Xbox 360 vs. ps3

Xbox 360 will have wireless controllers, currently i believe it is only 2 player system, but they might change that before the release i believe. Xbox 360 will be like a current modded xbox with enhanced graphics and speeds obviously. it has a menu where you can play music, watch videos, and do anything with media basiaclly. i think its going to cost $249-299

PS3 is going to be 20 times more powerful than PS2 i beleive. its going to be the most expensive gaming system to hit the markets ever at $449. basically you looking at game type and what layout you like more. I havent checked up on the systems lately so some things might have cahnged but as of a few months ago these were the stats



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The xbox 360 will be out first and be cheaper. The PS3 will be out later be more expensive but be more powerful.

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Halo 3, thats it, end of story. final.

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Honestly, who throws a shoe?

I'm a mac user so it would be against everything I ever stood for to buy something for microsoft, so i'll buy the ps3 a year after it's release.

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Honestly, who throws a shoe?

xbox 360 all the way..youll be able to play on live for free...tehres 3 processors in it, with a specially built graphics card..its gonna be intense, up to 4 wireless controllers and 2 wired...you can plug in your ipod and upload your music in your xbox...itll be cheap...itll come with a webcam and a mic to for video chatting...man, its gonna be the best...and MacIntosh is building the processors for it...lol
no way PS3 is gonna be better...especially pricewise

yeah was about to say that unless they do some major things before its released ampt 3 wont be as good as everyone hoped

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"most of the time, majority is wrong"- punk_rider

i was also talking to some guys about it at best buy. apparently there will be two versions.

the higher end and much more expensive model will be around $400-600. it will have an extra harddrive (or a bigger one) so when you rent/borrow games from your friends you can just copy the game onto the hard-drive and play it whenever you want without the disk. the smaller one will work just like the current xbox (as in, you play off the disk). also like stated before, it will have wireless controllers, you will beable to play xbox live for free (and your always connected). in addition to all that, it will pretty much replace your entire home-entertainment system. being able to play CDs/DVDs/Games as well as being able to connect to all surroundsound systems (which all that isnt that much different from the current xbox).

i havent read much on the ps3, but ill get an 360 over a ps3 anyday (mainly because i like xbox games way better then ps games). i just hope they dont ruin amped 3, like the article said (read my sig).

as a side note, i read somewhere that the new nintendo system will beable to play any previous game made by nintendo (from any system, although im not sure how that would work).

"I got this sick sticker from K2 for $300 came with free skis" ~t-man152
"Ninjas fly out of your butt. We're not kidding."~some article on amped3

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Microsoft Announces Xbox 360 Price for Canada: Starts at $399.99 CDN
Feature-packed system brings high-definition gaming to the masses this holiday season.

Toronto, ON — Aug. 17, 2005 — Ending weeks of speculation about which upcoming video game platform will give gamers the most bang for their buck, today at the German Games Convention, Microsoft Corp. revealed that consumers can get their hands on Xbox 360™ — the most powerful and feature-packed next-generation video game and entertainment system — for as little as $399.99 CDN starting this holiday season. For gamers who want to experience the ultimate digital entertainment thrill ride, Microsoft also announced a model with hundreds of dollars worth of accessories for $499.99 CDN, giving consumers the definitive entertainment experience at an unbelievable value right out of the box.

The Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 Core System — along with an impressive lineup of high-definition game titles from the world’s best publishers and developers — will make their debut in North America, Europe and Japan in time for this Christmas holiday, several months ahead of the competition. Although details for the Japan launch will be addressed at the Tokyo Game Show in September, the unprecedented three-region launch signifies an industry first. The Xbox 360 platform will deliver the most powerful console, the best games, the next generation of the Xbox Live® service, and amazing digital entertainment experiences never seen in console entertainment.

“The sheer entertainment value of Xbox 360 cannot be overstated,� said Robbie Bach, chief Xbox officer for Microsoft. “While the system has the muscle to power awe-inspiring graphics, audio and online play, it’s also got the intelligence to serve as a one-of-a-kind entertainment device that plays CDs, DVDs, MP3s and digital content from an array of devices, including portable music players and digital cameras.�

With its built-in Ethernet port and free Silver level of service right out of the box, Xbox 360 also connects players to Xbox Live, the premier global online console games and entertainment network. With Xbox Live, gamers can chat with friends online, build and share gamer profiles, send and receive text and voice messages, and access Xbox Live Marketplace for new content such as game demos, trailers and casual games from Xbox Live Arcade. Subscribers to the Gold level of service will also enjoy access to online multiplayer gaming in their favourite games, as well as great promotional programs such as worldwide tournaments, the chance to play online with their favourite celebrities, and opportunities to win big prizes.

For gamers who want the ultimate experience (and the best value) right out of the box, Microsoft will offer the $499.99 CDN Xbox 360 console. This premium edition — distinguished by signature metallic detailing on the console itself — comes fully loaded for the ultimate gaming experience, with components and accessories that would cost more than $300 CDN if sold separately:

Xbox 360 console. Sexy styling that packs a punch — three powerful core processors are poised to pump out 720p/1080i output, 16x9 cinematic aspect ratio, anti-aliasing for smooth textures, full surround sound and DVD playback right out of the box.
Xbox 360 Hard Drive (20 GB). 20 GB and detachable, the hard drive allows gamers to store their games, music, downloaded trailers, levels, demos and community-created content from Xbox Live Marketplace.
Xbox 360 Wireless Controller. Hassle-free high-performance precision wireless gaming features the Xbox® Guide Button for quick access to digital movies, music and games libraries as well as a range and battery life of up to 30 feet and 30 hours of life on two AA batteries.
Xbox 360 Faceplate. The removable Faceplate comes in stylish “chill� (white) and can be swapped out with custom Faceplates to reflect gamers’ personalities or decor.
Xbox 360 Headset. This lets gamers strategize with teammates or trash-talk opponents while playing games on Xbox Live.
Xbox 360 Component HD-AV Cable. This connects gamers to the world of Xbox 360 games and graphics through high-definition and standard-definition connections.
Xbox Live Silver membership. With this, gamers can chat with friends online, send and receive voice and text messages, and access new content from Xbox Live Marketplace demos such as trailers and casual games from Xbox Live Arcade.
A bonus Media Remote. Included for a limited time, the integrated control center for the entire digital experience lets consumers play DVDs, movies and music, as well as access their Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005-based PC’s controls with a single remote.
At $399.99 CDN, the Xbox 360 Core System comes standard with what consumers need to jump right into next-generation games and media, and is fully expandable to the complete Xbox 360 experience:

Xbox 360 console. As with the premium edition, three powerful core processors pump out 720p/1080i output, 16x9 cinematic aspect ratio, anti-aliasing for smooth textures, full surround sound and DVD playback right out of the box.
Xbox 360 Controller. This wired controller features an extended nine-foot cable and a comfortable, enhanced ergonomic design.
Xbox 360 Faceplate. Like no other console before, the Xbox 360 console allows customization and a removable Faceplate that comes in stylish “chill� (white), which can be swapped out with other custom Faceplates to reflect gamers’ personalities or decor.
Xbox 360 Standard AV Cable. This connects gamers to the world of Xbox 360, delivering great next-generation graphics and games using standard-definition connections.
The Xbox 360 console also comes ready for customization. With an array of Xbox 360 accessories, gamers can trick out their systems to suit their individual tastes and personalize their experiences. In addition to an ever-growing selection of eye-catching Faceplates ($19.99 CDN), Xbox 360 Controller (estimated retail price $49.99 CDN*) and Component HD AV Cable (estimated retail price $49.99 CDN*), the lineup includes a wealth of accessories that brings next-generation gaming entertainment to its optimum:

Xbox 360 Hard Drive (20 GB). 20 GB and detachable, the hard drive allows gamers to store their games, music, downloaded trailers, levels, demos and community-created content from Xbox Live Marketplace and more (estimated retail price $129.99 CDN*).
Xbox 360 Memory Unit (64 MB). Easily portable, this lets gamers save games, in-game achievements and unique gamer profiles for quick and easy access on the go (estimated retail price $49.99 CDN*).
Xbox 360 Wireless Controller. The same hassle-free high-performance precision wireless gaming that comes with the premium edition features the Xbox Guide Button for quick access to digital movies, music and games libraries as well as a range and battery life of up to 30 feet and 30 hours of life on two AA batteries (estimated retail price $59.99 CDN*).
Xbox 360 Play & Charge Kit. This allows plug and play for high-performance, precision wireless gaming with the Xbox 360 Wireless Controller. Gamers will be given ample warning when the end of battery life is nearing so they can connect the Play & Charge cable for uninterrupted play (estimated retail price $29.99 CDN*).
Xbox 360 rechargeable battery pack. This provides up to 25 hours of gameplay for wireless gaming fun (estimated retail price $14.99 CDN*).
Xbox 360 Wireless Networking Adapter. With this, gamers can chat with friends and play games via Xbox Live, as well as stream videos and music to Xbox 360 from a Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005-based PC, all without the clutter of wires (estimated retail price $129.99 CDN*).
Xbox 360 Headset. This heightens the Xbox Live experience by letting gamers strategize with teammates or trash-talk opponents while playing games (estimated retail price $29.99 CDN*).
Xbox 360 Universal Media Remote. Sold as an accessory, this integrated control center for the entire digital experience lets consumers play DVDs, movies and music, as well as control a TV and their Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005-based PC controls with a single controller (estimated retail price $39.99 CDN*).
Xbox 360 S-Video AV Cable (U.S. only) Xbox 360 SCART AV Cable (Europe only). This versatile cable works for both high-definition and standard-definition TVs that use S-Video or composite video inputs. It provides optimal audio and video signal transfer (estimated retail price $39.99 CDN*).
Xbox 360 VGA HD AV Cable. Gamers can experience high-definition gaming on flat-panel TV or VGA monitors. This cable provides optimal audio and video signal transfer (estimated retail price $49.99 CDN*).
“With both the Xbox 360 and the Xbox 360 Core System, we’re offering consumers real choice and real value,� said Peter Moore, corporate vice president of worldwide marketing and publishing for the Home Entertainment Division at Microsoft. “We’re bringing true next-generation experiences into gamers’ living rooms this Christmas holiday.�

About Xbox 360
Xbox 360 is the most powerful video game and entertainment system, delivering the best games, the next generation of the premier Xbox Live online gaming service, and unique digital entertainment experiences that revolve around you. The system will launch this holiday season in Europe, Japan and North America, to be followed by availability in Australia, Colombia, Hong Kong, Korea, Mexico, New Zealand, Singapore and Taiwan in 2006. More information can be found online at http://www.xbox.com/xbox360


About Xbox Live
Xbox Live continues to transform and unite Xbox game communities worldwide, with a presence in 24 countries worldwide and a global community of more than 2 million members. As the first and only global, unified online console games service, Xbox Live offers world-class games, intelligent matchmaking, tournaments, unique programming and integration with Xbox.com. More information can be found online at http://www.xbox.com/live.




2 types, the core and the 360

Xbox live will be a lot better


the xbox 360 will be backwards compla.. for top selling games like Halo 2 for sure












Ps3..... next year, faster than the xbox 360

not very good games at all.


my time is winding down... just you wait-Lat

fall 2005

no one will ever read that especially on NS^

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stept productions presents "BLUE PRINTS" comming fall of 05'

liberty skis

There are two models of Xbox 360 one is $400 and has a hard drive wireless controlers and is backwards compatable. the other is $300 and has none of the above. so basicaly you should stick with whatever you have now

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xbox 360 is coming out with 2 models one has the hard drive and wireless controllers and one dosnt have hard drive and wirless controllers the graphics arnt that much improoved over the xbox but the ps3 has insane grapics and wireless controllers idk about a hard drive tho

"I live a life of courage somtimes i write fucking amazing songs that make people shit there pants but when im not doing that i live a life of courage" -tom delonge

Xbox 360 comming out earlier, all wireless controllers (4 of them) and has a wicked look to it. PS3 going to kill Xbox 360, 10 times more powerful than ANY software out on the market as of now but will come out much later than Xbox.

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i'd get an xbox 360, i am

yes the ps3 will be more powerfull but the xboxz will have superior graphics (something in the way it works)

in the online gameing section xbox will own, playstaion just dosent get it......

controller wise the xbox will be sooo much better than the ps3 (have you seen them?! there shaped like boomraings)

i'll get an xbox just cause thats what I have right now. The whole brand loyalty thing even though its microsoft.

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ps3 is going to be so kickass, mattman did you mean ps3 doesnt have any good games? cas you must be on crack if you think that, x box has the shittiest most unrealistic games ever.


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so is silver xbox live gonna let you play online or just download stuff?

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xbox 360 has 3 wireless controllers and 1 plug in for 4 people.. also ur going to be able to customize literally everything about the system including everything on xbox live which means in the tony hawk game u can take a picture of ur face and load it into the system and ur person will look like u

i was my dad was a dermatologist then he could tell me why i have big blood blisters all over my genetalia. im thinking it might be from last saturday where i got completely hammered and my and my friends had an orgy and there was a wire brush involved
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PS3!!!

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i like the xbox 360 better, personally i think the ps3 looks like a piece of shit

they both have wireless controllers i think ps3 may be 4 player now but im not sure both systems with places to plug in controllers if u need too

halo3

n the 360 actualyl looks cool n you can do so many more things with it, ps3 looks retarted

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HALO 3 So XBOX 360

ok i know all bout 360

its got duel core 3.6 processors
wireless controllers
menu with music, movies, downloadable content
pretty sure its 4 player seeing as it shows 4 wireless spot thingys

$299 US or $399 US
Both have free Silver LIVE membership

Which gives u free downloads music and more

Gold is $49.99 p/year

Gives u games and like one other thing

$299 version has less memory and no wireless

Both come with HDTV compatible which i will be using when our new 42" Plasma comes (next week sometime)!!!

thats all i can remember



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PS3 RULES YOOO

^^ ya the ps3 is going to be the shits so much better then xbox cuz they are just slapping the 360 to get it out in stores and its gunna blow balls and be like the old one

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No Props!

say what you want, but PS3 will own

360 has 4 wireless controllers and 2 wired ones, ps3 can have up to 7 controllers. PS3 for me cause i have PS2 now.





I'll drive it untill the wheels fall off, then I'll buy new wheels!

^ so I have Ps and Ps2

I fucking hate it

xbox360 all the way xbox live!

ps3 have very gayass controllers and for me the games suck


my time is winding down... just you wait-Lat

fall 2005

i think that the xbox 360 will be cooler just cuz it wont have that gay controller that the ps3 comes with i've been more attracted to my own vomit before

-keegan mcginnis, newschoolers.com

everyone hated the xbox controller when it first game out. and ps3 will have cordless controllers as well. you can get cordless ps2 controllers too. it will be much better than xbox...i've seen and compared the gameplay and ps3 takes the cake.

^bull fucking shit. You havent play the Xbox or the ps3. You can't go off the pre rendered shit they showed at E3.

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Mac processor in the 360??? Are you retarded? This is microsoft and mac we're talking about. they hate each other. anyway mac processors aren't even that good. mac is switching to intel processor in their computers. fool

only nerds do that kinda research on gaming systems


stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

-Justin
(dfp represent)


keep it real.

im getting 360

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itsbackflip....i was at E3.

ps3. like 7 wireless controls, built in ethernet port, for also free online gaming(free on ps2 as well, not xbox) i've checked up on some game screenshots and the graphics looked sick. controller looks kinda wierd, but can't judge it until i try it

Anyway, a gas station we pass. We got gas, and ran off to get grub.It was a nice little pub in the middle on nowhere. Anywhere woulda been better. I ordered enchiladas and I ate 'em, Ali had the fruit punch.

your a idiot
you think macintosh is going to make processors for microsoft???

_________________________ check it. i grew up a fuckin screw up, got introduced to the game, got a ounce, and fuckin blew up.

the processor in the xbox 360 (and I think in the ps3 as well, but not quite sure) is known as a power pc chip (PPC). This is the same kind of processor that is currently in the macintosh hardware. The development units that xbox 360 developers are using are in fact apple powermac g5's running a modified version of windows NT.

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oh and apple doesn't make the ppc chip they just use them. Apple gets thiers from I think IBM and motorola, but I don't know who is making the chip for the xbox

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^ i think they get them from motorola but they are going to switch to ibm processors

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No Props!

who wants a screen split 7 ways?

it would be orgasmic on a projection screen...my friend has one so i'm stoked.

WTF is up with PS3 being able to play with up to 7 controllers and why is sony obsessed with spiderman
Spiderman was a good movie but they're so obsessed with it that i hate them now
their font is spiderman too. WTF

p3 is goint to be better, microft rushed their productin of the 360 so it would getout before x-mas

ps3 is too much money. wayy too much.

well I have already posted this but since there is a topic asking specifically here it is again:

the 360 has 3 core processors EACH running at 3.2 GHz, it is the best thing made to this day

360 HW:
1. Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD
2. All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
3. Customizable face plates to change appearance
4. 3 USB 2.0 ports
5. Support for 4 wireless controllers
6. Detachable 20GB drive
7. Wi-Fi ready

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
- 2 hardware threads per core
- 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
- 1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance
- 9 billion dots per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
- 500 MNz
- 10 MB embedded DRAM
- 48-way parallel floating-point shader pipelines
- unified shader architecture

Memory
-512 MB GDDR3 RAM
- 700 MNz DDR

Memory Bandwidth
- 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
- 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
- 21.6 GB/s frontside bus

Audio
- Mulitchannel surround sond output
- Supports 48khz 16-bit audio
- 320 independent decompression channels
- 32 bit processing
- 256+ audio channels

Below are the specs from Sony's press release regarding the PS3's GPU.

RSX GPU

550 MHz

Independent vertex/pixel shaders

51 billion dot products per second (total system performance)

300M transistors

136 "shader operations" per clock
The interesting ALU performance numbers are 51 billion dot products per second (total system performance), 300M transistors, and more than twice as powerful as the 6800 Ultra.

The 51 billions dot products per cycle were listed on a summary slide of total graphics system performance and are assumed to include the Cell processor. Sony's calculations seem to assume that the Cell can do a dot product per cycle per DSP, despite not having a dot product instruction.

However, using Sony's claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock.

It is important to note that if the RSX ALUs are similar to the GeForce 6800 ALUs then they work on vector4s, while the Xbox 360 GPU ALUs work on vector5s. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8 GFLOPS which is less than the Xbox 360's 48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

With the number of transistors being slightly larger on the Xbox 360 GPU (330M) it's not surprising that the total programmable GFLOPs number is very close.

The 6800 Ultra has 16 pixel pipes, 6 vertex pipes, and runs at 400 MHz. Given the RSX's 2x better than a 6800 Ultra number and the higher frequency of the RSX, one can roughly estimate that it will have 24 pixel shading pipes and 4 vertex shading pipes (fewer vertex shading pipes since the Cell DSPs will do some vertex shading). If the PS3 GPU keeps the 6800 pixel shader pipe co-issue architecture which is hinted at in Sony's press release, this again gives it 24 pixel pipes* 2 issued per pipe + 4 vertex pipes = 52 dot products per clock in the GPU.

If the RSX follows the 6800 Ultra route, it will have 24 texture samplers, but when in use they take up an ALU slot, making the PS3 GPU in practice even less impressive. Even if it does manage to decouple texture fetching from ALU co-issue, it won't have enough bandwidth to fetch the textures anyways.

For shader operations per clock, Sony is most likely counting each pixel pipe as four ALU operations (co-issued vector+scalar) and a texture operation per pixel pipe and 4 scalar operations for each vector pipe, for a total of 24 * (4 + 1) + (4*4) = 136 operations per cycle or 136 * 550 = 74.8 GOps per second.

Given the Xbox 360 GPU's multithreading and balanced design, you really can't compare the two systems in terms of shading operations per clock. However, the Xbox 360's GPU can do 48 ALU operations (each can do a vector4 and scalar op per clock), 16 texture fetches, 32 control flow operations, and 16 programmable vertex fetch operations with tessellation per clock for a total of 48*2 + 16 + 32 + 16 = 160 operations per cycle or 160 * 500 = 80 GOps per second.




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