The watch lifes are pretty hard to argue with for the price you pay, they perform very decently and don't hold you back at all which in my opinion is the most important thing about a ski.
I felt that these skis could do everything I asked of them pretty much, they can handle all but the deepest snow given their ok sized waist (90ish) and crud doesn't slow them down due to the stiffness of the ski. The only real problems I had were my edges taking a long time to detune under foot making me catch my edges on a few rails. This wasn't really a big problem since they were durable, but they did take longer to feel right than my other skis. The only other issue was having to lean back quite a lot when in pow, but you can't really blame the ski for that given that its a park/all mountain ski.
The topsheets on these skis were gorgeous, the design is total surface and they just look good. The issue arises though in the durability of the topsheet, these skis do not like to touch eachother and you can tell easily since there is a lot of graphic and material rubbed off of the inside of each ski, I feel like it may have something to do with the cap topsheets, they switched to sandwich for 08/09 so hopefully that is sorted out.
I bought these skis at jibij for $350 and they held up fantastically except for the topsheets, after about 40 days the bases and edges are pretty much damage free despite heavy park riding. Definitely a good buy, although they are upping prices next season.
I ride 183's and they are pretty well sized, I mounted at recommended which is a few cm's back from center and thats worked fine everywhere from the park to some waist deep pow.
These skis are stiff, good and bad comes with that. On the bad side, butters are noticeably tougher than on my other skis (Armada AR5's, BH Districts) and require a little more commitment which makes the skis seem a little less playful. On the flip side though, these skis rail and are super stable feeling. They handle jumps really really well and also have great pop from the stiffness. I didn't notice much difference from front or rear flex which is fine by me as I spend a lot of time going switch and these skis handle that really well.
The skis held up great, no gashes in the bases or edge cracks to be found. Topsheets got a little rough as said before though. Flex is still great too.
I cant stress if enough, these are my new favorite park skis. Best value of any ski I have purchased, go out and demo a pair, you wont regret it.
These skis performed great, skiing switch on a ski that is +2cm from center is amazing. Quite possibly the best switch skiing ski i have been on. Not only were these skis great in the park, they also performed without complaints out of the park and the glades and some bumbs. The skis are mounted foward so you cant expect them to rip through bumps, but they were still enjoyable.Â
This is the lightest ski set up i have had. Normally im on fks155s which weigh any ski down, but I decided to give the dukes a try and they are great, a few pre-releases, but i crancked the din up a little and the problem was solved. The cap constructiong is great, the topsheets don't peel and it makes the ski so much more affordable. I thought i would have destroyed the side cut with my skis mounted so far foward, but i was pleasantly suprised.
Im never spending over 350 on a pair of park skis again. These are my new favorite park skis and I believe i will be sticking with Surface for a while.
I got the 183s and im 5' 11". They are a perfect fit for me.
these skis have a really nice flex pattern, i have them mounted 2cm foward of true center and they are great, the tips are nice and soft, gret for butters, nose blocks, everything. The tails on the other hand are nice and stiff, great for jumps, and really poppy.
The cap construction is great, the side walls dont chip at all. Bases are durable to, hit a few rocks in the glades, but no biggy, not one mark on my bases. The edges look pretty beefy, no edge cracks so far, but i wouldnt expect that after two days of riding anyways.
ill let you know when i ski them in a couple weeks
i really like the look and feel of the skis. overall it gives a solid burley feel and seems durable. the desing i realyl like. once you look up close at it it reminds me of a painting its so detailed and a different design the what u would regularly see.
amazing deal for it. i got it off jibij for 350
i got 171's and perfect size for me
a solid flex perfect for all mtn skiing. I can compare it to much friends public enemies and my old foils. it is probably somewhere in between the two skis prob closer to the pe's. its pretty stiff by feel but i havent skied them yet so who knows.