How To Suck At Your Religion

Just saw this, so on point.

I dont see this thread going well, but i'll get the point in before its lost in argument: the oatmeal is awesome.

Hey congrats on the green name. That probably happened a while ago, but iv been gone...Anyhow, good job on mod status

Hey congrats on the green name. That probably happened a while ago, but iv been gone...Anyhow, good job on mod status

hahaha, so far this is great.

"Theres no such thing as a door-to-door Jew."

that was my favorite panel. hahahahha

"every time someone has homosexual intercourse, God punishes us by letting Nickleback release"

Links or it didn't happen

another album"

I lost at this. But seriously, theoatmeal releases such horribly true things that you can't help but laugh at society.

The enforcing dogma thing is just plain false. Sure, some people are probably brainwashed into a closed-minded worldview, but MANY people choose to become Christians on their own after reading the Bible. Also there are many different interpretations on how much of a role God played in creating the universe, so don't just throw away the entire thing just b/c some Christians totally ignore modern science.
I realize they are referring to religion in general in the comic, but they seem to be mainly bashing on Christians.

lol to the sex education chalkboard...haha fuckin nickelbacks coming for the sinners

I feel like this is regurgitated shit that Trey Parker and Matt Stone have gone over multiple times in South Park. I'm high as shit right now and didn't laugh a single time at the entirety of that page.

False? Actually it's fucking true. Yes some sad ignorant people read the bible because there life sucks and dive into the hope of anything and a special purpose for their life. That's true, but MOST people believe religion because it was forced into them as a child. That's the truth.

It's a comic. He could have said specifically what's in the bible and it still would have held it's point.

It's the religion most people here relate to and so it makes the most sense to base it off of that. The concept is a general one and can apply to any religions or ways of bringing up kids.


Honestly it was one of the most spot on things I've ever read. Even dove into the fact that people on both sides vote for candidates for retarded reasons these days. I want to shake his hand someday.

I remember in church being taught about how christianity can be offensive, and how that's a good thing. I actually understand what they were getting at and I'm not knocking it THAT much. If that's what you believe, I can understand sticking with it and not wanting to bend to fit everything around you and end up conforming and losing your original principles. That will end up offending people that aren't on the same page.

At the same time, reality can be offensive too. But the funny thing about reality is it's fucking true, and it makes it that much better when people get offended by real life.

I respect your opinion on this, (and do agree with you to some degree) however I don't understand why many people are so hostile and toward the idea of a god, and act like anyone who takes part in a religion MUST be either brainwashed, or an idiot.

Not trying to put words in your mouth or anything, its just a view that I have noticed a lot of on NS in particular.

i hear you, although i would argue that an idiot is someone who acts irrationally and without consulting logic. if someone take a step back and thinks critically about their religion for about 5 minutes, they'd probably see that there is not one single reason to believe in it other than that they were told to believe in it. that doesnt necessarily make it wrong to believe, as long as the believer acknowledged that it is illogical.

What religion are you referring to here?

There are many people who, having no prior believe in the supernatural, have done just that with the bible. Many have tore into the bible in an attempt to disprove its theology, historicity, etc. and have emerged as believers.

I am not trying to force my beliefs upon you guys, but just please have a little bit more of an open mind toward Christianity and don't just label all Christians as ignorant idiots or brainwashed.

*belief

As someone that went to church every week sometimes twice a week from just after birth to 14 years old. And still went almost every sunday till 16. I've been there. I've been to many different churches. I've read a large chunk of the bible(maybe all of it) and read many sections many times. I've studied it pondered it, sang about it, prayed about it.


Honestly put in the effort. I put in the effort to get that relationship with jesus. I tried. I mean fuck, I was going to hell if I didn't so I did my best and I think a stellar effort but nothing. In that time I encountered some of the most fake people I've ever seen(I can't stand fake people) Everyone putting on a face for church, judging other people incredibly hard, then continuing on their fucked lives.

As a person that actively supports critical thinking/expanding ones mind, I think it's pretty retarded to put a cap on it and think you "know" things you can't know.

I didn't seek out to prove christianity wrong. I actually tried to prove it right. I went off on a quest to question everything that I thought was real, completely challenge my reality. To either find out truth, if what I believed was false, or find some damn good support and proof of my original beliefs. It actually hurt me a little every step I moved away from religion. I wasn't trying to go in that direction but that was the path of logic and I'd be a fool to say fuck logic to stay in my own preconceived bubble world. Why would I want to go against everything my life had been based around, move away from my entire family(The whole fucking familiy is religious)I didn't. It just would have been stupid to turn my back on reason and try to go back to believing something I couldn't find any solid basis for.


Also. Most religious folk tend to frown on homosexuality. Actually that was putting it far to nicely. Most hate it, judge it, straight up condemn it, send money to stop progress, bash it, cry about it, and I could go on. Why the fuck would I want to support that. Whatever happened to "judge not lest ye be judged". I don't see it in the church anyway. Then you've got a fuck ton of churches preaching that gay people are going to hell unless they "change" magically become heterosexual, start a family, pop out 12 kids, and drill religion into the heads of all of them. What a great religion. Interested where you and some of the other religious ones on ns stand on that issue.


Then just looking at the bible piece by piece. Some of that shit makes no fucking sense what so ever. Also if you're a christian, most churches teach that you either believe it or you don't, you can't pick and choose, and I agree with that. Funny that they say that and then go out and pick and choose versus to justify hate on certain things.


Some people argue that you need religion to instill good morals. I'm nothing close to religious in terms of the organized religions, and I feel I have far better morals than most of those people. Especially the hypochristians. I see more love for other humans, respect, helping, general acts of kindness to strangers, in one festival than I encountered in all the churches I've ever been too. To me that says a lot. Preach one thing, talk about kindness, not judging, and other stuff, then go do the opposite.


Religion is like a giant blinder to logic. If you're convinced it's real, literally nothing anyone says will be able to impact you. Actually the more logical their points, the more it will harder your shell. That's all you have. Bursting somebody's bubble with facts is almost impossible. They have to be looking for the answers. If they're convinced they've found them, there isn't much you can do until there mind set changes.


Why the fuck would I support putting kids into a bubble of ignorance that in many places also comes with an extra side of hate, tell them they're going to hell if they ever question it. I'd be a real winning parent if I did that.

The problem with religion is that it's perpetual. I have a few kids and drill religion into their heads, maybe one is smart enough to break away but the others aren't, they have kids, they drill religion into their heads, and the cycle continues.

The reason why your religion makes sense and the other religions(and lack of religions) seem ridiculous, is not that you've found the truth in life, but that you're unable to look at the situation objectively. That's why you find it so shocking that other people believe in other religions yet can see no flaws in your own religion. It's just the perspective you're taking into it.

To answer

"act like anyone who takes part in a religion MUST be either brainwashed, or an idiot. "

Basically I've seen the cycle, I know how it operates, I've been in the churches, sunday school, vbs, christian music festivals, and I was there once. I was a victim of brainwashing thanks to my parents, pastors, others.

I had to go through a lot of shit to break out of that. Would have been nice if I hadn't been thrown in that box to begin with. Sad that many people never break out of that box. Also sad to see my sister starting the cycle again with her kid.


So yeah. Maybe it comes off as a little offensive and though I tried to tone that aspect down a little I don't really care. What I'm trying to say is kind of offensive if you're in that group, and there's no way around it. At the same time, that group has been sending hate my way forever so I couldn't give two fucks.


flame on internet.


/nothing was accomplished here.


http://www.seismologik.com/journal/2010/12/13/how-our-brains-threaten-democracy-the-logic-behind-self-delu.html


^ Good article regarding the situation more on a political level but the same problems associated with ignorance.

thanks. Decided to drop one good post in here before I descend into wutville

Doesn't the fact that judaism doesn't let other people in without a long initiation process make it a cult or a club and not a religion?

Yeah. Not sure what the deal is with that. Josh Mcdowell and a few other I've heard speak several times are in that boat. I think they just sucked at logic. Or deep in their hearts were searching for that and just pieced together the puzzle to fit that need. Idk.


I do know that for me it was the opposite. Tried to prove it was real and it took me farther away.


I actually have the chance to go see some renowned christian speakers this summer. I might hit them up and take notes and point out there flaws. Actually that's too much effort and world require sitting through more of that bs so I'm good.

this is hilarious. guess it was only a matter of time before this thread became a religious shitstorm though

Because this video belongs in every thread on religion:

Such beauty!

Hahahaha the most epic thing I've seen in a while!!!

thoroughly enjoyed good post OP

hahahaha oh my god this made my day.
favorite section:

I like that a lot

I'll be blunt. If there is a God or creator of some type and I'm a good person, I'll go to heaven or whatever it is. Why do I need to suck his cock every Sunday to enter heaven? Many religious people (not just Christians) suck his long, rock hard cock, then proceed to cheat on him by having premarital sex, getting high, getting intoxicated, swearing, and bullying. However, while everyone is worshipping/at church, I'm out enjoying the fruits of god's labor, such as the Sierra Nevadas, the Pacific Ocean, Mammoth Lakes hot springs, my brain, and everything else he "created."

And here's this, maybe it has some insight for some of you.
Macklemore X Ryan Lewis - Same Love feat. Mary Lambert by Macklemore & Ryan Lewis

Tell your priest you think "Heaven" sounds like a really crowded place. Mention how you did your research as a 12-13 year old and you have one question?

im playing nuetral party on these arguments, but to be honest when i read the last part of that comic thing it seems like you guys attack christianity alot more, rather than visa versa.

The article was brilliant and humorous.

Oh hey, another thread about religion!!!!!!

Ahaha, good find.

wut? Your church booted you?

I think the trick is not thinking about one's religion, but what religion sets out to achieve.

I must say, your misuse of language is absolutely astonishing.
Illogical?
Thinking critically?
Logic?
reason to believe?


I would expect one to have some grasp of epistomelgy, logic, and reasoning before discussing ontology.

@k_m (can't quote on mobile). I share the same views, that is a great quote, it's good to see some NS members that are intelligent.

The ending ruined it for me... Standard cookie cutter materialist/nihilistic rhetoric crap.

I guess some panels were ok though

Yes. they booted me from Confirmation. They said I missed too many days... I missed 3-5 classes all year. I also had CCD shoved down my throat before that!!

this. when i was little my parents made me go to CCD because they did it and my grandparents did and yada yada....

What is CCD?

I guess i'm going to have to step in here awkwardly as an agnostic in defence of religion. I believe the most important and fundamental foundation of this discussion is the freedom of religion and belief. Now i'm not at all saying you'd disagree with me in the following- but i'll just say everyone has the freedom to think and believe as they will. That freedom should in itself be free from scrutiny or persecution for the benefit of society as a whole.

On a strictly logical basis I agree with the majority here: religion is generally a load of crap. It strives to teach good morals in many cases but the lengths it goes to in indoctrinating and 'teaching' its followers is wholly rediculous and outdated. Not to mention many of its basic stories and principles, when taken literally, are ludicrous.

That being said, my opinion is that logic and religion mesh together like oil and water. You just cannot pour them into the same glass and hope to find a medium- and thats OK. There's nothing wrong with that. Just as some agnostics may assert that people with religious beliefs are too removed from logic to see the nonsense in what their saying I would say many agnostics are themselves too removed from the idea of faith to fully come to terms with the benefit of it. -and that word is the key. The essence of all religion is captured in five letters, faith. Faith by defenition is the conviction that something is true or will happen even with the absense of correlating evidence. Where logic relies on evidence by neccesity you can see how the two, thus reduced, are incompatible.

'Blind' faith can be dangerous when found in some and it can be beautiful for others. Strict logic as beneficial as it is for most, can also be damning for others. Though it is beginning to change, humans for centuries have adapted one form of faith or another. some have argued it is in our genetics to do so. Whether this is true or not faith and logic are bedfellows in the human makeup and to ignore or brush off faith entirely is to be no better than the religious nuts who defy all forms of reasoning.

This is just a bit of my view, if anyone cares to discuss feel free to PM. I like these little thought excercises.

threads for ammo to use when I argue with people on the subject

what a novel statement.

Okay Trotsky, read it agian:

"Does [religion] help you cope with the fact that you are bag of meat sitting on a rock in outerspace and that someday you will die, and you are completely powerless, helpless, and insignificant in the wake of this beautiful cosmic shitstorm we call existence?

How is that not materialistic nihilism rhetoric?