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My brother and I mounted his pivots crooked, should he remount?

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Logi
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Didn't know if I should put this in GT or not so I just put it in SG. My brother just got new skis and we messed up on the mount job, making the the toe pieces duck footed when facing into each other, and penguin footed when facing out from each other. Unfortunately, this wasn't a shop's fault so he can't get new skis or anything like that. Should he try to remount 2 cm back and plug the old holes, or is it fine the way it is? The heel pieces aren't crooked.

This is definitely a sign to triple check if you're gonna mount your own bindings btw.









Aug 2 2021 1:41AM
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Treegrabber
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I mean it’ll work but if it bothers u remount
personally it would annoy me every time I look at them so I would remount
Aug 2 2021 1:53AM
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Logi
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TreegrabberI mean it’ll work but if it bothers u remount
personally it would annoy me every time I look at them so I would remount


True, you think it could cause any knee injuries or something like that tho?
Aug 2 2021 1:55AM
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Treegrabber
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LogiTrue, you think it could cause any knee injuries or something like that tho?

Nah bruh u Prly won’t notice
Aug 2 2021 2:00AM
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Ghini
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Since Pivots have a rotating heel it will be interesting to see if the boots will line up straight or not. My guess is the boots will fit in fine, although possibly in an angle, but the release will be off. There will be more force on one side and / or you will release quicker on one side. Not something you want. It sucks but just remount. You could see if you could get things straight by remounting on inserts that are placed in the same holes but then straight, I know from experience this can be done but it is not easy to do and it depends on how off angle the holes are now. Otherwise you would have to remount a cm off current holes..
Aug 2 2021 2:23AM
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Logi
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GhiniSince Pivots have a rotating heel it will be interesting to see if the boots will line up straight or not. My guess is the boots will fit in fine, although possibly in an angle, but the release will be off. There will be more force on one side and / or you will release quicker on one side. Not something you want. It sucks but just remount. You could see if you could get things straight by remounting on inserts that are placed in the same holes but then straight, I know from experience this can be done but it is not easy to do and it depends on how off angle the holes are now. Otherwise you would have to remount a cm off current holes..


Yeah, I'll see tomorrow if the boots fit straight to the ski. I'm pretty sure they do, but you never know.
Aug 2 2021 2:40AM
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keagan.karstens
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I did this to an old pair when I first learned how to mount my own shit and they skied just fine for me so u should be good
Aug 2 2021 3:21AM
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Jems
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That likely won’t matter at all since like 2 of my pairs of skis had crooked bindings that weren’t pivots
Aug 2 2021 5:21AM
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TOAST.
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GhiniSince Pivots have a rotating heel it will be interesting to see if the boots will line up straight or not. My guess is the boots will fit in fine, although possibly in an angle, but the release will be off. There will be more force on one side and / or you will release quicker on one side. Not something you want. It sucks but just remount. You could see if you could get things straight by remounting on inserts that are placed in the same holes but then straight, I know from experience this can be done but it is not easy to do and it depends on how off angle the holes are now. Otherwise you would have to remount a cm off current holes..

The rotating heel really wont make much of a difference than a standard heal piece, the toe will still not be properly seated in the binding.
I did something similar on the first pair of bindings I mounted and let them go and I was fine, but now that I am older I would 100% remount.
Aug 2 2021 7:04AM
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MiIfHunter
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Lol a “certified mounter”
Aug 2 2021 7:32AM
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Phatboy64
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I would be concerned about release more so then how it skis…
Aug 2 2021 9:14AM
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colorado_frenchy
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Remount 1 cm back, not worth taking the risk of blowing up a knee
Aug 2 2021 10:15AM
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DesertStix
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Not sure why this got downvoted. It’s the most accurate and concise response in the whole thread.
colorado_frenchyRemount 1 cm back, not worth taking the risk of blowing up a knee
Aug 2 2021 10:51AM
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Casey
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People mount duck stanced, I have no idea why it sounds sketchy as fuck, and also usually on purpose. If it were me I would try again 1 cm forward or back
Aug 2 2021 1:55PM
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SofaKingSick
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take this with a grain of salt (and ideally, take the whole setup for a release test) but i had a pair that the tech mounted like that and i didn't even notice for months. left em and didn't notice any difference...YMMV
Aug 2 2021 2:01PM
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SofaKingSick
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take this with a grain of salt (and ideally, take the whole setup for a release test) but i had a pair that the tech mounted like that and i didn't even notice for months. left em and didn't notice any difference...YMMV
Aug 2 2021 2:01PM
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Schoess
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For the sake of your health and safety I would recommend bringing them to your local reputable shop and get them mounted properly homie. It's not worth the risk imo
Aug 2 2021 2:45PM
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No.Quarter
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SchoessFor the sake of your health and safety I would recommend bringing them to your local reputable shop and get them mounted properly homie. It's not worth the risk imo


inb4 a local reputable shop completely fucks up the remount
Aug 2 2021 3:03PM
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Schoess
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No.Quarterinb4 a local reputable shop completely fucks up the remount


reputable was put there for a reason
Aug 2 2021 5:43PM
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Logi
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Alright thanks everyone for their inputs, very helpful. We decided we're gonna remount for visual pleasure and so my brother doesn't take any chances to blow out his knee. I'll post the results later today or tomorrow if anyone is interested.
Aug 2 2021 6:28PM
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Vishnuwettest189
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i wouldnt remount, the heel pivots so its chill. Also easier to carve into ramps
Aug 2 2021 6:50PM
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mrk127
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Vishnuwettest189i wouldnt remount, the heel pivots so its chill. Also easier to carve into ramps


Carve into ramps?
Aug 3 2021 1:45AM
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colorado_frenchy
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Vishnuwettest189i wouldnt remount, the heel pivots so its chill. Also easier to carve into ramps


Doesn't change anything, still gonna be a little bit misaligned.
Aug 3 2021 1:50AM
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Mainah
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Oof. One of the rubber feet slipped off the jig when you drilled it eh? I have made the same mistake on skis that were not mine lol. Tough to tell from the pics but looking at the offset you might not even feel it when riding. Safety would be the real concern. If you take it to a (not corporate) shop with some knowledgeable people, they can likely test the release for you. They won't "sign off" on the bindings or mount, but if the torque required to release is the same in both directions with your boot, I would let it ride.

Remount will be a pain in the ass. The hole pattern in the heel piece of the pivot is so tightly spaced and the heelpiece has such limited forward pressure adjustment you will probably need to move them 2-3cm to redrill - which is shitty if you're trying to ride a center mount ski.
Aug 3 2021 12:19PM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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you are cursed to only spin right now
Aug 3 2021 1:04PM
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S.Ki
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first thing you could do before remounting, using inserts or taking them to a shop is taking the binding of. Make sure there is no dust or crumble in the holes, clean the holes (with air or simply turning your topsheet downwards and slapping the base a few times). After that you apply wood-glue and reapply the toe-pieces. But make sure you screw in the screws in a straight way and by evenly distributing forces all over the toe piece. You can do this by screwing in the top right and bottom left screw (or vice versa) first. Only turn them once or twice to make them sit in place. Put in the top left and bottom right screws afterwards and turn them once or twice as well. Make sure all screws go in straight and then screw them down carefully. You could do this by turning each screw once and then restart this circle till the toe-piece is remounted. If your drilling/measuring fuck-up is not too big this could already put the toe-piece in a straighter, slightly less crooked position.

I've had the same issue once and this process solved it for me so maybe it could help you as well.

**This post was edited on Aug 3rd 2021 at 4:24:16pm
Aug 3 2021 4:23PM
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Logi
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S.Kifirst thing you could do before remounting, using inserts or taking them to a shop is taking the binding of. Make sure there is no dust or crumble in the holes, clean the holes (with air or simply turning your topsheet downwards and slapping the base a few times). After that you apply wood-glue and reapply the toe-pieces. But make sure you screw in the screws in a straight way and by evenly distributing forces all over the toe piece. You can do this by screwing in the top right and bottom left screw (or vice versa) first. Only turn them once or twice to make them sit in place. Put in the top left and bottom right screws afterwards and turn them once or twice as well. Make sure all screws go in straight and then screw them down carefully. You could do this by turning each screw once and then restart this circle till the toe-piece is remounted. If your drilling/measuring fuck-up is not too big this could already put the toe-piece in a straighter, slightly less crooked position.

I've had the same issue once and this process solved it for me so maybe it could help you as well.

**This post was edited on Aug 3rd 2021 at 4:24:16pm


Yeah, thanks, I'll try it out
Aug 3 2021 4:30PM
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colorado_frenchy
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@Logi I'm curious, did you use a jig or paper template?
Aug 3 2021 5:09PM
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Logi
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colorado_frenchy@Logi I'm curious, did you use a jig or paper template?


I didn’t use template per say, followed this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N-JeCJFzVgs&feature=youtu.be
Aug 3 2021 5:11PM
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colorado_frenchy
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LogiI didn’t use template per say, followed this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N-JeCJFzVgs&feature=youtu.be


Yikes, no wonder your bindings got tilted, he doesn't show how he's centering left and right his masking tape and I got the feeling he's kinda freestyling it :/
Aug 3 2021 5:36PM
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Logi
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colorado_frenchyYikes, no wonder your bindings got tilted, he doesn't show how he's centering left and right his masking tape and I got the feeling he's kinda freestyling it :/


Yeah, that’s definitely how it happened. We badly found the left-right center of the ski and it was most likely off
Aug 3 2021 6:43PM
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Paul.
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LogiI didn’t use template per say, followed this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N-JeCJFzVgs&feature=youtu.be


Lol what a sketchy tutorial. You should have clicked away the second he said he mounts all his skis dead center no matter what ski it is. Also no wood glue is a great way get water in your core
Aug 3 2021 9:48PM
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colorado_frenchy
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Paul.Lol what a sketchy tutorial. You should have clicked away the second he said he mounts all his skis dead center no matter what ski it is. Also no wood glue is a great way get water in your core


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Aug 3 2021 11:09PM
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Logi
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Paul.Lol what a sketchy tutorial. You should have clicked away the second he said he mounts all his skis dead center no matter what ski it is. Also no wood glue is a great way get water in your core


Yeah, in hindsight that's definitely true. Gonna go with a template next time
Aug 4 2021 12:19AM
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Logi
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colorado_frenchyYikes, no wonder your bindings got tilted, he doesn't show how he's centering left and right his masking tape and I got the feeling he's kinda freestyling it :/


Btw what is the best way to find the left-right center, and the front-back center of a ski? I've heard the paper method works not so great, and it didn't work so great when I tried it, I might be wrong tho
Aug 4 2021 12:55AM
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colorado_frenchy
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LogiBtw what is the best way to find the left-right center, and the front-back center of a ski? I've heard the paper method works not so great, and it didn't work so great when I tried it, I might be wrong tho

Yeah the paper method doesn't work great.



I put 3 strips of masking tape on the ski (so I can draw on it), and then I use this tool.

Set the length to something like 2mm greater than the waist of the ski divided by 2. (ie, for a ski with 102 waist I set it to ~53)

Then go along the edges on both sides to draw 2 arcs that should cross.

Grab a long ruler and draw a line using the two points where the arcs are crossing, and you have your vertical centerline.



Note: this only work with skis that have symmetrical side cuts, which is 99.99% of skis out there (Only the K2s Catamaran and Marksman comes to my mind as exceptions)
Aug 4 2021 2:07AM
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SofaKingSick
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colorado_frenchyNote: this only work with skis that have symmetrical side cuts, which is 99.99% of skis out there (Only the K2s Catamaran and Marksman comes to my mind as exceptions)


*symmetrical in terms of side to side, not tip vs tail. just in case that trips anyone up, i got confused recently when someone was talking about this newer/different kind of asymmetry
Aug 4 2021 11:15AM
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anders_a
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jigs
Aug 5 2021 5:12AM
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jca
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Templates:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/153971-Binding-Mount-Paper-Templates

Instructions for finding your centreline and a paper guide you can print out:
https://www.slidewright.com/finding-your-skis-centerline/
https://www.slidewright.com/resources/ski-center-ruler.pdf
Aug 6 2021 12:01PM
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mrk127
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Yea that guy in the tutorial is no expert at mounting bindings, that's for sure. His drill bit with tape probably wasn't the sketchiest thing he did but I say you should also just get a ski specific drill bit, they are like $15. Make sure you do some research and get the right diameter and depth for your ski.
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