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Alec Baldwin killed a woman.

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T.L.
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Even one death is too many. Hollywood should be shut down.
Oct 22 2021 8:13PM
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Dustin.
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SuspiciousFishI agree with you to a degree but movies sets are unique in that they are the only environment where you are told to point an actual firearm at someone or toward people which you would never do in real life. If this was a Colt SAA and was on a table and the actor was told it was full of blanks and to pick it up and fire it at the camera then it is up to the professional armorer to ensure the proper blanks ammo etc was used. Colt SAA revolvers are not like newer revolvers where you can flip out the revolving chamber and inspect the rounds. They need to be pushed out through the gate one by one.

What basically happened was the idiot crew used a prop gun to plink shots with live rounds between takes and forgot to unload it when they brought it back to the set which is beyond stupid and criminal IMO. Live rounds were left in the gun and the armorer didn't do her job to ensure it was safe and the actor followed directions and shot someone.

I hold Alec Baldwin more responsible as the producer than the shooter in that half the crew walked out days prior due to unsafe conditions and he allowed the situation to happen despite multiple warning signs. It was his responsibility to not allow target shooting between takes, to ensure the professionals knew what they were doing and to account for safe conditions including not using real guns for these kind of shots.


I 100% agree with you on his leadership failure as the producer, but if I was the person using the gun then I would stand there and watch it cleared and prepared every time. It's insane to point a firearm at someone and not be 1,000,000% sure it's clear. Even then, I would be uncomfortable with it because it's stupid.

Gun stores hand brand new, never loaded weapons to customers to look at 1000x a day and they clear the weapon every time. It's just something you do when the consequences are so serious. I carry a pistol in a tiny cockpit when I'm in combat and our Aircrew Flight Equipment act as the armorers and maintainers of the weapons. We stand there and watch them prep the weapon, then we take it and clear/prepare/load the weapon while they supervise. It's very simple, but taken very seriously. Every time.
Oct 30 2021 5:30PM
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Dustin.
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theabortionatorIt's weird how giddy some people are about this. Some of the gun people seem pretty happy about this. Even the thread title is like "LOOK SEE! ha!"

Idk, have a bunch of guns, do whatever. Not sure why somebody dying has people so hyped.


The excitement is from the idea that a person who pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger, killing one and injuring another is somehow not responsible.

I mean, step back and remove all the other circumstances you know about and just read that sentence. A person pointed a gun at someone, pulled the trigger, and killed someone. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DEFENDING THAT? It's an accident, but it's supremely stupid, avoidable, and tragic. Apply blame where blame is due, and empathize with how bad the dude must feel....but it's still his fault regardless of how many people he pays failed to help him.
Oct 30 2021 5:36PM
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SuspiciousFish
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Dustin.I 100% agree with you on his leadership failure as the producer, but if I was the person using the gun then I would stand there and watch it cleared and prepared every time. It's insane to point a firearm at someone and not be 1,000,000% sure it's clear. Even then, I would be uncomfortable with it because it's stupid.

Gun stores hand brand new, never loaded weapons to customers to look at 1000x a day and they clear the weapon every time. It's just something you do when the consequences are so serious. I carry a pistol in a tiny cockpit when I'm in combat and our Aircrew Flight Equipment act as the armorers and maintainers of the weapons. We stand there and watch them prep the weapon, then we take it and clear/prepare/load the weapon while they supervise. It's very simple, but taken very seriously. Every time.


I would definitely do this as well. Especially with an SAA Colt where you cant just pop the mag and clear the chamber and know its unloaded. You literally have to cycle the cylinder and check every chamber with the swing gate open. Even at gun stores if I ask to handle a pistol the only direction I ever point it is at the ground to hold or up in the air if I am checking the sights. This is just a clear example of the hypocrisy of hollywood glamorizing gun violence on TV while in real life not knowing the first things about gun safety. Especially since Alec Baldwin is such an ass to lawful gun owners.
Oct 30 2021 5:47PM
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theabortionator
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Dustin.The excitement is from the idea that a person who pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger, killing one and injuring another is somehow not responsible.

I mean, step back and remove all the other circumstances you know about and just read that sentence. A person pointed a gun at someone, pulled the trigger, and killed someone. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DEFENDING THAT? It's an accident, but it's supremely stupid, avoidable, and tragic. Apply blame where blame is due, and empathize with how bad the dude must feel....but it's still his fault regardless of how many people he pays failed to help him.


The excitement is that you hate the guy and your loving anything that can fuel that or maybe your cause. You guys are making ridiculous comparisons and to you it's the same as walking into a store and shooting somebody and saying you didn't know it was loaded.

I really don't even have an issue with guns, but gun nuts as as a collective movement are cooked.

I don't even get what you're trying to argue. You guys should jist go back to your clubhouse and talk about freedom and how everyone would be safer if everyone had at least 3 guns on them at all points. Alec baldwin should get life in prison and whatever else you're feeling.

It's not even worth arguing with you guys. I like arguing but I don't see the point here. Call it a win even, i just don't care. Im gonna go skate.
Oct 30 2021 5:54PM
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dolanslebensraum
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Does anybody think its kind of funny how if alec baldwin grabbed this womans ass he would be punished 10x worse than what he is going through now.

i guess getting shot and killed isnt as bad as getting your ass grabbed.

i got my ass grabbed by a random girl at a high school dance yrs ago. And would you believe it; i didnt even have to start cutting myself to deal with the pain. I didnt give a shit, even though i wasnt interested in the girl who groped me and found it minorly annoying.

sexual harassment is about gibs 99.9% of the time. No, not retribution….. just gibs.
Oct 31 2021 9:15PM
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Lonely
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dolanslebensraumDoes anybody think its kind of funny how if alec baldwin grabbed this womans ass he would be punished 10x worse than what he is going through now.

i guess getting shot and killed isnt as bad as getting your ass grabbed.

i got my ass grabbed by a random girl at a high school dance yrs ago. And would you believe it; i didnt even have to start cutting myself to deal with the pain. I didnt give a shit, even though i wasnt interested in the girl who groped me and found it minorly annoying.

sexual harassment is about gibs 99.9% of the time. No, not retribution….. just gibs.


Man you really need to just...have some sex...My head can't deal with the whiplash that comes from you going from nazi lover to incel
Oct 31 2021 11:04PM
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profa_212
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dolanslebensraumDoes anybody think its kind of funny how if alec baldwin grabbed this womans ass he would be punished 10x worse than what he is going through now.

i guess getting shot and killed isnt as bad as getting your ass grabbed.

i got my ass grabbed by a random girl at a high school dance yrs ago. And would you believe it; i didnt even have to start cutting myself to deal with the pain. I didnt give a shit, even though i wasnt interested in the girl who groped me and found it minorly annoying.

sexual harassment is about gibs 99.9% of the time. No, not retribution….. just gibs.


The incel vibes are strong on this one
Nov 1 2021 12:02AM
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Dnolly
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I have a lot of film friends who work on these western sets and last I talked to them the armorer is in charge of the prop gun was taking the gun to ranger with the actors to shoot ranger rounds and it sounds like she didn’t clear it, and/or when she got to set turned the gun in and they set it aside, the 1st ad is suppose to check the gun after the armorer does but from my buddy it sounded like she wasn’t present, and that the 1st ad is Notorious for rushing sets as most of them are and he didn’t check the round and made the call for a safe gun.
Alec should not be blamed, the industry seriously needs to check there safety standards and actually check those who are in charge of on set safety . I could go off more but I’m shitting at work rn
Nov 1 2021 2:31PM
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dolanslebensraum
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LonelyMan you really need to just...have some sex...My head can't deal with the whiplash that comes from you going from nazi lover to incel
Profahoben_212The incel vibes are strong on this one

Lol if you guys honestly think getting your ass grabbed should be worth more than a number 3 at mcdonalds you are completely fucked in the head.



this sexual harassment shit is out of control. Men are just as innocent as anybody else. We arent all dirty old creeps with nothing on our minds but sex.
Nov 1 2021 10:49PM
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PacificRimJob
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dolanslebensraumDoes anybody think its kind of funny how if alec baldwin grabbed this womans ass he would be punished 10x worse than what he is going through now.

i guess getting shot and killed isnt as bad as getting your ass grabbed.

i got my ass grabbed by a random girl at a high school dance yrs ago. And would you believe it; i didnt even have to start cutting myself to deal with the pain. I didnt give a shit, even though i wasnt interested in the girl who groped me and found it minorly annoying.

sexual harassment is about gibs 99.9% of the time. No, not retribution….. just gibs.


It depends entirely if the ass was handed to Alec by an assistant director shouting COLD ASS on a movie set or not.
Nov 2 2021 3:55PM
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PacificRimJob
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dolanslebensraumWe arent all dirty old creeps with nothing on our minds but sex.

Lol yeah we fucking are.
Nov 2 2021 4:01PM
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MikeRR
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Dustin.It's about responsibility and ownership, which are unquestionable when you point a fucking gun at someone and pull the trigger. Since I'm probably the only person here who has actually done that, leave me alone with your stupid sarcastic bullshit about the responsibility of handling weapons. It's an immense weight I would never and will never leave to someone else to do for me.


You’ve shot someone? Tell us more
Nov 4 2021 3:13PM
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dolanslebensraum
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DingoSeanLol yeah we fucking are.

You might be. Not to upstage you but im not in that camp.
Nov 4 2021 7:45PM
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MikeRR
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Nov 5 2021 1:16AM
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PacificRimJob
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dolanslebensraumYou might be. Not to upstage you but im not in that camp.


Lol if you're indeed a male, you're biologically pre-disposed to it. It's natural. And that's ok.



The difference is that a lot of these mouthbreathers who are getting in trouble for harassment never learned to control themselves like adults and instead have acted out on those instinctual pre-dispositions like cro-magnons...


Defending their actions makes you as much of a troglodyte as they are.
Nov 5 2021 3:28AM
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HypeBeast
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Did you guys see he said he "didn't pull the trigger". I kid you not. Saw a clip of his interview on TV last week. This guy...
Dec 12 2021 12:52AM
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elcheapo
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HypeBeastDid you guys see he said he "didn't pull the trigger". I kid you not. Saw a clip of his interview on TV last week. This guy...

I saw that the other day, kinda makes me suspicious but he's well liked and has money wich talks so it'll pass and that's that
Dec 12 2021 1:27AM
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HypeBeast
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ElcheapoI saw that the other day, kinda makes me suspicious but he's well liked and has money wich talks so it'll pass and that's that

I just hate the whole "it went off" narrative. That's not a thing.
Dec 12 2021 3:49AM
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Lonely
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HypeBeastDid you guys see he said he "didn't pull the trigger". I kid you not. Saw a clip of his interview on TV last week. This guy...


Sounds like he let the hammer slip. Which at the end of the day is the exact same thing as pulling the trigger
Dec 12 2021 11:26AM
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SuspiciousFish
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HypeBeastI just hate the whole "it went off" narrative. That's not a thing.


It has been fun watching every gun youtube channel on the internet come out and debunk it though.
Dec 12 2021 12:26PM
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HiHowAreYou
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I dreamt that I was kidnapped by a black man with an afro and Alec Baldwin riding shotgun. We hit a bump in the road and I woke up.

Jul 27 2022 9:41PM
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