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Graham0596
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Just wondering what the support scale looks like. I know brand to brand will vary and hierarchy on the roster, but I assume the big names are getting a salary in addition to gear and trips. Anyone have a better idea of what that looks like? Obviously number of sponsors and what type factor but for the sake of simplicity mainly asking about ski manufacturers. Is Armada tossing HH and Sammy 100k? Just curious.
Nov 17 2021 4:03PM
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WJSkier09
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Graham0596Just wondering what the support scale looks like. I know brand to brand will vary and hierarchy on the roster, but I assume the big names are getting a salary in addition to gear and trips. Anyone have a better idea of what that looks like? Obviously number of sponsors and what type factor but for the sake of simplicity mainly asking about ski manufacturers. Is Armada tossing HH and Sammy 100k? Just curious.


Idk but I think that the big names like Henrik, Sammy, Tanner rake in a ok living from there and sponsors like they probably don’t have to do any other jobs but the little names like Mango or lupe hagraty they got to hustle or they used to during the summer also I don’t think armadas giving there athletes 6 figures.
Nov 17 2021 4:15PM
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Schoess
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Graham0596Just wondering what the support scale looks like. I know brand to brand will vary and hierarchy on the roster, but I assume the big names are getting a salary in addition to gear and trips. Anyone have a better idea of what that looks like? Obviously number of sponsors and what type factor but for the sake of simplicity mainly asking about ski manufacturers. Is Armada tossing HH and Sammy 100k? Just curious.


The 15 year old's here have no idea about the private contracts signed by the industries leading professionals behind closed doors, regardless of what they will tell you. Inb4 a shitstorm of misinformation and wildly inaccurate guesses.
Nov 17 2021 4:17PM
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byubound
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SchoessThe 15 year old's here have no idea about the private contracts signed by the industries leading professionals behind closed doors, regardless of what they will tell you. Inb4 a shitstorm of misinformation and wildly inaccurate guesses.

Hit us with some fax then
Nov 17 2021 4:25PM
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eheath
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Whatever number you have in your head, divide it by 10 and thats probably more accurate. A small fraction of professional skiers actually make good money.
Nov 17 2021 4:58PM
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eheath
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byuboundHit us with some fax then


Anyone who actually knows the real numbers has no right to say those figures and they wouldn't post it online anyway.

If an athlete wanted to tell the world how much they make, they can come here and post.
Nov 17 2021 5:00PM
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Graham0596
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Definitely not looking for specifics or counting anyone’s money, just curious if anyone had ideas. It’s pretty clear it’s a large spectrum and respect for anyone making it work doing what they love
Nov 17 2021 5:19PM
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eheath
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Graham0596Definitely not looking for specifics or counting anyone’s money, just curious if anyone had ideas. It’s pretty clear it’s a large spectrum and respect for anyone making it work doing what they love


For sure, its understandable to be curious about it. Some companies pay pros 4 figures, some get 5 figures if they're a big company/big skier but I don't think there are many brands out there forking out 6 figures without multiple year contracts, incentives etc. Every brand is different, every athlete's contract is different, different agents too etc tons of variables.

For the most part, most skiers don't make a ton of money and unless they got an energy drink sponsor, its safe to say they're probably on the lower end of salaries.
Nov 17 2021 5:24PM
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corona
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I've seen this thread so many times and not a single even ballpark number from a reliable source has been posted. Essentially these threads are just people who know or think they know flexing but not saying anything and the rest making guesses.
Nov 17 2021 5:27PM
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Graham0596
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eheathFor sure, its understandable to be curious about it. Some companies pay pros 4 figures, some get 5 figures if they're a big company/big skier but I don't think there are many brands out there forking out 6 figures without multiple year contracts, incentives etc. Every brand is different, every athlete's contract is different, different agents too etc tons of variables.

For the most part, most skiers don't make a ton of money and unless they got an energy drink sponsor, its safe to say they're probably on the lower end of salaries.


Sorta the answer I expected lol dunno why I bothered with the thread. Was thinking maybe guys like HH were making decent money cause of his years of pro models across multiple brands. Thanks ma guy
Nov 17 2021 5:37PM
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cydwhit
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I have no idea of actual numbers for skiing. That said, this breakdown for mountain biking is very, very interesting: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/how-much-do-professional-mountain-bikers-get-paid-pinkbikes-state-of-the-sport-survey.html

It's hard to figure out if this is analogous to skiing at all, because there are so many differences. For example, most of the riders polled there are race-focused, and many of those races are televised. My guess is the mountain bikers in that survey are getting payed significantly more than your favorite "core" skiers. But I also bet the general breakdowns are similar, for example, 27% of the riders polled are basically doing this for peanuts. My guess is a similar percentage of pro skiers are also doing this for peanuts, it's just even smaller peanuts.

More transparency in athlete and ambassador compensation would be good for everyone. But I understand why athletes don't share the details of their compensation. An anonymous survey like the one above would go a long way toward helping educate up and comers, as well as established skiers renegotiating their contracts.
Nov 17 2021 5:38PM
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eheath
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Graham0596Sorta the answer I expected lol dunno why I bothered with the thread. Was thinking maybe guys like HH were making decent money cause of his years of pro models across multiple brands. Thanks ma guy


Pro models in skiing aren't exactly like pro models in say skating, tons of people get "pro models" and the only people I have known with pro models receive a small royalty.

Also, european "pro skiers" tend to make more money as well, like jon was raking in millions when he was a big skier, guys like tanner/dumont didn't pull half the money he did in the same window of time, etc.
Nov 17 2021 6:01PM
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Schoess
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byuboundHit us with some fax then


I don't pretend to know. That being said, in MY experience working with companies, it's a blessing to get your expenses paid and have any actual check sent to you is dope. Most of the time, free or reduced product is the incentive. For me, Skiing for free, working with dope people and making "cool" videos is the reward. I program things to pay the bills, skiing isn't a career for me. Just the passion.
Nov 17 2021 6:27PM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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eheathPro models in skiing aren't exactly like pro models in say skating, tons of people get "pro models" and the only people I have known with pro models receive a small royalty.

Also, european "pro skiers" tend to make more money as well, like jon was raking in millions when he was a big skier, guys like tanner/dumont didn't pull half the money he did in the same window of time, etc.


I wonder why that is? Is Europe just a bigger market maybe?
Nov 17 2021 6:36PM
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eheath
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BigPurpleSkiSuitI wonder why that is? Is Europe just a bigger market maybe?

Yeah, at least in like 2004 that's how it was, maybe its not like that now. In general, skiers made more money "back in the day" when skiing was a little more on the up and the public was more interested in xgames, etc. Im not really sure how that stacks up now, but companies like Faction seem to be doing pretty well.
Nov 17 2021 7:06PM
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HypeBeast
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eheathAnyone who actually knows the real numbers has no right to say those figures and they wouldn't post it online anyway.

If an athlete wanted to tell the world how much they make, they can come here and post.


Why not? They got a nondisclosure agreement or something? Why don't people have a right to say what they make?
Nov 17 2021 8:00PM
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eheath
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HypeBeastWhy not? They got a nondisclosure agreement or something? Why don't people have a right to say what they make?


Its the athletes business, if they want to disclose their salary that's cool but nobody should be going around telling everyone someone else's personal information.
Nov 17 2021 8:05PM
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byubound
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eheathAnyone who actually knows the real numbers has no right to say those figures and they wouldn't post it online anyway.

If an athlete wanted to tell the world how much they make, they can come here and post.

Lol why are athlete salary ranges some big secret?
Nov 17 2021 8:07PM
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Skiblade420
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My friends girlfriends brothers dads brothers daughters boyfriends little brother is a pro and from what he told me armadas big names get around 450k a year while something like on3p top guys only making 20k a year. Super crazy
Nov 17 2021 9:29PM
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Skiblade420
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And you wanna know how I know it’s true? Because my friends girlfriends brothers dads brothers daughters boyfriends little brother is actually me, and i’m an undercover pro
Nov 17 2021 9:31PM
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r00kie
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HypeBeastWhy not? They got a nondisclosure agreement or something? Why don't people have a right to say what they make?


Considering how kids on here react when anyone actually tries to make money I wouldn't share how much I made from skiing if I actually did make anything. No point in getting called a sell out for making a little cash when the whole ordeal is avoidable.
Nov 17 2021 9:45PM
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MichiganCatFart
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Graham0596Just wondering what the support scale looks like. I know brand to brand will vary and hierarchy on the roster, but I assume the big names are getting a salary in addition to gear and trips. Anyone have a better idea of what that looks like? Obviously number of sponsors and what type factor but for the sake of simplicity mainly asking about ski manufacturers. Is Armada tossing HH and Sammy 100k? Just curious.


excuse me young man, there is only room for one goose profile picture in this here town. *wild west music* *tumble weed blows by*
Nov 17 2021 10:12PM
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FaunaSkis
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@PowellMovement seems to be the only one who dgaf and has straight up asked pro skiers if they're making bank. Most give vague answers to keep privacy but if you listen to a bunch of the podcasts you get a sense of money people make and how it's changed over time.
Nov 17 2021 11:26PM
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Young_patty
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Most am/pro’s reading this thread:


Nov 17 2021 11:37PM
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GrapeHunter
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I want to know how much Tatum Monod makes from Red Bull alone... i also want to kiss her. other story tho
Nov 18 2021 12:47AM
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Graham0596
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MichiganCatFartexcuse me young man, there is only room for one goose profile picture in this here town. *wild west music* *tumble weed blows by*


Ohhhh shit, I even looked around to try and not cop someone’s look. Two pretty different geese here tho, maybe some sort of an alliance?
Nov 18 2021 2:57AM
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ndye
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A friend of mine who had a relatively successful by NS terms ski career made 54,000/year from sponsorships and work combined according to him.

Which boils down to about 54k a year bartending
Nov 18 2021 3:19AM
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Big_beta
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Now that all these ski brands are behind bought out by corporate shouldn’t there be more money for the sport/skiers?
May 15 2022 5:07AM
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eheath
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Big_betaNow that all these ski brands are behind bought out by corporate shouldn’t there be more money for the sport/skiers?


Typically when a large corp is involved it means they have to be even more strict with their money, these brands would see a more stable flow of cash but it doesn't necessarily go up.
May 15 2022 12:43PM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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ABOUT TREE FITTY
May 16 2022 2:09AM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Big_betaNow that all these ski brands are behind bought out by corporate shouldn’t there be more money for the sport/skiers?


why would a large company beholden to profit seeking shareholders pay someone when they'd do their job for free?
May 18 2022 4:52PM
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twinkle_toes
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Was listening to Simon Dumont’s podcast and it reminded me of this post lol

Answers your question about salary in episode 44 at the 40 minute mark
Jun 14 2022 10:54PM
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CoachTrifes
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eheathPro models in skiing aren't exactly like pro models in say skating, tons of people get "pro models" and the only people I have known with pro models receive a small royalty.

Also, european "pro skiers" tend to make more money as well, like jon was raking in millions when he was a big skier, guys like tanner/dumont didn't pull half the money he did in the same window of time, etc.


jon is a business goat. he is a unique exception. on average (from the people i've exchanged with about our retainers) the us people get paid more, that's also usually because the us market is bigger and sells more than eu.

after all its all about sales in the respective region that results in an allocation of money to their region based athlete, no matter his "team" rank. Priority of which athlete gets more is obviously will determined by value for the brand.

also as mentioned before, everyones retainer is the result of their own negotiation skills. so they can vary by a LOT.
Jun 15 2022 5:18AM
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prettygood
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twinkle_toesWas listening to Simon Dumont’s podcast and it reminded me of this post lol

Answers your question about salary in episode 44 at the 40 minute mark


Back in the days when pros were rockstars :) 55k from Oakley per year for Philou Poirier in the early 2000s.
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