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patagonialukeDefinitely not light, and for anyone who's worried about Air Tip, don't. The swing weight isn't as hefty as the 118, but that seems more due to the fact that it's simply not quite as heavy. Unlike many Air Tip skis, the Sender Free 110 doesn't have a huge drop off in stiffness once you reach that part of the ski. It's pretty dang strong throughout, actually stiffer through the tips and tails than the 118. If it didn't have the little transparent part in the base, I'd never guess it had that honeycomb insert (in a good way).
It should really be called a BO 110, but I think Senders just sell more, and I'm guessing all their freeride people will (continue to) be on it. It's like a mix between the BO 118 and Sender Ti / Sender 106Ti+, but much more of a 118 than a Sender. Mostly it just has (most of) the edge hold of the Sender Ti and isn't quite as ultra-damp / planted as the 118, but it definitely smooths things out better than the Sender Ti, and it's designed around a way more centered mount point than the other Senders (but you can still drive it). It's cool.
So similar to the sender squad? Will there still be a sender squad next year
SimkiwinkiSo similar to the sender squad? Will there still be a sender squad next year
Kinda, but it doesn’t remind me all that much of the Squad. I’d say the Squad feels like a more directional BO118, whereas the Sender Free is much more like the 118 in terms of shape, rocker profile, and mount point, but with a slightly more energetic flex pattern and less loose / more precise feel than the Squad and BO118.
and I still haven’t gotten confirmation on whether the squad will be returning so I’m not sure
patagonialukeKinda, but it doesn’t remind me all that much of the Squad. I’d say the Squad feels like a more directional BO118, whereas the Sender Free is much more like the 118 in terms of shape, rocker profile, and mount point, but with a slightly more energetic flex pattern and less loose / more precise feel than the Squad and BO118.
and I still haven’t gotten confirmation on whether the squad will be returning so I’m not sure
Might have to buy a few squads if they decide to kill that ski. Would have never guessed I’d like them just looking at the numbers but I’m currently deeply in love. The combination of no speed limit and lose makes me wanna listen to weedeater and take chances
patagonialukeKinda, but it doesn’t remind me all that much of the Squad. I’d say the Squad feels like a more directional BO118, whereas the Sender Free is much more like the 118 in terms of shape, rocker profile, and mount point, but with a slightly more energetic flex pattern and less loose / more precise feel than the Squad and BO118.
and I still haven’t gotten confirmation on whether the squad will be returning so I’m not sure
Are the Free twins though? It seems strange that they aren't given what I've heard of them
patagonialukeKinda, but it doesn’t remind me all that much of the Squad. I’d say the Squad feels like a more directional BO118, whereas the Sender Free is much more like the 118 in terms of shape, rocker profile, and mount point, but with a slightly more energetic flex pattern and less loose / more precise feel than the Squad and BO118.
and I still haven’t gotten confirmation on whether the squad will be returning so I’m not sure
Looking at the Evo.com preview pics, it looks like the Squads are still in the line-up, and it looks like the same top-sheet as Max's IG, new for 2024...
mystery3This is such a generic rental ski graphic. It's kind of sad almost.
The bases are really cool tho and the sidewalls look dope in person. Skied on em today actually, theyre softer and lighter than the QST106. Was doin some naaasty butters on them.
tdolloThe bases are really cool tho and the sidewalls look dope in person. Skied on em today actually, theyre softer and lighter than the QST106. Was doin some naaasty butters on them.
It's only the tail press that's iffy. The 14 and 12 are auto Gripwalk so there's a few mm of play up in the toe when you are in the backseat. Feels more noticeable than the way Look does it. 16 is MNC so almost none of that. In my experience they're not bad otherwise
JuviticusIt's only the tail press that's iffy. The 14 and 12 are auto Gripwalk so there's a few mm of play up in the toe when you are in the backseat. Feels more noticeable than the way Look does it. 16 is MNC so almost none of that. In my experience they're not bad otherwise
This sounds interesting. "Auto" GripWalk means the binding is designed so that it fits the GW bottom-bump without any adjustment or movement. Nothing moves. The binding fits Alpine and GW boots the same.
MNC means you adjust the AFD up to the boot or lower the toe down to fit the boot, depending on the binding.
Is the play you mentioned the specific toepiece movement / elasticity related to the release design? Or could it be DIN or adjustment specific?
ejjThis sounds interesting. "Auto" GripWalk means the binding is designed so that it fits the GW bottom-bump without any adjustment or movement. Nothing moves. The binding fits Alpine and GW boots the same.
MNC means you adjust the AFD up to the boot or lower the toe down to fit the boot, depending on the binding.
Is the play you mentioned the specific toepiece movement / elasticity related to the release design? Or could it be DIN or adjustment specific?
i have wondered this as well
the look pivot grip walk toe piece seems like a less dialed fit to the din sole toe piece from eyeballing it
ejjThis sounds interesting. "Auto" GripWalk means the binding is designed so that it fits the GW bottom-bump without any adjustment or movement. Nothing moves. The binding fits Alpine and GW boots the same.
MNC means you adjust the AFD up to the boot or lower the toe down to fit the boot, depending on the binding.
Is the play you mentioned the specific toepiece movement / elasticity related to the release design? Or could it be DIN or adjustment specific?
"nothing moves" is a relative term. Elastic travel is movement and it happens in mnc bindings too. My observation was that the vertical travel in the toe of those models was more noticeable than others
Juviticus"nothing moves" is a relative term. Elastic travel is movement and it happens in mnc bindings too. My observation was that the vertical travel in the toe of those models was more noticeable than others
Yeah something was wrong with them, you shouldn't feel any movement doing a tailpress.
jcaYeah something was wrong with them, you shouldn't feel any movement doing a tailpress.
Bro all bindings have movement when you tailpess. That's how elastic travel works. You want no movement get pins. Higher DIN bindings will have less but there will always be some. If you have no movement at all your AFD is set way too tight
JuviticusBro all bindings have movement when you tailpess. That's how elastic travel works. You want no movement get pins. Higher DIN bindings will have less but there will always be some. If you have no movement at all your AFD is set way too tight
Yes they have elasticity, but a tail press shouldn't be enough force for you to physically feel your toes moving in your binding.
SimkiwinkiMight have to buy a few squads if they decide to kill that ski. Would have never guessed I’d like them just looking at the numbers but I’m currently deeply in love. The combination of no speed limit and lose makes me wanna listen to weedeater and take chances
Go buy some squads if you like the, they’re done building them
Very sure about that. The graphic was covering the airtip for a reason.
jps2.0you sure about that
the video where logan drops a 90ft cliff the black rossi ski doesnt have an airtip
also jacob wester had a 192 rossi black ops 118 on his insta
They made a 192 118 which logan skied until the 191 110 was designed. He’s been on the 110 different models of the 110 for a while. The graphic might have looked like a sender squad, or a 118, but it was not the same ski.
Mr_pretzelYeah Logan has a 192 118.
I’m assuming max’s proto doesn’t have the air tip.
However a bunch of the riders(parker, baker, marcusG, jacob) are ripping the model now which has the airtip so it’s probably fine. Hopefully I can try a pair when they come out soon!
**This post was edited on Jan 26th 2023 at 12:12:46am
Powder7 on youtube just showed off new lines and armadas.
Armada graphics looks sick.
New bacon 108 and 115. It almost looks like it has gotten flat camber, and lot more durable. Wonder if this ruines the softness of it. A stiff bacon would be just tragic
jcaYes they have elasticity, but a tail press shouldn't be enough force for you to physically feel your toes moving in your binding.
Okay I mean the quantity of that sensation is hard to difine for anyone other than yourself, but for me it was wasn't outside of what's within reason for a binding like it. It was just a bit more than I hoped for a 14 din "freeride" binding
Been riding in these recently, LV 130 with new “dual pivot” gimmick. Boot feels nice, also features “suspension blade” tech which as far as I can tell, doesn’t do anything?
Doesn’t feel like a super low volume boot, but I’ve got some narrow calves and feet; ankle hold is fire
The new 110s seems sick. 191s are going to rip at 2350g per ski.
Is there a lot more carbon in the layup vs the sender squad?
Ironically enough the Sender Squad does not have carbon or basalt in it. It was wood, air tip (covered by graphic) metal under foot, and a diago fiber layer. So, yes the 110 has more carbon and basalt in it, poplar core, metal under foot, and the air tip, which was dramatically reduced in size a few years ago. The wood core goes into the shovel now. The 191 is just as smooth and stable as the squad, it's just easier to turn.
tdolloBeen riding in these recently, LV 130 with new “dual pivot” gimmick. Boot feels nice, also features “suspension blade” tech which as far as I can tell, doesn’t do anything?
Doesn’t feel like a super low volume boot, but I’ve got some narrow calves and feet; ankle hold is fire
can you explain the dual pivot system? I dont get it??
tdolloBeen riding in these recently, LV 130 with new “dual pivot” gimmick. Boot feels nice, also features “suspension blade” tech which as far as I can tell, doesn’t do anything?
Doesn’t feel like a super low volume boot, but I’ve got some narrow calves and feet; ankle hold is fire
Ghinican you explain the dual pivot system? I dont get it??
Is there an exploded diagram showing the clog seperate from the cuff anywhere? The way it appears from the outside neither pivot can pivot at all and the boot would just flex from the plastic flexing? There must be more going on with the clog.
Not sure if Blister's take on it is any more helpful. The main takeaway for me was the linear power delivery, so you're getting power transmission earlier from when you start flexing forward. I know myself and others have described the flex of 2 pc boots usually having a bit of forward travel before the flex stiffens up (aka progressive flex) to where you feel like you're driving the skis.
Cool to see something new out of alpine boots other than boa cables I guess...
sicbithIronically enough the Sender Squad does not have carbon or basalt in it. It was wood, air tip (covered by graphic) metal under foot, and a diago fiber layer. So, yes the 110 has more carbon and basalt in it, poplar core, metal under foot, and the air tip, which was dramatically reduced in size a few years ago. The wood core goes into the shovel now. The 191 is just as smooth and stable as the squad, it's just easier to turn.
I was pretty sure there was no carbon in either the Sender squad or the BO118.
That’s part of why I like them so much :P
Heard theyre going to take the line to a free 100 and 120 for 2025. That should be cool aswell.
