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I’ve been riding armada skis for the last 4 seasons, and its appearing their quality control has gone out the door. Just picked up a new pair of ARV 86’s at my local ski shop and these skis are riddled with flaws. This year the Armada website claims to have went back to thicker 2.5 edges and mine are reasonably thinner, even comparable to my pair of ARV 96’s that originally had a 2.2 edge that have seen multiple base grinds.. Also the tip and tail seem to have 3x as much material compared to my previous models that they look like a brick, so no spin tips anymore? Also they misprinted ARV with ARW... Anyone else experiencing similar things with Armada/or any other ski company’s you’ve rode for awhile? Might be time to switch brands...
Already in contact with my boys back at the shop and they’re taking care of it. Just wanted to be a whistleblower for anyone who might also be getting screwed over.. Its tough learning that Armada (a company I trusted 100%) is selling products with quality control stickers on them that aren’t true to spec. Edges measured out to 1.9mm on the side and bottom and yet they were supposed to be a 2.5mm edge.
BigPurpleSkiSuitI'd honestly take those back to the shop and point out the issues.
WGalinskiAlready in contact with my boys back at the shop and they’re taking care of it. Just wanted to be a whistleblower for anyone who might also be getting screwed over.. Its tough learning that Armada (a company I trusted 100%) is selling products with quality control stickers on them that aren’t true to spec. Edges measured out to 1.9mm on the side and bottom and yet they were supposed to be a 2.5mm edge.
I wonder if they had to move factories or something during COVID? But yeah imagine if you went to buy a 2500 square foot house and then got a 1900 square foot house, if it was like 2.45 mm, maybe, but that's unacceptable
I'm wondering what differences there are with the ARW vs. ARV...is it possible the ARW has 1.9mm edges to lighten it up and/ or soften the flex a bit? I'm curious what the differences are between the two other than top sheets and lengths.
mystery3I'm wondering what differences there are with the ARW vs. ARV...is it possible the ARW has 1.9mm edges to lighten it up and/ or soften the flex a bit? I'm curious what the differences are between the two other than top sheets and lengths.
Armada says the only difference is topsheet and offered lengths between ARW and ARV models but ski companies are so full of shit and dont understand their own products theyre selling.
armada's website says the ARV116 JJ flex pattern is about a 9 stiffness in the tip and 10 stiffness in the tail and 7 in the middle which already makes no sense since under the bindings is the stiffest part of a ski but the you look at the Declivity 82Ti which is a frontside carving ski with a full length titanal layer in the core and they say its a 4 stiffness in the tips and tails and 7 in the middle of the skis. They just plain make shit up for no reason and its not even believable. I wouldnt be surprised if the ARW has actual build differences to the ARV and just that nobody in the marketing or written materials department has any idea.
ya now that ive bought at least 1 new pair the past like 3-4 seasons it really sucks to realize that u need to inspect ur product very carefully. seems pretty common to get a ski that has issues, especially from the larger brands and via the mail. seriously considering only buying skis in person from now on unless the deal is too good to pass up. finding out the ski has an issue when its been shipped is such a fucking hassle and headache, especially if the subsequent set they send you also has an issue/ also seems not up to standards
JLejArmada says the only difference is topsheet and offered lengths between ARW and ARV models but ski companies are so full of shit and dont understand their own products theyre selling.
armada's website says the ARV116 JJ flex pattern is about a 9 stiffness in the tip and 10 stiffness in the tail and 7 in the middle which already makes no sense since under the bindings is the stiffest part of a ski but the you look at the Declivity 82Ti which is a frontside carving ski with a full length titanal layer in the core and they say its a 4 stiffness in the tips and tails and 7 in the middle of the skis. They just plain make shit up for no reason and its not even believable. I wouldnt be surprised if the ARW has actual build differences to the ARV and just that nobody in the marketing or written materials department has any idea.
The flex pattern craziness was probably the funniest shit I saw on this year's website.
JJ is and has always been the original, soft and surfy pow ski so saying the flex is that high just shows the marketing firm that made the website mixed up the specs and had no idea what they are talking about and cherry on top, no one at Armada checked the website before launch.
Thank god we have Blister, Roofbox reviews and others who give actual reliable info on skis, thanks @Twig and others, you do better work than ski companies themselves to help people get info and choose
After further inspection at my local alot (mostly everything they had) of this years Armada skis are coming out under spec. Get out the rulers and check yo skis! Had them thin edged, thick tipped bastards get replaced with a pair of Dollo’s that had a noticeably bigger edge but its still under the 2.5mm that they claim (Have these factory workers never went to school to understand basic measurements??) Some of the models whether made in Bulgaria (ARV’s) or in Austria (signature models and Declivity’s) had flaws in edge thickness (no misprinted ARW’s instead of ARV’s thankfully) but Armada claims nothing went wrong during manufacturing. My boys at the shop totally respected what I brought to them and had no fuss taking care of it. If you’re like me and appreciate a thicker edge to take care of more than one contact with a big rock, thank me later and take a better look at your new 2021-22 Armada skis to make sure everything checks out.
fuck I wish I saw this thread 3 hours ago... literally just dropped my 96's off to get mounted and didn't inspect them. It's bullshit that I should even have to inspect them... wtf. Been a long time Armada customer and now I'm a little nervous
e.moneyfuck I wish I saw this thread 3 hours ago... literally just dropped my 96's off to get mounted and didn't inspect them. It's bullshit that I should even have to inspect them... wtf. Been a long time Armada customer and now I'm a little nervous
call the shop maybe they didnt mount them yet. prolly dont have to worry but who knows
I cant be a fan of armadas after my pair i skiied on last yr. the bases are unbelievably slow.
i think the selling point of armadas are that they are durable skis. Maybe more so than on3ps. Idk, but i see alot more ppl posting about on3p blowouts than armada blowouts.
the tips of ops skis are fucking wack though. Like honestly thats pretty embarassing they didnt scrap those bitches.
dolanslebensraumI cant be a fan of armadas after my pair i skiied on last yr. the bases are unbelievably slow.
i think the selling point of armadas are that they are durable skis. Maybe more so than on3ps. Idk, but i see alot more ppl posting about on3p blowouts than armada blowouts.
the tips of ops skis are fucking wack though. Like honestly thats pretty embarassing they didnt scrap those bitches.
I agree most of armada's bases are total dogshit. Sometimes they just come with a bad factory grind and they need a grind and some new structure and they are good, that's what happened with my 2021 whitewalkers.
Hey op, just picked up my pair of arv 86s and my tips are definitely not that thick and i'm unsure what the edges measure out to but I also got the arw misprint.
mrk127I agree most of armada's bases are total dogshit. Sometimes they just come with a bad factory grind and they need a grind and some new structure and they are good, that's what happened with my 2021 whitewalkers.
Interesting. I always thought armada chose a ptex that was very durable and didnt need any waxing to keep it healthy but was not very fast. The low maintenance aspect surprised me because i thought armadas target demographic would be park skiers who would be very diligent about waxing their skis. I can appreciate the durability consideration but having skied on a ski with the same base as an fis race ski (revolt 87) the glide of the bases made my armadas seem like the base was made of sandpaper.
i already sold my armadas but i wish i couldve gotten a good base grind to see if it helped the glide like it did on yours.
