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hollygrove
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I need new skis next year. Yeah, that's right. So lets get down to the basics.


-6'1
-155 pounds ( yeah, I'm skinny, I know)
-Agressive all-mountain skier.
-60% all-mountain
-20% powder ( 15 cms fresh and up)
-10% park/playing around.

I currently am riding 04/05 Scratch B.C's  in 176 and 06/07 Nordica Blowers in 185. As you can probably guess, I'm looking for a replacement for the Scratch. My Blowers will be perfect for the big days and the soft days. What I'm looking for is a ski that will be stable underfoot, I don't liek a noodle, and soemthing that will be soemwhat easy to trick on but also venture off into various snow types and such. I found my Scratchs to be a COMPLETE noodle, although they are way to small and the core is probably messed up.

I'm currently thinking of three skis:
Surface Watch Life 181
Scott P3 184
Scott Punisher 182

As a side note, I am QUITE fond of Surface and would prefer to end up on those, but I could probably get the Scotts for cheaper AND I wouldn't have to get them shipped to me. I just want to know if the Surface's are worth it.

So please, anythign regarding any of these skis, or any other recomandations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.
Apr 5 2007 10:08PM
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C-Burg
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thank you for making one of these threads that actually gives us all of the info we need
Apr 5 2007 10:11PM
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Uncle_Remus
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you could try lines chronic blend and or the prophet series for stiff wide skis that can be taken to the park.
Apr 5 2007 10:11PM
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rudager
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if you go with line, get the chronic series
i found my prophets weak in park. i can do boxes, but i dont.
i know someone that has the blends though, i havent seen him in park, but he's a good jibber on them.
i'd say the prophets are good for everything but park.
Apr 5 2007 10:32PM
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hollygrove
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Chronics are only in 179.
Therefore, that shit aint ballin
Apr 5 2007 11:06PM
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Uncle_Remus
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cuz 2 cm will totally fuck your life
Apr 5 2007 11:19PM
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hollygrove
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ease up boy-o
i know its only who cm's but i want to mount furthor forward, therefore i'll take everythign i can get.
Apr 5 2007 11:32PM
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ijibgoremtn
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its to bad you dont like soft skis id recomend like maidens or sfb's but anyways check chronic blends or wides maybe not sure on size but they both probably come in 179-181 maybe even look into PE's they are great for all around skiing including park and they are still pretty stiff cuz you like a stiffer ski
Apr 5 2007 11:33PM
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fouldsys
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185 karma?
Apr 5 2007 11:45PM
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hollygrove
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trop de money.
i'm kind of broke.
Apr 5 2007 11:56PM
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Vicious
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184 Squad? You probably want a twin though...
Apr 6 2007 12:25AM
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rudager
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Big troubles, there not that big, like 92 in the waist( like your scratch's i think) i rode the 176, stiffer than my prophets but fun
Apr 6 2007 12:26AM
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*Koolaid*
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187 chronic wides? they have a pretty stable underfoot, not 2 stiff not 2 soft, and they can rip it pretty much anywhere....dunno tho, just a thought
Apr 6 2007 12:33AM
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hollygrove
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Hahaha, unfortunatly yes, if i wasn't goign for a twin I'd be able to pick up a pair of Legend Pro's for cheap too.

and mason, I like teh big trouble, got to ride 'em for a month last year in 186, but they arnt quite what I'm looking for.

Chronic Wide in longer sizes intrigues me, but just as a reminder, any insight on the three skis that i was looking at would be GREATLY appreciated.

Apr 6 2007 1:09AM
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rudager
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ok.
i havent tried any of those
i'd buy the punishers if anyone really has a review
im about the same size of graeme

theres also that guy sellin them surface skis at 181
Apr 6 2007 1:13AM
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hollygrove
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bump for a new day
Apr 6 2007 12:24PM
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ikellen
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I see a problem here....you're asking for recommendations for a new ski, yet you shoot down every suggestion. If all you wanted was opinions on the three skis you mentioned, then center your thread around that, NOT trying to elicit additional recommendations.

If you find the Scratch BC's very noodley, I would seriously think about if you really need a twin-tip or not. There are not many stiff twins out there, and you already shot down the Volkl Karma, which would have been my suggestion.

Also, if you already have the blowers, why are you looking for 20% powder usage in this ski?

It sounds like you need to work out your priorities. Here are some facts of like:

1. If you want a ski that will perform in the park, it will be anywhere from kinda soft to really soft. Park skis are soft. They don't usually do super well out of the park.

2. If you want a ski that will rip up the entire mountain, it will probably not be a twin tip. It will be stiffer, but it will not do so well in the park. There are some skis that are pretty good all mountain but still do OK in the park. Some examples of this are the K2 Seth, the Scratch BC, Nordica Enforcer, etc. The way they accomplish this is by being softer and heavier, while still being twins. They will be harder to spin in the park, and won't be as poppy.

3. Park skis are generally skinnier so they spin easier and do better in the pipe. This also makes them lighter, and they need less material to manufacture. However, this makes them less stable at speed, and softer. Because of this, they tend to get tossed around in variable snow.

Take this into mind, then come back to us with a REAL idea of what you are looking for.
Apr 6 2007 12:55PM
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FUUUCK
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blends are perfect for you, especially if theyre coming out in a bigger size next year.

i have the 179 and im 25 pounds heavier than you, very light, stiff, stable. great on hard pack and crud. i did my CSIA level 2 on them.

they arent pow specific, but you already have he blower right
Apr 6 2007 5:09PM
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bda10889
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you Should consider a High Society Freeride 179 or 187

the 179 is 124/92/114 

the 187 is 136/104/126

the skis are pretty stiff and have some serious POP.

check them out.
Apr 6 2007 5:13PM
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00000000
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4frnt msp supermodel 180...which i happen to be selling with some axial 14's
Apr 6 2007 5:22PM
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Love_Wins.
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Those are a good choice...or the Chroic wide in a 187.
Apr 6 2007 6:46PM
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shoenice22
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179 movement kamusutras
Apr 6 2007 7:27PM
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skiRay
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179 PEs or karmas
Apr 6 2007 7:34PM
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Silence
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volkl karma/the wall
Apr 6 2007 7:36PM
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hollygrove
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Uhmm thank you? I definatly did not base my thread about different suggestions, mainly for opinions on the three skis that I'm thinking about, and ALSO other skis. Just people have been giving me recommendations. ANd yes, I'm aware of the kind of ski I'm looking for, but you brought up a good point, maybe i didnt write my thread proporly. I was listing the kind of skiing I do, not what i was hoping for this ski to do. I have my blowers fo most of what I ski. SO let me re-write this:

I'm looking for a new ski that will be able to do everythign my Blowers DON'T already have covered. And I want something not quite as noodly as my Scratch, keep in mind, these were BEFORE they re-did them. The BC's are alot stiffer now.

STill considering the three skis I mentioned before, but also the Blend if it is coming in 187 next year and do a centre mount for that.
Apr 6 2007 7:44PM
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Love_Wins.
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Haven't ridden them, but the topsheet is titties, literally. Sooo, they have that going for them.
Apr 6 2007 7:57PM
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eheath
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Ever thought about getting the new BCs, in 182?
Apr 6 2007 8:01PM
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Triple_Strum
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I had never ridden the Watch Lifes, but flexed my buddies and they seem SICK. They were like 87 underfoot which is perfect for decent width but good handling. The flex on them seemed extremely ideal, somewhat like the ar6, but not as stiff as a karma. Again, never ridden them, but based on the construction, dimensions, and flex I would want to use them as my on-piste all-around ski. Good luck!
Apr 6 2007 8:10PM
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hollygrove
Posts: 7845 - Karma: 93
Thank you Triple_Strum. Thats soemthign I was looking for.
ANyone who has skied the P3, or gotten a chance to demo the Punisher, I would greatly appreciate anythign you have to say.
Apr 6 2007 10:02PM
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snowXrider540
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i know this is the opposite you want...but seths are the shit. yeah they are soft, but any ski that you want for some park like you said, will be soft. they rip it all mountain, really aggressive ski and kill in the powder as im sure you know...ive never skied the 3 skis you mentioned so i dont want to give you any false advice...sorry

Apr 6 2007 10:35PM
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Love_Wins.
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Dude, perfect deal for you, buy J.D. May's 187 Chronic Wides...he needs the cash for a good cause and you need skis...perfect match, plus they are mad cheap.

https://newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/290981/
Apr 6 2007 11:04PM
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powfoka
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i am personally fond of my surfaces i have ridde nnext years scotts and would definately rule out the p3 the punisher is quite a bit softer than the surfaces and a bit more of a directional ski it does handle the crud a bit better than the surface watch lifes but isnt as poppy nor does it hold an edge as well the surfaces are going to be a really fun turning ski that are perfect in the park and are stable everywhere the punisher is going to be more of your directional crud and softer snow ski doesent turn as well is not very poppy but does ski the crud better
Apr 7 2007 3:35AM
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Love_Wins.
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Punctuate much?
Apr 7 2007 4:44AM
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Love_Wins.
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I'm post-whoring this fuckin' thread to death, oh well...slow day.
Check here though, this guy might still have these for sale:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=54943
Apr 7 2007 4:48AM
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Love_Wins.
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Another find I thought you might be interested in, he's taking offers.

http://forums.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82069
Apr 8 2007 5:13AM
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