25AM
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almoehi
Posts: 86 - Karma: 10
It is very impressive what so called newschoolers can do these days. However, take away the uniform clothing that they blindly all buy because the industry tells them that this will make them cool
and all of a sudden you got a bunch of kids doing somwhat the same old ballet your parents maybe watching when the olympics are on. Hey, there is nothing wrong with hanging out in a park all day long if there is
no real alternative: like in Colorado or Scandinavia. However, you do want to graduate to the big mountains if you get the chance, because that is what skiing is all about. Big verticals. Of course this is nothing you
can practice on your tramp during summer and it takes a much higher degree of maturity and experience than hanging out in the half pipe. Otherwise you are dead body will enter the stastic of avalanche casualties quicker
than you spell newschool. Ultimately halfpipes/parks and all the attitude surrounding it, is trying to be like skateboarders. And no newschool skiers or snowboarders will ever match up to the skaters. The urban
pipes and parks are theirs. The big mountain is ours. So take advantage of it.
If you can do it like Kreitler, Morrison, McConkey, you obviously get the best of both worlds.
Oct 1 2002 4:30AM
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Breeze-J
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I don't know. It's all skiing..so, it's all good.
I love big mountains, but where I live there isn't much opportunities to ski stuff like...so I go to parks instead and try to get same kind of feeling and adrenaline rush from hitting jumps etc. It's practice for 'real' mountains for me in a way.

The one thing still...I just don't get it when somebody says that 'big mountain is boring'. It may be a bit boring to watch in a way (if e.g. same type of lines are showed continiously)..but how come something where you almost shit your pants can be 'boring' really? I'm not dissing anybody here or bragging about scary descents or anything but I get the feeling that people who say something like this haven't really skied stuff that is really 'big mountain', in its original meaning.

And by the way, in many cases even the stuff they show in ski flicks is more just 'freeriding'...For your average skier without guides and filming groups, helis, etc. precautions it is much more difficult to go up to the mountains and ski e.g some steep couloirs. You have to wait for the right conditions, check the avie danger/potential,make decisions, usually climb to the top and analyze snow all the time, maybe turn back if the route appears too icy/rocky/avie dangerous. And when you finally get to the top, the line can be such a challenge (at least for us 'normal' mortals) that the skiing is actually pretty much conservative fall line turning all the time.

This kind of stuff may sound boring to average NS member but it's really quite a challenge if you think it a bit more. It requires at least as much concentration, skill, training and determination as technical freestyle, I would say. (And somehow, when you get a bit older and your bones are sore, this kind of stuff just begins to appeal more and more..:=)

OK, just my thoughts. Hope my english isn't too bad...(not native speaker).

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Oct 1 2002 4:57AM
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Breeze-J
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PS. Almoehi - funny that you posted your reply almost same time as mine... and pretty much the same content. Have to say I totally agree with you!

Oct 1 2002 5:05AM
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AppSkier
Posts: 4797 - Karma: 86
maybe they are from the east coast and dont get to ski big mountain.


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Oct 1 2002 4:31PM
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ESB
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I dig what Almoehi said.

And like him, I'd like to draw the same comparison to skating. Park skating is where you learn to do tricks consistently and where there is a wide range of available features. But the street is where the options are truly unlimited, and that's where you seperate the good from the best: when they take what they've learned in the park and apply it in the steep and the deep. Maybe I'm prejudiced because I don't have a sweet park to ride every day, but as for me I'd much rather shit myself happily above a triple-black rockhole off Challenger at Big Sky than above a 50-foot booter at Whistler.

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Oct 1 2002 10:15PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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big mountain skiers are just as anal as park rats. it takes skills to do shit in both places. but you really can see that your a step above average when you can incorperate park tricks in the mountains. not just a booter, but i mean an actual line. Like Mike D in Happy Dayz. If you can do that shit, then you know you are pro. As far as i'm concerned there are super good park skiers and there are super good big mountain skiers, but you gotta be good a t both to be pro.

Jeremey Nobis's attitude towards jibbing in freeze was really retarded. What gives him the right to rag on park skiers, he couldn't slide a rail with style, or through a cork 7 if his life depended on it. But Jibbers are sayn the same shit about Big Mountain skiers all the time.

Its guys like Seth, McConkey, McMurray, Douglas, Szocs, Tanner, CR, the LINE team, and I am sure there are more who are progressing the sport to new heights. You don't see to much stuff on Tanner skiing Big Mountain, but he can do it good, just watch 13, he's amazing. Just like Skogen showed up the Big Mountain community when he was able to incorperate tricks into his big mountain lines after two runs in AK. both Big Mountain, and Park are two different aspects of skiing, and you can be good at either or, but as you can see in recent movies that the whoel skiing community is being shifted out of the park and into the bigmountain, yet took the park into the big mountain, if that made anysense. its all about the taking park tricks into the Mountains.
Oct 1 2002 11:11PM
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Whistlermann
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Yeah, It's all about doing it in both places... but most people here are park rats hence 'newschoolers' not 'bigmountainers'

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Oct 1 2002 11:17PM
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Dirty
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being a good skier doesnt only mean skiing big mountain, or only skiing park. being a good skier is being able to handle any terrain in your way.

a good skier is someone who will go out and rip a bump line, then go ski 50 mph down 1400 vert, off of rocks, getting hectic. stopping in the trees to light trees, then skiing down to the park, dropping in wit mad steez into flowing park tricks switch regular, whatever. and then going onto the deck and getting a beer at the bar, and pimpin on mad chicks while chillin in the sun.

all of these things need to be present to truly be a good skier.

so before you go spouting off about skiing your 50degree chutes, or about the cork 9 you just busted on the big kicker, look at the bigger picture.

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Oct 2 2002 12:17AM
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mmm4twintips
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B.C. and Park skiing are comming together when i see huge lincons off cliffs and everybody hitting B.C. kickers now as well as throwing crazy shit of 50 60 ft drops.

I have to give props to true B.C. skiers who go out of bounds and ski alaska bc at whistler jackson and all those crazy places.

But i dont consider skiing the top of a mountain that big of a feat lets say for instance mammoth.
Yea u got to be good but skiing all those other places i mentioned before is in a league of its own.

As for true big mtn and any technical skiing it is a lot harder than going big in the park.

The reason i say it is because i have seen guys who can throw all kinds of crazy tricks on skis only skiing 1 or 2 years.

Show me a big mtn. skier who can rip of B.C. after only skiing a year.

It takes longer.

thats all i got to say dont know if it makes any sence but oh well!!
Oct 2 2002 12:38AM
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kootneyskibum
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I agree with the guy who said somethin about being good everywhere. Its one thing to rock up the park, but then ski like a fuckin monkey on crack headin back down to the lift. its also another to fuckin rip like a world cup racer and then eat shit on some little ass jump. what im tryin to say is that too many young new skiers are all caught up in the movie/magazine world of parknpipe riding, and not enough are getting excited about the rest of the hill. Its understandable about you kids out east, its just your dumb luck to be stuck skiing on peoples pre-war garbage piles. but for all us western skiers, the park makes up less than 1% of the mountian-go explore. you dont gotta leave the boundaries even. look at the Peak or Harmony chair at Whistler, or my personal favourite, Red Mountain. the entire hill is hundreds of lines just waiting to be raped. its fuckin sweet.. oh yea BIG WILLY(obviously your a little insucure with your manhood) I guarantee if I put you a the top of a mountian just big ehough to stand on youf piss your pants before your ever stepped off the edge. Ill be waiting at the bottmom!
Oct 2 2002 2:12PM
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mammothpunks
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you dissin the top of mammoth? you obviously dont know where to go

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Oct 2 2002 2:26PM
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kootneyskibum
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Ive never skied mammoth. I gotta couple friends who work there. but they have too many stories of wet snow and huge crowds. Ill stick to my champange pow and undercrowded hills, thank you very much
Oct 2 2002 2:31PM
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mammothpunks
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ive lived and skied here for 15 years. i should know more about the mountain than your friends

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Oct 2 2002 3:38PM
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calgaryrider
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stop being such coons. throwing a tough trick in a park isn't half as intimidating as dropping a 50 footer. the real talent is being able to link tricks into a big mountain run, or off of cliffs.
Oct 2 2002 4:52PM
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SwitchMisty540
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word to 1080enemy. well said. props to the guy that started this thread cuz he wasnt hating against nobody, he was just asking for little respect cuz he aint a park skier.
Oct 2 2002 5:37PM
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snipes2002
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You are the man!!! I can't understand these park rats either. I say learn to ski then learn to do gymnastics on snow. Big Mountain skiers don't get nearly enough props well with the exception of Seth. What is with all that rap music in ski videos today? That shit sucks.
Oct 3 2002 5:07PM
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