picked these up on the cheap as a earn my turns and ski with broken heels so my girl can keep up ski. This is the precarbon version but its fairly very light for a >100 mm waist ski. The internet says there is a an early rise in the tip but i don't see it. There is a shocking amount of camber in this ski. At a level that is almost comparable to XC skis. This camber has seemed to have its pros and cons depending on the day and location they are skied. Its also quite stiff which teamed with the camber makes it poppy with a lot of edge hold and fun. They are not my favorite skis but fill the tourists are driving me crazy and i need a walkabout nitch in my quiver nicely.