Park Skis

IDK2024Don't know how to edit, what about the Mirus Cor? Looks fun as hell, can butter, but seems like it's maybe not the best for rails but can do them?

migidimigiPaying 800 for park skis is dumb af, get something cheap from the spring sales like some Armadas

IDK2024only armadas I've been impressed by are the edollos which are ~$120 cheaper with sales right now.

reviews say the new arv is stiffer and harder to butter so that's not happening

IDK2024only armadas I've been impressed by are the edollos which are ~$120 cheaper with sales right now.

reviews say the new arv is stiffer and harder to butter so that's not happening

migidimigiWhat have you been reading?? New arv 94 & 100 are way softer than any previous versions

IDK2024I guess 2023 version as I didn't find a 2024 review. Did they change the ski for 2024?

https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/In-Depth-Review-2021-Armada-ARV-106-Roofbox

IDK2024I guess 2023 version as I didn't find a 2024 review. Did they change the ski for 2024?

https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/In-Depth-Review-2021-Armada-ARV-106-Roofbox

migidimigiDude you are lost af, go check this out to get a baseline idea on what you should look for and what not https://youtu.be/vKRsPpvq-fk?si=PTCRNmtTe_CpKczc

IDK2024I'm new to the park, my goals would be buttering, rails, and small jumps like 180s/360s (no flips). I'm 5'9, 175lbs, ski east coast and do basically anything that doesn't have bumps.

I'm currently on 172cm 2023 Enforcer 88s and unknown length 2015 Armada ar7s https://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/armada-ar7-2015. I quite like the Armadas for goofing off and skiing switch but for the life of me I cannot get them to butter. Popped my boot out of the binding at Din 7 trying to nose butter in the house, and on snow it felt like I was either going to rip the binding out or fall on my face before getting them on their noses. Was able to kinda sorta tail butter for like half a second. I'm hoping this is actually a gear issue and not a skill issue, so I've been shopping for softer skis. I'd like to be able to make it down a groomer although I don't need them to be an all-mountain ski. I've never done rails and recently fell on my thigh trying to slide a box sideways, so I'm starting from square one there.

The "short" list of skis I've been looking at would be
Armada Edollo
J skis All Play
Line Tom Wallisch
Line Sir Francis Bacon
Icelantic Nomad
Salomon Depart 1.0
All around 176-178cm, just because that's what I'm guessing would be a good size for me

All of these are basically based off of the Newschoolers Roofbox in-depth reviews. What would be a good way for me to start at least narrowing these down / do any of you have personal experience with any of them? Closest I've gotten is seeing somebody on the Wallisch's at the park last week. None of the mountains near me demo park skis, and the J skis demo outlet doesn't demo the Allplay or Joyrides.

Thanks

icy_park_jumpYou may be overestimating how much your skis are supposed to bend when you butter. If the bindings are off the ground it’s a butter. I weigh less than you and have no problem ollieing and buttering on arv 86s. You are probably not gonna be able to Griselda flip with them but you can def do a nosebutter 3
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1088913/trim-5EB0810F-47FE-4CA8-B83A-9DA7072E91BB-MOV

**This post was edited on Mar 5th 2024 at 2:37:29pm

IDK2024I popped out of the binding before I got anything off the ground when trying to nose butter.

I don't know if it's because the ski is 9 years old, the technology is old, it's pretty damn stiff, it's full camber, I'm just bad, or some combo of all of them but I cannot get anything off the ground when trying to nose butter.

IDK2024I popped out of the binding before I got anything off the ground when trying to nose butter.

I don't know if it's because the ski is 9 years old, the technology is old, it's pretty damn stiff, it's full camber, I'm just bad, or some combo of all of them but I cannot get anything off the ground when trying to nose butter.

mrk127Consider ON3P, Deviation, Fatypus or Vishnu. I love the small brands that make higher quality products than the big brand factory skis

IDK2024only armadas I've been impressed by are the edollos which are ~$120 cheaper with sales right now.

reviews say the new arv is stiffer and harder to butter so that's not happening

IDK2024The Vishnus seem too soft. The problem is finding well-done reviews/first hand accounts for the smaller brands, I'll never be able to demo them so reviews and finding people who ski them (difficult) is all I have

IDK2024leaning to the depart when they release more sizes

14/15m radius so not far off from the mirus cor, seems like a happy medium between "fun groomer ski that can be used in park" and "good park ski that survives groomers"

IDK2024leaning to the depart when they release more sizes

14/15m radius so not far off from the mirus cor, seems like a happy medium between "fun groomer ski that can be used in park" and "good park ski that survives groomers"

Voyage86the depart will not be a soft ski

IDK2024what makes you say that?

the roofbox reviewer is my height and weighs less and said he was able to butter on the pre release ski and was told that the actual ski will be softer

IDK2024what makes you say that?

the roofbox reviewer is my height and weighs less and said he was able to butter on the pre release ski and was told that the actual ski will be softer

Voyage86no, he said it was as soft as an arv 106 which is not soft at all and he said the production model will be slightly softer so still not soft at all. good skiers can butter stiff skis by balancing on the rocker rather than flexing the ski a whole lot. it’s somewhat difficult though. that is what twig was likely doing on the depart. yes it does press well but it is not a soft ski.

IDK2024so do you think i wont be able to butter it? i have 30 pounds on him but the only ski i've tried to butter is my ar7s which are full camber and have no rocker at all, so I have no idea what that's like

IDK2024so do you think i wont be able to butter it? i have 30 pounds on him but the only ski i've tried to butter is my ar7s which are full camber and have no rocker at all, so I have no idea what that's like

WittyCongA little softer is relative. I still think it'll be as stiff if not stiffer than the AR7's.

Voyage86if you have no practice buttering so far i do not think you will be able to butter it in a satisfactory way. and as you’ve figured out it’s basically impossible to butter flat rocker skis. but as people have said just get somthing truly soft and cheap. look for the line blend for starters. people will tell you the durability is crap, and it is crap for people who ski hard and slam the sidewalls and tips into rails all day but for your purposes i think it will be good.

Voyage86no, he said it was as soft as an arv 106 which is not soft at all and he said the production model will be slightly softer so still not soft at all. good skiers can butter stiff skis by balancing on the rocker rather than flexing the ski a whole lot. it’s somewhat difficult though. that is what twig was likely doing on the depart. yes it does press well but it is not a soft ski.

IDK2024really wish i could find a mountain near me that demos park skis. Feel like I'm just getting more confused

IDK2024doesn't sound like a fit for me. I ski hard, and I want to learn rails as well. Using a pair of skis for butters/jumps and then having to swap to do rails sounds nonviable to me.

**This post was edited on Mar 8th 2024 at 3:12:22am

IDK2024doesn't sound like a fit for me. I ski hard, and I want to learn rails as well. Using a pair of skis for butters/jumps and then having to swap to do rails sounds nonviable to me.

**This post was edited on Mar 8th 2024 at 3:12:22am

WittyCongI think what is going to be the most beneficial for you is to figure out what is the most important quality in a ski that you are looking for. Do you need a ski that is stable for jump/higher speed runs? Do you want a ski to learn butters? Do you want more of a all mountain park skis? Like if you need a ski that is going to charge hard and be able to hold up on jump landings then a soft ski just isn't in the cards for you. You can definitely learn to butter a stiff ski it'll just take more time and practice. On the flip side of you want a soft buttery ski then you're going to lose out on stability. Gotta figure out what's most important to you and keep in mind everybody's opinion is subjective and people have different ideas of what is stiff and soft

IDK2024Will it be easier to butter a stiffer ski with rocker versus a ski without? According to this site https://soothski.com/compare/?_values_&selected_rows=%5B9441%2C9997%5D&tab=%22Compare%22 my 172cm enforcer 88s are less stiff than the 178cm arv 94s, the enforcers have some rocker so I guess I could try them next time I'm out. I haven't seen any mathematical data on the AR7 stiffness so I have nothing to compare that to.

IDK2024Will it be easier to butter a stiffer ski with rocker versus a ski without? According to this site https://soothski.com/compare/?_values_&selected_rows=%5B9441%2C9997%5D&tab=%22Compare%22 my 172cm enforcer 88s are less stiff than the 178cm arv 94s, the enforcers have some rocker so I guess I could try them next time I'm out. I haven't seen any mathematical data on the AR7 stiffness so I have nothing to compare that to.

WittyCongLike I said before everybody opinion is subjective. But that being said I'm gonna call bullshit on the review. Enforcer and arv are two completely different skis. Enforcer is a directional ski, arv is a twin. Enforcer has metal in it so it's going to be way stiffer than the arv especially with he rear mounting point. Rocker has nothing to do with buttery skis. It's all about core material and the layup of the different layers. You're too in the weeds man, stop getting hung up on numbers because the "flex scale" is different from manufacturer to manufacturer. You need to educate yourself about skis cuz we're just talking in circles at this point. Good luck on your hunt


**This post was edited on Mar 8th 2024 at 11:00:37pm

Voyage86everything you said expect rocker profile for sure counts big time in butters. think on3p

WittyCongI guess you're right. But the rocker is really only there to ensure your tips don't get hung up which I suppose is important in butters. Rocker does nothing really to affect the stiffness of the ski but it important for butters I will give you that one


**This post was edited on Mar 8th 2024 at 11:18:54pm