Pro Skiers - Climate Change

little1337Do airplanes and helicopters really produce that much pollution? Genuinely curious I have no idea but the other day I found out that there are 314 Cruise ships in use right now which every day produce the same amount of particulate matter as 1 million cars isnt that nuts?

WoFlowzYeah it is a little hypocritical but what we really should do is hold be corporations who produce something like 70 percent of the worlds carbon emission accountable. This idea it’s the consumers fault is stupid IMO. not saying taking healthy measures to lower your impact is bad but I really don’t think it’s the average persons fault.

WoFlowzYeah it is a little hypocritical but what we really should do is hold be corporations who produce something like 70 percent of the worlds carbon emission accountable. This idea it’s the consumers fault is stupid IMO. not saying taking healthy measures to lower your impact is bad but I really don’t think it’s the average persons fault.

CaseyThe way I look at it is like, every pro athlete in the world could stop traveling tomorrow and it wouldn’t make any hint of the slightest difference in global CO2 levels so whatever let it burn

snowfinderPOW pays athletes to say these things, look at what rock star athletes do for $. I understand that athletes need funding but when are you like okay this is wack?

pinkcamo1000It's been revealed recently that the "carbon credits" people have been selling to rich people so they can offset their carbon footprint are a bunch of bullshit and actually do nothing.

a lot of pro skiers have been using these type of carbon offsets to justify their lifestyle. It's bullshit.

if you want to ski more sustainably, don't go on ski trips on the other side of the planet. It's simple.

SofaKingSicki don't know a ton about POW but why would you have an issue with athletes representing them? POW says they focus on legislation and awareness, and legislation is literally the only way to address things as big-scale as climate. that and technology

BrandoComandoI think some people in this thread have a misunderstanding about POW. You're right on the mark here. POW isn't about personal change. They're a smart organization and understand that real change happens at a policy level. Changing emissions standards, stricter energy regulations, protecting wilderness, etc. Closing a coal power plant in favor of green energy solutions is exponentially better for the planet than a single individual could ever do on their own. POW sponsors athletes to raise awareness for their organization, which in turn gives them more sway in Congress. Sponsoring a ski movie that gets thousands of views and might get a few more active members is a huge win for the organization. Tommy Caldwell said in an interview with Blister that politicians love outdoor films, and it makes climate issues much more relatable to them.

It's not very helpful to nitpick an organization that's actively doing good. It's literally impossible to live and work a climate neutral life in 2021. But POW has a track record of getting closer to that goal. Speak out against the hundreds of other industries with zero climate agenda. When people call them out, vote, and spend wisely, you can force mega corporations to change their ways

BradFiAusNzCoCaFor real. Carbon credits have been a load of shit for a long time. It’s how places like Vail Resorts are “100% sustainable” “Zero emissions”. Plus, a ton of companies shuffle them around and sell them so it’s all smoke and mirrors.


Sidenote on POW: I did a birthday fundraiser on FB for them one time. I think I raised like $200NZD (so maybe $130USD?) and they sent me a POW insulated tumbler cup thing so that was pretty cool. I think every POW event I’ve ever been to has been pretty cool too. I should look more into what they’re actually doing.

r00kieSo half of what you gave went into sending you some merch. Got it.

WormracerStill trying to figure out what people they are convincing, and lobbying. And how having influencers fly around the world is going to sway a Republican congress person. Again registering people to vote is awesome but they are pandering to a base that is already behind climate change.

BradFiAusNzCoCaI wouldn’t say that. It was like a $5 thing

r00kieI was envisioning a Yeti style thing lol. Whoops.

BrandoComandoMany mountain communities exist in Republican-controlled states. Republicans are hesitant to talk about climate change, but they care a lot about jobs and the economy. Winter sports are a massive economic driver and job creator, and POW uses that to get into the doors of politicians on both sides of the aisle. I copied a little blurb from their website from a recent lobbying effort.

“Climate change shouldn’t be a partisan issue and we know that bipartisan action will be necessary to address our warming winters,” said Mario Molina, Executive Director of Protect Our Winters. “With that we met with both Republicans and Democrats, encouraging all Members of Congress to join the bipartisan Climate Solutions Caucus. Representatives from mountain states have a clear reason to lead this caucus, as warming winters threaten the economies of their districts.”

"Delegations from Protect Our Winters were able to meet with the offices of Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Susan Collins (R-ME), Michael Bennet (D-CO), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Cory Gardner (R-CO), Dean Heller (R-NV), Ed Markey (D-MA), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Ron Walden (D-OR), and Jon Tester (D-MT)."

"On the House side, they met with Mia Love (R, UT-04), Elise Stefanik (R, NY-21), Greg Walden (R, OR-02), Peter Welch (D, VT At Large), Suzanne Bonamici (D, OR-01), John Curtis (R, UT-3), Don Beyer (D, VA-8), Jared Polis (D, CO-2), Mike Simpson (R, ID-02), Curbelo (R, FL-26) and Scott Tipton (R, CO-03)."

"Congresswoman Ann McLane Kuster (D, NH-02), who co-chairs the Congressional Ski and Snowboard Caucus and is a member of the Climate Solutions Caucus, hosted a reception where Members of Congress and their staff could meet the athletes and learn more about climate change’s impact on snow sports. “It’s about jobs and it’s about the economy,” said Rep. Ann McLane Kuster, D-N.H., at a Capitol Hill reception. “Global warming is putting 191,000 snow sports jobs at risk”, she said."

“Coming from Maine, we don’t have a fossil fuel industry, but we do have important snow sports and outdoor industry. So our representatives are in a great place to have a voice on clean energy and climate,” said snowboarder Seth Wescott. “The experience of coming to D.C. and having these conversations is important to me. As a constituent, I can use my platform as an Olympic athlete to try to influence my representatives to do the right thing.”

SofaKingSicki don't know a ton about POW but why would you have an issue with athletes representing them? POW says they focus on legislation and awareness, and legislation is literally the only way to address things as big-scale as climate. that and technology

WormracerCool story. They basically spent donated money, and expensed fossil fuels to do what? Try, and fail to lobby on bills that end up going mainly party line? That press release basically says, "We talked with low level employee's of Congress people about climate change, and nothing happened".

Do you really think a Republican congress person will vote against the rest of the party to push an agenda brought up my AOC? Do you think a Republican that might be on the fence is going to be tilted by some white women flying to Europe to go ski and post it on IG? No is the correct answer.

They are pandering to a base of people that already believe in climate change, and want to fix it. Not only that but who the fuck doesn't know about climate change?

All that shit aside you can't ignore the fact that they have branded influencers taking planes to promote the fight against climate change. Clown shit son.

BrandoComandoSay what you want, but POW is in Washington lobbying real politicians about real political issues. They've successfully sponsored a number of political agendas on local, state, and federal levels. Stuff like vehicle emissions standards, expanding state commitments for clean energy, and holding POW-allied brands accountable. They've helped register over half a million voters in the 2018 and 2020 elections. That "pandering to a base of people that already believe in climate change" has turned those people into actual voters, not just silent believers. Sure, some of their brand ambassadors are stupid influencers, but that's not what the organization is about and they have a history of real change.

WormracerLobbying for climate change in Washington state is like pouring water into the ocean. Democrats have the majority by decent numbers in state congress and a Dem governor. They picked a Dem state to take a stand on Dem issues. Righteous.

BrandoComandoSay what you want, but POW is in Washington lobbying real politicians about real political issues. They've successfully sponsored a number of political agendas on local, state, and federal levels. Stuff like vehicle emissions standards, expanding state commitments for clean energy, and holding POW-allied brands accountable. They've helped register over half a million voters in the 2018 and 2020 elections. That "pandering to a base of people that already believe in climate change" has turned those people into actual voters, not just silent believers. Sure, some of their brand ambassadors are stupid influencers, but that's not what the organization is about and they have a history of real change.

WormracerHalf a million voters? Definitely not. How are they counting that?

They talked with reps from the offices of these real politicians. What is an example of them meeting with a Republican and having them change their stance on a bill based on that interaction. Find me one senator that isn't Susan Collins that doesn't vote party line on environment bills.

BrandoComandoHere is my source:
https://protectourwinters.org/2018-in-review/

"We engaged 580,997 people in the election process by registering and pledging voters, then providing them the tools needed to make informed decisions at the polls"


Here's a great example from the first republican office they met with:
https://www.murkowski.senate.gov/press/release/senators-introduce-bill-to-combat-impacts-of-climate-change-

"Surrounding Capitol Hill Ocean Week, Senate Oceans Caucus co-chairs U.S. Senators Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) today introduced legislation focused on protecting and utilizing blue carbon. The Blue Carbon for Our Planet Act highlights the habitats that continue to remove carbon out of our atmosphere, helping to combat the impacts of climate change. Blue carbon refers to carbon dioxide that is naturally captured and stored by the world’s ocean and coastal ecosystems—one of Earth’s ways of reducing carbon in our atmosphere."

snowfinderNo $$$ is the only way to address big scale as climate. Really think pow is going to change minds over someone getting a huge check for their next campaign?

BrandoComandoHere is my source:
https://protectourwinters.org/2018-in-review/

"We engaged 580,997 people in the election process by registering and pledging voters, then providing them the tools needed to make informed decisions at the polls"


Here's a great example from the first republican office they met with:
https://www.murkowski.senate.gov/press/release/senators-introduce-bill-to-combat-impacts-of-climate-change-

"Surrounding Capitol Hill Ocean Week, Senate Oceans Caucus co-chairs U.S. Senators Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) today introduced legislation focused on protecting and utilizing blue carbon. The Blue Carbon for Our Planet Act highlights the habitats that continue to remove carbon out of our atmosphere, helping to combat the impacts of climate change. Blue carbon refers to carbon dioxide that is naturally captured and stored by the world’s ocean and coastal ecosystems—one of Earth’s ways of reducing carbon in our atmosphere."

SofaKingSicki honestly don't know what you and wormracer are even suggesting, it just comes off as ankle biting because if your opinion is "fuck it, this is useless" then what's your suggestion? these athletes' plane flights will not make an appreciable difference to the climate issue, if that's your concern. only federal-level legislation will

little1337Do airplanes and helicopters really produce that much pollution? Genuinely curious I have no idea but the other day I found out that there are 314 Cruise ships in use right now which every day produce the same amount of particulate matter as 1 million cars isnt that nuts?

r00kiethe 580,000 is straight PR talk. If that is how many they registered, they would have said it bluntly, instead they throw out the number with a bunch of different activities that add up to the sum of 580,000.

Also, rant, political advocacy has to the most inefficient way of creating change in society, at least from a resource perspective. For example, look at the the Right to Life campaign. (Not turning this into an abortion debate, just using the example.) The claimed goal is to create an end to abortion. Okay, so they dedicate their entire thing to politics that after decades have accomplished absolutely nothing. If they had used the millions on millions of dollars used to elect officials on actually helping individuals facing the abortion decision and providing resources or alternatives to them, they would have saved countless lives. Same can be true for environmental causes. Point is, politicians will always be politicians, they will vote party line 99% of the time. and individuals will largely vote for their favorite team as well.

WoFlowzYeah it is a little hypocritical but what we really should do is hold be corporations who produce something like 70 percent of the worlds carbon emission accountable. This idea it’s the consumers fault is stupid IMO. not saying taking healthy measures to lower your impact is bad but I really don’t think it’s the average persons fault.

pinkcamo1000While I agree with this 100%, it is worth noting that everybody's individual actions do add up. Look at what happened in the early days of the pandemic: co2 emissions and other pollutants dropped dramatically because people were moving around so much less.

so am I going to be critical of somebody for driving their car to their local ski hill? No. That's just somebody living their life. Am I going to be critical of somebody who goes on ski trips to japan and the alps every ski season? Yes, that is an excessive lifestyle in my opinion.

X_ANKILLAClimate Change is merely a Hegelian Dialectic.
Step 1: CAUSE PROBLEM/ MAKE ONE UP
Step 2: FEAR MONGER
Step 3: PROPOSE "SOLUTION" THAT REPLACES LIBERTIES WITH AUTHORITARIANISM.

The People/ Institutions that Perpetuate "Climate Change" have direct financial ties with the Entities doing the most Pollution & Environmental Damage. WAKE TF UP & FOLLOW THE PAPER TRAIL.

X_ANKILLAClimate Change is merely a Hegelian Dialectic.
Step 1: CAUSE PROBLEM/ MAKE ONE UP
Step 2: FEAR MONGER
Step 3: PROPOSE "SOLUTION" THAT REPLACES LIBERTIES WITH AUTHORITARIANISM.

The People/ Institutions that Perpetuate "Climate Change" have direct financial ties with the Entities doing the most Pollution & Environmental Damage. WAKE TF UP & FOLLOW THE PAPER TRAIL.