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FruitBootPro
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After skiing Outsiders I can't imagine going back to a ski with less rocker. Even demoing ARV98s in 171 size felt like there was too much camber, I just wanna be able to swivel on a dime. To hell with catching an edge, ever.
What skis out there have as much rocker as the Outsiders when you stand on them?
Mar 17 2022 11:01PM
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okayimlinking
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these but they’re for advanced riders so i wouldn’t recommend

Mar 17 2022 11:43PM
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KCoCM
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okayimlinkingthese but they’re for advanced riders so i wouldn’t recommend


does anyone know the actual story behind those skis. surely they weren’t made to be like that this guy must’ve left them in compressed in a trash compactor for a year and then decided to ski them
Mar 18 2022 12:03AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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All you had to do was zoom in and look at the name, muchacho
http://bananaski.se
KCoCMdoes anyone know the actual story behind those skis. surely they weren’t made to be like that this guy must’ve left them in compressed in a trash compactor for a year and then decided to ski them
Mar 18 2022 9:03AM
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FruitBootPro
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okayimlinkingthese but they’re for advanced riders so i wouldn’t recommend



mfs post this any time someone brings up rocker or outsiders
Mar 18 2022 9:04AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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But yeah I’d look at a devastator or meridian if I were you. I know @DesertStix is selling some 187 meridians
Mar 18 2022 9:05AM
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KCoCM
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BradFiAusNzCoCaAll you had to do was zoom in and look at the name, muchacho
http://bananaski.se


ahh thanks i tried but couldn’t read it, might have to cop a pair
Mar 18 2022 9:07AM
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okayimlinking
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can’t understand the site, u think they got 200cm in stock?
BradFiAusNzCoCaAll you had to do was zoom in and look at the name, muchacho
http://bananaski.se
Mar 18 2022 9:14AM
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DesertStix
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Sold those awhile ago but definitely a sick ski
BradFiAusNzCoCaBut yeah I’d look at a devastator or meridian if I were you. I know @DesertStix is selling some 187 meridians
Mar 18 2022 9:27AM
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CatdickBojangles
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There’s plenty of skis that can pivot on a dime.
Mar 18 2022 10:54AM
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FruitBootPro
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BradFiAusNzCoCaBut yeah I’d look at a devastator or meridian if I were you. I know @DesertStix is selling some 187 meridians


I don't want something with absolutely no camber
even outsiders have some rebound to them in turns

Basically i'm looking for a ski with roughly the same effective edge as outsiders
Mar 18 2022 12:16PM
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CatdickBojangles
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FruitBootProI don't want something with absolutely no camber
even outsiders have some rebound to them in turns

Basically i'm looking for a ski with roughly the same effective edge as outsiders


Just get ski blades then.
Mar 18 2022 12:52PM
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FruitBootPro
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CatdickBojanglesJust get ski blades then.


hell nah i need stability and butterability among other things
Mar 18 2022 12:59PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Sounds like you need to use that app soothe ski or whatever it’s called
FruitBootProI don't want something with absolutely no camber
even outsiders have some rebound to them in turns

Basically i'm looking for a ski with roughly the same effective edge as outsiders
Mar 18 2022 1:18PM
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FruitBootPro
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BradFiAusNzCoCaSounds like you need to use that app soothe ski or whatever it’s called


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Mar 18 2022 1:19PM
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FruitBootPro
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update, didn't really find anything in sooth ski that's to my liking
can anyone recommend me a ski that's very rockered, very stable, and good in bumps?
Mar 22 2022 6:18PM
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CatdickBojangles
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FruitBootProupdate, didn't really find anything in sooth ski that's to my liking
can anyone recommend me a ski that's very rockered, very stable, and good in bumps?


Jeffrey.
Mar 22 2022 6:23PM
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FruitBootPro
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CatdickBojanglesJeffrey.


bet, wouldn't doubt it.
I don't like its lack of taper and square tails but otherwise it seems good.
would the billy goat be better if I want taper?
Mar 22 2022 6:32PM
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isaacwrong
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FruitBootProupdate, didn't really find anything in sooth ski that's to my liking
can anyone recommend me a ski that's very rockered, very stable, and good in bumps?

fischer nightstick
Mar 22 2022 6:56PM
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FruitBootPro
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isaacwrongfischer nightstick


Looking for a big mountain ski, 84mm underfoot comp ski isn't my thing
Mar 22 2022 7:00PM
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isaacwrong
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FruitBootProLooking for a big mountain ski, 84mm underfoot comp ski isn't my thing


*joking..in all seriousness Vishnu wide plus/on3p
Mar 22 2022 7:12PM
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CatdickBojangles
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FruitBootProbet, wouldn't doubt it.
I don't like its lack of taper and square tails but otherwise it seems good.
would the billy goat be better if I want taper?


I’ve never been on the Billy goat. @Session or maybe @RudyGarmisch might know. I know TGR loves the BG.
Mar 22 2022 7:18PM
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Session
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FruitBootProbet, wouldn't doubt it.
I don't like its lack of taper and square tails but otherwise it seems good.
would the billy goat be better if I want taper?


CatdickBojanglesI’ve never been on the Billy goat. @Session or maybe @RudyGarmisch might know. I know TGR loves the BG.


BG is going to be super directional. J118 has tapered tips unlike the rest of the Jeffrey line.


Mar 22 2022 7:45PM
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zerospinskier
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It’s all about the mount point. If you want a ski to pivot easily you need to be close to center. For example I got some Jeffrey 110s this year and I had them mounted at recommended (-4.5 from center) and they just wanted to go straight. But I tried them at -2.5 and they pivot and play much more. Any rockered ski mounted center to -2ish will pivot really well.

**This post was edited on Mar 22nd 2022 at 9:07:00pm
Mar 22 2022 9:03PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Maybe need to look into a few more considerations like core makeup, Taper, etc. My Fauna’s pivot pretty fast for such a cambered ski because of the core, taper, soft tips and tails and the ability to flex through it to hit 0 camber.


But here’s another one from a smaller company that I interned for. Half off now too. These skis were ridiculously fun:
https://slantskis.com/products/blaze-blaze-the-trail?variant=8553710780460
Mar 22 2022 10:58PM
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Session
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zerospinskierIt’s all about the mount point. If you want a ski to pivot easily you need to be close to center. For example I got some Jeffrey 110s this year and I had them mounted at recommended (-4.5 from center) and they just wanted to go straight. But I tried them at -2.5 and they pivot and play much more. Any rockered ski mounted center to -2ish will pivot really well.

**This post was edited on Mar 22nd 2022 at 9:07:00pm



Mar 22 2022 11:47PM
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zerospinskier
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Session


Try it! Demo a centered ski like a Bentchetler and slide the demo track all the way back. It gets more solid and less surfy. Take a more traditional ski like a Mindbender and push the demo track all the way forward. It gets more squirrely and pivoty. Just about any ski does this.
Mar 23 2022 12:01AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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They do have merit with that statement. Further forward will make a ski pivot quicker and feel less locked in.
Session
Mar 23 2022 12:06AM
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FruitBootPro
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SessionBG is going to be super directional. J118 has tapered tips unlike the rest of the Jeffrey line.




I'm generally fine with directional, but I do wanna ski with a centered stance, because that's what I'm used to.
Would BG be bad for that?
Mar 23 2022 12:10AM
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Session
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FruitBootProI'm generally fine with directional, but I do wanna ski with a centered stance, because that's what I'm used to.
Would BG be bad for that?


BG skis well with a centered stance.
Mar 23 2022 8:07AM
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BearsOnKetamine
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Armada arg 😳
Mar 23 2022 9:18AM
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Session
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zerospinskierTry it! Demo a centered ski like a Bentchetler and slide the demo track all the way back. It gets more solid and less surfy. Take a more traditional ski like a Mindbender and push the demo track all the way forward. It gets more squirrely and pivoty. Just about any ski does this.


I'm well aware that moving a mount forward changes how a ski turns, my confusion was that you think a Jeffrey on the recommended line is hard to turn.
Mar 23 2022 10:32AM
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zerospinskier
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SessionI'm well aware that moving a mount forward changes how a ski turns, my confusion was that you think a Jeffrey on the recommended line is hard to turn.

I was surprised too. It just didn’t work for me. Good in pow and soft snow. But on hardpack and in the park it felt like a 70m turn radius. The 2cm bump forward made all the difference. Now it makes large and small radius turns and feels like I would expect.
Mar 23 2022 11:02AM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Magic Js have a very short effective edge and a shit ton of rocker. They are also 127 underfoot though.
Mar 23 2022 3:24PM
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CatdickBojangles
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Also look at the 4frnt Devastator.
Mar 23 2022 3:32PM
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