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Frombrumtobrazil
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so recently I've been in the market for a new all mountain ski and I've been through reviews and accounts of literally hundreds of different skis. last year I owned 2021/22 black crows Camox as my daily for the season and they were awesome, a bit too much at the start of the season as I was pretty amateur but after like 50 days I had a great cohesion with the skis and found them to be perfect for powder/piste skiing. now in my stupidity I took them to get a base grind far too often and that along with skiing on them early/late season and 100+ days throughout the season, they are completely F*cked and are not going to be skiable for the coming season. The need for a new pair is not so urgent as I wont be able to ski until December and still have my park skis from last season, which didn't get nearly enough attention and as such I will be spending time in the park. however I do want to replace them, so I've boiled it down to these options; 1000's all mountain skis, ON3P Woodsman 108, Vishnu wide +, Sega bighorn 106. (IK some of these are sold out online but i have found people willing to sell each of these skis).

Now here's the problem I'm having; each of these ski brand advertise that they make the best skis, 1000's especially i get 1500 videos a day on IG about their flex and ability and how cool they are etc.. and talking about how different they are from other skis. and there are 100s of reviews online talking up and shit-talking each of these skis - blister and newschoolers reviews both review them all very well but people on IG and whatever point out various flaws etc.

now obviously length and width make big differences in how skis handle, and the camber/rocker makes a big difference.. but besides that is there a big difference between these skis? because the price differences are huge, and they really make it seem like there are big differences, as though they have innovated something crazy, but, for example, 1000s all mountain and Vishnu wide+ are both 106mm width and come in 186cm (this is the size I would get) but do they ski that differently?

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p.s. I'm not talking about durability or how skis look, simply how they perform.
Oct 5 2023 12:32PM
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deac
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1000 overpriced
Oct 5 2023 12:34PM
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SofaKingSick
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the good news is that there are TONS of skis to choose from these days, the bad news is there are TONS of skis to choose from these days, and yeah, a lot of them do behave very differently from each other

that said... they're all good, there really aren't many skis out there that a non-expert will have any issue with unless they're way too big/small or way too stiff for you

do what research you can, and yeah marketing is a solid 50% nonsense. ideally you demo different skis to see what you like but if you can't do that just make an educated guess at which will be best for you and start riding them. being used to your pair of skis is every bit as important as which ski it is imo
Oct 5 2023 12:38PM
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SofaKingSick
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there are some tech nerds on here that will be able to tell you how different skis differ from each other so try asking in gear talk or finding some of those types of guys on here. Blister Reviews are also VERY respected and VERY in-depth. NS's reviews are pretty dece imo too
Oct 5 2023 12:39PM
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Frombrumtobrazil
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deke_ski1000 overpriced


yeah they are damn expensive ive only ever seen one pair in the wild lol
Oct 5 2023 12:45PM
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Frombrumtobrazil
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SofaKingSickthe good news is that there are TONS of skis to choose from these days, the bad news is there are TONS of skis to choose from these days, and yeah, a lot of them do behave very differently from each other

that said... they're all good, there really aren't many skis out there that a non-expert will have any issue with unless they're way too big/small or way too stiff for you

do what research you can, and yeah marketing is a solid 50% nonsense. ideally you demo different skis to see what you like but if you can't do that just make an educated guess at which will be best for you and start riding them. being used to your pair of skis is every bit as important as which ski it is imo


yeah demoing isnt really an option for me lol as i live in the uk now :( missing the mountains so much. yeah i reckon you're right but at that stage do i just say fuck it and buy a cheap second hand pair of like bentchets or head Kores or something? because i want to have a very good performance ski - i do a lot of extreme terrain, big drops & flips and whatever, but do i need a 'high performance ski' or is thee actually no difference?
Oct 5 2023 12:49PM
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Frombrumtobrazil
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SofaKingSickthere are some tech nerds on here that will be able to tell you how different skis differ from each other so try asking in gear talk or finding some of those types of guys on here. Blister Reviews are also VERY respected and VERY in-depth. NS's reviews are pretty dece imo too


yeah ive read through both blister and NS indepth reviews for A LOT of skis but they tend to really commend a lot of these skis and rate them very highly with little critique i find - i think its because the pros who test and review them can do the things they do with literally anything on their feet lol. - i get that the differences wont be enormous - the crux of my point is; is there enough of a difference to justify an extra 200£ and spending hundreds of hours reading reviews
Oct 5 2023 12:52PM
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deac
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Frombrumtobrazilyeah they are damn expensive ive only ever seen one pair in the wild lol


istg its only sponsored mfs that have em
Oct 5 2023 1:20PM
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Frombrumtobrazil
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deke_skiistg its only sponsored mfs that have em


this is literally my entire point - like are they good or are they just being usedd by pros who can make anything look good
Oct 5 2023 1:21PM
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SofaKingSick
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Frombrumtobrazilyeah ive read through both blister and NS indepth reviews for A LOT of skis but they tend to really commend a lot of these skis and rate them very highly with little critique i find - i think its because the pros who test and review them can do the things they do with literally anything on their feet lol. - i get that the differences wont be enormous - the crux of my point is; is there enough of a difference to justify an extra 200£ and spending hundreds of hours reading reviews


okay gotcha. yeah i mean it's worth getting the right ski for yourself and not wanting or needing to switch too soon after, so don't be afraid to splurge a little, but there is no reason to spend crazy amounts these days-- most skis are really good, honestly, and there are too many of them out there for decent prices to be spending closer to $1000 than $500 imo

yes, a good skier using something, especially when sponsored by them, doesn't really mean much about the quality but you can tell what TYPE of skiing most skis are good for

read what you can but don't overstress yourself over it. get some good recommendations and then compare them to each other and pull the trigger. it's way too easy to over-analyze ski specs on the internet when really you'll stop thinking about all that shit as soon as you're riding again. make a decent informed guess and don't worry too much about it
Oct 5 2023 1:43PM
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Frombrumtobrazil
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SofaKingSickokay gotcha. yeah i mean it's worth getting the right ski for yourself and not wanting or needing to switch too soon after, so don't be afraid to splurge a little, but there is no reason to spend crazy amounts these days-- most skis are really good, honestly, and there are too many of them out there for decent prices to be spending closer to $1000 than $500 imo

yes, a good skier using something, especially when sponsored by them, doesn't really mean much about the quality but you can tell what TYPE of skiing most skis are good for

read what you can but don't overstress yourself over it. get some good recommendations and then compare them to each other and pull the trigger. it's way too easy to over-analyze ski specs on the internet when really you'll stop thinking about all that shit as soon as you're riding again. make a decent informed guess and don't worry too much about it


Yeah I think it’s time to can the 1000s.. put up a poll on another post and they got like 2% of the votes 😬. I think the ON3P woodsman 108 is probably the ski for me tbh.. it’s less expensive but still in theory a ‘high end’ ski which is what I’m looking for - people are saying they’ll fit my riding style and they seem to have good reviews and good durability. Look pretty sick aswell. Thanks for your help mate!
Oct 6 2023 7:19AM
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GrandThings
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FrombrumtobrazilNow here's the problem I'm having; each of these ski brand advertise that they make the best skis


SMH how dare they
Oct 6 2023 9:44AM
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Yukon_Cornelius
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OP, all of the skis you listed are wildly different and it will really depend on how you ride.

the wide+ is a symmetrical true center ski.. do you want a symmetrical center/near-center mounted all mountain ski? If so, and you’re looking at ON3P, I would be looking at the Jeff before the other models.

Do you want to make the mountain your playground? If so, I hope the bighorn is the ski that your homie can sell you because I’m pretty sure sego went under.

1000 skis look fun, but you’re right, there’s a whole lot of marketing going on there. Clipping into a pair of red skis is not going to be a shortcut to a dub 7 at Corbetts.
Oct 8 2023 1:23AM
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Frombrumtobrazil
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Yukon_CorneliusOP, all of the skis you listed are wildly different and it will really depend on how you ride.

the wide+ is a symmetrical true center ski.. do you want a symmetrical center/near-center mounted all mountain ski? If so, and you’re looking at ON3P, I would be looking at the Jeff before the other models.

Do you want to make the mountain your playground? If so, I hope the bighorn is the ski that your homie can sell you because I’m pretty sure sego went under.

1000 skis look fun, but you’re right, there’s a whole lot of marketing going on there. Clipping into a pair of red skis is not going to be a shortcut to a dub 7 at Corbetts.

Yeah so I’ve ruled out the 1000’s as they are just too expensive and untested to justify buying.. my buddy can sell me bighorns new but they’re pretty pricey because there’s basically nowhere you can buy them new anymore so will probably have to pass on that. Why do you say Jeffs over the woodsman? I thought the woodsman were more geared towards freeride?



also I’ve skied like 3 days already so I’m sure if I clipped into 1000s I could stomp dub 7 into corbets, probably rock a double backie into air Jordan…
Oct 8 2023 9:27AM
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TilliBreakitNs
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Frombrumtobrazilthis is literally my entire point - like are they good or are they just being usedd by pros who can make anything look good

I Ve been trying some différent skis including red and what I can tell is I feel more « ninja », easier to shifty and grab every side hits, better pop than what my body allow, my mate was riding vishnu and he has the same thought I have for 1000s but I can’t tell personally
i also rode a lot on on3p (graner’s model) and the feeling was less playful for sure but more stable for speed and cliffs drops.
others skis I tried doesn’t deserve to be named because they were craps
Oct 8 2023 10:49AM
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MisfitSkis
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In a saturated market theres going to be ALOT of marketing BS to push sales. When you really look into, most skis in the same "category" i.e. park skis, front side carvers, pow skis, ETC. will practically be all the same. The only difference will then come down to preference and material choice, like liking a full rockered ski over a cambered ski. And obviously if you ski a cheaper honey badger just as aggressively as a more expensive ski its going to break easier due to the cost cutting in materials. Doesnt make skis like the honey badger "bad", your probably just skiing them to hard and need to upgrade to a better flex pattern, stiffness, shape, etc. The specific skis you are looking at will differ more in how they ski more than anything else. The vishnu will be softer and have alot of rocker/long gradual shape. The thousands will be much stiffer and will have a good amount of camber. so more comes down to how you like to ride. If you blow up one you probably would have blown up the other the same.
Oct 11 2023 2:40PM
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iDontHitRails
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Get the vishnus or on3p. 1000 skis is a shit product and it may be a fun ski but their durability is dogshit and you’ll look like a wannabe influencer skiing them
Oct 11 2023 5:02PM
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OregonDead
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snowboarding is cool
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