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Its expensive as hell to have kids nowadays so yeah, totally get where women are coming. Imagine being forced into a life of poverty because some boomer-ass politicians are stuck in their old ways and don't have a heart. Fuck that. Do you dudes want to raise a kid as a broke-ass ski bum? Didn't think so. And even if you have money, you are in no position to force someone else to do something you think is in "our best interests".
mrk127Republicans are so fucking hypocritical. Isn’t their whole thing wanting more deregulation and less government in their lives? Then why the fuck do they try so hard to regulate abortion and stop people from getting legitimate medical procedures.
fucking bullshit
I lean pretty firmly right nowadays and I'm very disappointed by this upcoming court decision. Doesn't matter what the circumstance or issue is, a governmental body has absolutely no business intervening in the medical decisions of a competent individual. Many of us do have a consistent ideology.
That said I do want to actually read the opinion and understand the case to see what the court's reasoning was.
Reasoning?
Foo said protection wasn't in the Constitution.... gonna leave it up to states
_Garagely_I lean pretty firmly right nowadays and I'm very disappointed by this upcoming court decision. Doesn't matter what the circumstance or issue is, a governmental body has absolutely no business intervening in the medical decisions of a competent individual. Many of us do have a consistent ideology.
That said I do want to actually read the opinion and understand the case to see what the court's reasoning was.
Not a true decision yet and usually there are multiple different drafts from different points of views/opinions even with in the same “party”. If it is true I think there will be a lot more pro choice reps and senators elected in the future. Either way conservative’s have small as dicks with their big ego’s. Tryna take away other peoples rights, cause they grew up in the fuckin 17th century
if this genuinely ends up happening we already know multiple states will take advantage of it as soon as humanly possible. funny that some red states have teen pregnancy rates almost twice as high as blue states but claim they actually care.
we just want to strip women of their rights, but it’s alright because the bible and jesus said so!
The worst part is how badly this disaffects the underprivileged and poor...
well off folks who can afford a trip to a blue state or mexico/canada will never have abortion rights taken away... only poor people in shithole states...
Hear me out all 50 active users on ns vote to put Andy parry into office. He lives in Oregon, have you ever met a mean person from Oregon. We all get free pizza and, he can dismantle corporate skiing, and he’s left wing so I like Him but that’s not important. FREE PIZZA.
BearsOnKetamineHear me out all 50 active users on ns vote to put Andy parry into office. He lives in Oregon, have you ever met a mean person from Oregon. We all get free pizza and, he can dismantle corporate skiing, and he’s left wing so I like Him but that’s not important. FREE PIZZA.
So I've been binge watching Designated Survivor and this just gave me a fantastic mental image. Thanks for the chuckle.
DingoSeanThe worst part is how badly this disaffects the underprivileged and poor...
well off folks who can afford a trip to a blue state or mexico/canada will never have abortion rights taken away... only poor people in shithole states...
Basically the only uniting principle left in the Republican Party after trumpism is the dream of preventing poor women of color from seeing a doctor. Once that mission is accomplished idk what they are going to do with themselves.
DingoSeanThe worst part is how badly this disaffects the underprivileged and poor...
well off folks who can afford a trip to a blue state or mexico/canada will never have abortion rights taken away... only poor people in shithole states...
Its what makes the far right republicans cum at night. That and circle jerks about everyone is against them and they have to declair war on the opposition. I guess God told them so.
Canada’s conservatives members are keeping very quiet about the abortion topic here. Its their goal, but they know how canadians believe in choice when it comes to our futures. If they push the agenda, they will be a 3rd party in parliament because no one will vote for them.
_Garagely_I lean pretty firmly right nowadays and I'm very disappointed by this upcoming court decision. Doesn't matter what the circumstance or issue is, a governmental body has absolutely no business intervening in the medical decisions of a competent individual. Many of us do have a consistent ideology.
That said I do want to actually read the opinion and understand the case to see what the court's reasoning was.
Not sure what you're being downvoted for. I'm also very interested to read their argument if this actually ends up being their vote. Also how the fuck can the Supreme Court overturn a Supreme Court ruling? Isn't that the point of the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution and rights and shit and have the ultimate say? If they overturn this, it's very much a degradation to their own power and decisions. Really makes you question legitimacy of past rulings. I'm so confused, lawyer people chime in.
They can overturn a previous ruling, but only if there is sound logic. This vote if it's real is political, not sound logic as the court previously established it as a constitutional right. They're supposed to adhere to that, but who is going to stop them if they don't? They're not going to get impeached due to the house and senate being so evenly split.
Note: I'm not a lawyer, but I just took AP gov and spent way to much time on the Supreme Court so take this with a grain of salt.
HypeBeastNot sure what you're being downvoted for. I'm also very interested to read their argument if this actually ends up being their vote. Also how the fuck can the Supreme Court overturn a Supreme Court ruling? Isn't that the point of the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution and rights and shit and have the ultimate say? If they overturn this, it's very much a degradation to their own power and decisions. Really makes you question legitimacy of past rulings. I'm so confused, lawyer people chime in.
mrk127Republicans are so fucking hypocritical. Isn’t their whole thing wanting more deregulation and less government in their lives? Then why the fuck do they try so hard to regulate abortion and stop people from getting legitimate medical procedures.
fucking bullshit
While this is super fucked, and I do not want RvW overturned, this is sort of federal "deregulation". The supreme court does not codify law, that's congress. The supreme court rules on the constitutionality of laws. By overturning Roe vs Wade they are not banning abortion federally, they are just doing away with the federal control over states. With the federal superseding ruling, abortion rights were protected. Overturning that removes the protection of those rights, and potentially the rights of some other things as well since RvW is the umbrella case.
So once the protections are removed, most red states will ban abortion. So less federal "regulation" in this case will lead to an increase in state "regulation".
It should also be said that RvW should have been codified into law, since it hasn't we are seeing the relative ease in which it can be removed simply by a different court decision.
At least that's my understanding after reading the opinion and taking like, two law classes in college
**This post was edited on May 4th 2022 at 11:26:55am
HypeBeastNot sure what you're being downvoted for. I'm also very interested to read their argument if this actually ends up being their vote. Also how the fuck can the Supreme Court overturn a Supreme Court ruling? Isn't that the point of the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution and rights and shit and have the ultimate say? If they overturn this, it's very much a degradation to their own power and decisions. Really makes you question legitimacy of past rulings. I'm so confused, lawyer people chime in.
Supreme Court rulings do get overturned, but it's extraordinarily rare. And in almost all cases, it's to expand liberties. For example, the Supreme Court overturned its decision that allowed for segregated communities (banning "Separate but equal"). They overruled their decision that allowed states to ban gay marriage. They overruled their decision that allowed states to ban interracial marriage. They overruled their decision that allowed for segregated schools. In all of these cases, the court is expanding freedoms and protecting them under constitutional rights.
Never has a ruling removed a constitutional right as significant as abortion. Especially one that's been established and supported by the majority of Americans for 50 years. This decision is unheard of in US History. It's very clearly a political motive and it's a disgrace to the Court's already-declining integrity.
Does anyone think this might lead to external consequences of this? Stuff that might hurt the economy of these places?
Like, could this lead a drop in the prices of homes in Red States that enact laws that make abortion illegal with heavy punitive consequences? Or perhaps fewer girls going wild in New Orleans or Miami (whenever Florida passes some horrible law) and therefore a sharp drop in state tourism?
I know for a fact that it will lead to fewer young women attending universities in many different states... there will be a brain drain...
If I had a daughter, I would not want her to go to University in Texas, Arizona or Michigan - or any place with a law prohibiting abortion and subverting her right to privacy...
I'm ultimately curious to find out what the full scope of consequences will be from this ruling... beyond the obvious...
DingoSeanDoes anyone think this might lead to external consequences of this? Stuff that might hurt the economy of these places?
Like, could this lead a drop in the prices of homes in Red States that enact laws that make abortion illegal with heavy punitive consequences? Or perhaps fewer girls going wild in New Orleans or Miami (whenever Florida passes some horrible law) and therefore a sharp drop in state tourism?
I know for a fact that it will lead to fewer young women attending universities in many different states... there will be a brain drain...
If I had a daughter, I would not want her to go to University in Texas, Arizona or Michigan - or any place with a law prohibiting abortion and subverting her right to privacy...
I'm ultimately curious to find out what the full scope of consequences will be from this ruling... beyond the obvious...
as long as red states have oil under their land or crops above it they aren't going to care about the social consequences of this type of thing. they are wholly invested in making their constituencies as poor as possible. someone who studies comp sci at UT and then splits for silicon valley isn't making greg abbott any richer so he's not going to legislate in their favor. on the other hand some dude who is paying child support to 3 different women while working a rig will be aggressively campaigned to.
short answer there will be no consequences, keeping people miserable and convincing them it's all worth it so they can own liberals is how they secure votes and keep their meat grinder of an economy moving.
as for how this appeals to middle class evangelicals too... i have no idea.
BrandoComandoSupreme Court rulings do get overturned, but it's extraordinarily rare. And in almost all cases, it's to expand liberties. For example, the Supreme Court overturned its decision that allowed for segregated communities (banning "Separate but equal"). They overruled their decision that allowed states to ban gay marriage. They overruled their decision that allowed states to ban interracial marriage. They overruled their decision that allowed for segregated schools. In all of these cases, the court is expanding freedoms and protecting them under constitutional rights.
Never has a ruling removed a constitutional right as significant as abortion. Especially one that's been established and supported by the majority of Americans for 50 years. This decision is unheard of in US History. It's very clearly a political motive and it's a disgrace to the Court's already-declining integrity.
Which is interesting because all the new justices told the Senate in their confirmation hearings that roe was settled law. When there are other cases that come along that use a case previously previously it theoretically reaffirms the foundational case as basically unshakable. So they all lied their ass off to the public to get on that court and do this, which I suppose everyone probably should have known, but still pretty shocking.
Thanks this is exactly what I was looking for in terms of an explanation.
BrandoComandoSupreme Court rulings do get overturned, but it's extraordinarily rare. And in almost all cases, it's to expand liberties. For example, the Supreme Court overturned its decision that allowed for segregated communities (banning "Separate but equal"). They overruled their decision that allowed states to ban gay marriage. They overruled their decision that allowed states to ban interracial marriage. They overruled their decision that allowed for segregated schools. In all of these cases, the court is expanding freedoms and protecting them under constitutional rights.
Never has a ruling removed a constitutional right as significant as abortion. Especially one that's been established and supported by the majority of Americans for 50 years. This decision is unheard of in US History. It's very clearly a political motive and it's a disgrace to the Court's already-declining integrity.
DingoSeanDoes anyone think this might lead to external consequences of this? Stuff that might hurt the economy of these places?
Like, could this lead a drop in the prices of homes in Red States that enact laws that make abortion illegal with heavy punitive consequences? Or perhaps fewer girls going wild in New Orleans or Miami (whenever Florida passes some horrible law) and therefore a sharp drop in state tourism?
I know for a fact that it will lead to fewer young women attending universities in many different states... there will be a brain drain...
If I had a daughter, I would not want her to go to University in Texas, Arizona or Michigan - or any place with a law prohibiting abortion and subverting her right to privacy...
I'm ultimately curious to find out what the full scope of consequences will be from this ruling... beyond the obvious...
Lol spring break. I doubt it. Those students can still go home or have the financial ability to go to other states if they want an abortion. This law would hurt those more who are in poverty, which makes up a good chunk of abortions. We already saw the implications with Texas' stunt last year. If state specific abortion laws meant anything for college, we probably woulda seen that by now. Plenty of states have very restrictive laws. I could see an argument for impaction on migration between states though.
I do find it interesting that conservatives are pushing for a law that will create an even bigger burden on our welfare system, yet that's a system they try so much to not pay into. They're not thinking too much about this for a party allegedly more intelligent and conscious about budgets and deficits...this will hurt that goal. It's all a play for the religious types.
Thats the thing... the financial conservatives couldnt care less about this shit.. in fact many of them are very much for it... its the Social conservative karen lovejoy 'wont someone think of the children' fucksticks who see abortion as their #1 motive for voting.
I'm curious how many of them will continue to vote as a bloc now that this has happened... No doubt the most extreme are going to try and continue to go after gay marriage. but that law is far far less controversial as compared to abortion rights and its much harder to go after lgbtq folks today.. the arguments against it are also extremely weak.
HypeBeastI do find it interesting that conservatives are pushing for a law that will create an even bigger burden on our welfare system, yet that's a system they try so much to not pay into. They're not thinking too much about this for a party allegedly more intelligent and conscious about budgets and deficits...this will hurt that goal. It's all a play for the religious types.
I see it as elites consolidating their positions of power and wealth with religious aspects as cover and to get votes. With the context of the prison industrial complex, how we see cities/ police deal with unhoused people, and the school to prison pipeline in poor communities its easy to see how forcing people to have children can guarantee a larger labor source. Privileged people are still going to get abortions when needed like others have said. Capitalists in power want the poor to stay poor and need a lot of disadvantaged people to keep the whole machine running
VTshredder69abortion is a choice. Just like using protection is a choice. Or getting hammered and getting railed by a dude then saying he raped you.
If you're selfish enough to kill your own baby you have made the choice to be a selfish piece of shit.
not gonna get into it with you about abortion but you're an actual scumbag for downplaying rape. genuinely concerned for the women in your life if this is your worldview
cyphersnot gonna get into it with you about abortion but you're an actual scumbag for downplaying rape. genuinely concerned for the women in your life if this is your worldview
If he is actually vocal about these views in real life I can almost guarantee that there are no women in his life, romantic or platonic. He probably just keeps in inside publically because he knows that any woman with an ounce of self respect will see him for the absolute piece of dog shit that he is if he were to say that shit out loud.
VTshredder69abortion is a choice. Just like using protection is a choice. Or getting hammered and getting railed by a dude then saying he raped you.
If you're selfish enough to kill your own baby you have made the choice to be a selfish piece of shit.
Tldr: read my word vomit. It's good stuff.
Abortion by choice for bad decisions aside, let's revisit rape. I would say the ED I work at has at least 2-3 people each night, some more some less, who visit because they were sexually assaulted. 1 in 5 women receive attempted or completed rape in the US (source: CDC), and if you think these guys use condoms often, they dont....Rapevictims get the whole gambit of antibiotics, antivirals, and Plan B or Ella...10 pills and an IM injection to be exact. What happens when those people get pregnant? Plan B and Ella aren't 100% effective. If they're on oral contraceptives (because newsflash to religious hardliners, birth control pills do more than just prevent pregnancy), we can't give them Ella because it actually increases risk of pregnancy. Plan B is only good for 72hrs and it's not uncommon for people to show up later. Efficacy for emergency contraceptives is in the high 90 percent. If you're obese, the failure rate of these emergency contraceptives drops dramatically. Who'd wanna rape a fat chick? Idk but they do. What about the 3% who fail emergency contraception? Do we say tough luck, enjoy your rape baby, if you don't die giving birth (700/yr in the US)? Minorities have a higher risk of death during pregnancy and are also the biggest at risk group if abortion was banned.
So tell me what happens when those people get pregnant because of rape. They should have the baby right? The anti abortion bill in Ohio right now doesn't even give exclusions to these people. Quite surreal for a state that's generally pretty moderate and flip flops from election to election.
Absolutely fucking ridiculous that people think they have any place dictating this. Take a look at the map below from 5/3/22. Most states already are in line with age of viability; if someone wants to make a cutoff at viability then sure because that's plenty of fucking time. Otherwise what's the point of getting your jimmies in a bind for an aborted fetus (because it's not a fucking baby yet), that if given birth right now would never survive. And I'm not gonna go down the rabbit hole of premature neonatal care and outcomes but it's not like they're all perfectly healthy or all live to leave the NICU. Age of viability is 22-24 weeks. I've seen a 22w patient but that's literally a miracle to survive with good outcomes and not be a patient with more health problems than a 90yo.
You really should just focus on things that affect you.
HypeBeastTldr: read my word vomit. It's good stuff.
Abortion by choice for bad decisions aside, let's revisit rape. I would say the ED I work at has at least 2-3 people each night, some more some less, who visit because they were sexually assaulted. 1 in 5 women receive attempted or completed rape in the US (source: CDC), and if you think these guys use condoms often, they dont.... Rape victims get the whole gambit of antibiotics, antivirals, and Plan B or Ella...10 pills and an IM injection to be exact. What happens when those people get pregnant? Plan B and Ella aren't 100% effective. If they're on oral contraceptives (because newsflash to religious hardliners, birth control pills do more than just prevent pregnancy), we can't give them Ella because it actually increases risk of pregnancy. Plan B is only good for 72hrs and it's not uncommon for people to show up later. Efficacy for emergency contraceptives is in the high 90 percent. If you're obese, the failure rate of these emergency contraceptives drops dramatically. Who'd wanna rape a fat chick? Idk but they do. What about the 3% who fail emergency contraception? Do we say tough luck, enjoy your rape baby, if you don't die giving birth (700/yr in the US)? Minorities have a higher risk of death during pregnancy and are also the biggest at risk group if abortion was banned.
So tell me what happens when those people get pregnant because of rape. They should have the baby right? The anti abortion bill in Ohio right now doesn't even give exclusions to these people. Quite surreal for a state that's generally pretty moderate and flip flops from election to election.
Absolutely fucking ridiculous that people think they have any place dictating this. Take a look at the map below from 5/3/22. Most states already are in line with age of viability; if someone wants to make a cutoff at viability then sure because that's plenty of fucking time. Otherwise what's the point of getting your jimmies in a bind for an aborted fetus (because it's not a fucking baby yet), that if given birth right now would never survive. And I'm not gonna go down the rabbit hole of premature neonatal care and outcomes but it's not like they're all perfectly healthy or all live to leave the NICU. Age of viability is 22-24 weeks. I've seen a 22w patient but that's literally a miracle to survive with good outcomes and not be a patient with more health problems than a 90yo.
You really should just focus on things that affect you.
Edit: one last thing, if abortion is banned, roughly 150 more women will die in childbirth. The maternal birth death rate is 23.8/100,000 live births (doesn't even count the still births, where complications certainly happen), and in 2019 (last reported data CDC) there were ~630k abortions in the US. Safe to assume that number was higher in 2021.
Also funny to see all the anticovid people against abortion, yet covid killed over a million Americans. The saving life that isn't even viable argument is humorous if you consider we didn't wanna save people who were actually living with decades left.
**This post was edited on May 5th 2022 at 6:25:35pm
yungonaAll you people who are advocating for abortion will burn in a lake of fire for all of eternity if you do not repent.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you
VTshredder69And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you
Amen. There will not be one stone resting upon another that will not be thrown down.
Yeah here's my speculation on what happens if Roe is indeed struck down when all is said and done...
Evangelical Christian ruled states will make abortion illegal and lawmakers there will define it as murder like the 17th century.. Sharia Law will infect every deep-red state where the state courts are in line with their trash-ass legislatures...
Other states with progressive majorities from the 21st century will maintain the status quo and codify right to privacy protections such as abortion into state law..
and then we will have a whole bunch of weird-ass attempts from the Sharia states to try to block pregnant people from leaving across state lines, followed by different charities and other organizations who work to transport people out of state to obtain abortions and other reproductive healthcare - such as obtaining different forms of contraception/IUD implants etc..
It could in some ways, become a new version of the 1850s where people were smuggled out of the south to become free in the north...
Sharia states and the trash humans who rule them will bitch about states like California, Illinois, and New York and accuse them of circumventing their shitty laws, and it will become one massive political kerfuffle that will distract everyone from the real issues at hand - Billionaires are getting richer while the rest of us aren't getting shit. We should be taxing the ass out of them because they don't work any harder than the rest of us, and workers in every industry should be unionizing HARD against these fucksticks.
VTshredder69And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you
yungonaAmen. There will not be one stone resting upon another that will not be thrown down.
I know in my brain you guys are both downvote seeking trolls, but I don't understand how someone has the free time to think of the correct thing, and use the effort to type down the opposite every time.
EightsailsI know in my brain you guys are both downvote seeking trolls, but I don't understand how someone has the free time to think of the correct thing, and use the effort to type down the opposite every time.
You need better hobbies.
The “correct” thing being murdering innocent children? The other guy might be joking but I’m not. You are a sick fuck if you think abortion should ever be allowed in any case.
