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Derek Chauvin Trial

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AndrewGravesSV
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Verdict drops in a few hours. Fun fact, Chauvin already agreed to plea guilty to third degree murder charges but William Barr denied it. It would be pretty insane for him to catch anything but a murder charge considering there is video of George Floyd being murdered.

The real question, is will people be too stoned to riot??
Apr 20 2021 4:31PM
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AndrewGravesSV
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gorbdawggybrenthe deserved punishment
but there was reasonable doubt, a lot


Reasonable doubt of what? We have video of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck for 9+ minutes while he constantly says he can't breathe before he passes out and dies. The biggest charge of second degree murder doesn't even require that Chauvin intended to kill him, only that Chauvin intended to assault him and that Floyd sustained substantial bodily harm.
Apr 21 2021 3:53PM
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gorbdawggybrent
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AndrewGravesSVReasonable doubt of what? We have video of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck for 9+ minutes while he constantly says he can't breathe before he passes out and dies. The biggest charge of second degree murder doesn't even require that Chauvin intended to kill him, only that Chauvin intended to assault him and that Floyd sustained substantial bodily harm.



-floyd saying he couldn’t breathe while he was in the car and before he was even on the ground
-chewed up pills on the ground of the squad car
-witnesses testifying that the knee was on his back and not the neck at times during the 9 minutes
-that position being an approved MPD submission position that has been used hundreds of times in the last year alone
-the use of force expert testifying that that force was justified
-and of course enough fentanyl to kill a horse in his system

and that’s just off the top of my head

im guessing you haven’t seen the full video or the trial??

**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2021 at 4:12:29pm
Apr 21 2021 4:11PM
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zues
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gorbdawggybrent-floyd saying he couldn’t breathe while he was in the car and before he was even on the ground
-chewed up pills on the ground of the squad car
-witnesses testifying that the knee was on his back and not the neck at times during the 9 minutes
-that position being an approved MPD submission position that has been used hundreds of times in the last year alone
-the use of force expert testifying that that force was justified
-and of course enough fentanyl to kill a horse in his system

and that’s just off the top of my head

im guessing you haven’t seen the full video or the trial??

**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2021 at 4:12:29pm


Nobody who watches the news has seen the real story.
Apr 21 2021 5:15PM
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little1337
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zuesNobody who watches the news has seen the real story.


I only get my news from the radio on GTA
Apr 21 2021 5:16PM
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gorbdawggybrent
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zuesNobody who watches the news has seen the real story.

seems like everyone on this thread watched the original 9 min video and didn’t care to learn anything else
Apr 21 2021 5:19PM
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vibecheck
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gorbdawggybrentseems like everyone on this thread watched the original 9 min video and didn’t care to learn anything else


🥂🥂🥂based
Apr 21 2021 5:21PM
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zues
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at least we've all learned our lesson from this.

ALL COPS ARE BAD AND ARE MURDERERS.
Apr 21 2021 5:37PM
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BrandoComando
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gorbdawggybrent-floyd saying he couldn’t breathe while he was in the car and before he was even on the ground
-chewed up pills on the ground of the squad car
-witnesses testifying that the knee was on his back and not the neck at times during the 9 minutes
-that position being an approved MPD submission position that has been used hundreds of times in the last year alone
-the use of force expert testifying that that force was justified
-and of course enough fentanyl to kill a horse in his system

and that’s just off the top of my head

im guessing you haven’t seen the full video or the trial??

**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2021 at 4:12:29pm


All your bullet points are a blind regurgitation of the defense. The defense's use of force expert is a sham. He's been used in multiple police brutality cases in the past to defend police murders. Same goes for the "medical expert" who testified for the defense.

The prosecution had multiple use of force experts, including Chauvin's own police chief, testify that "Chauvin used excessive force and violated a number of department policies he had been trained in." The medical examiner who performed Flyod's autopsy testified "that fentanyl and heart disease were contributing factors but that the police officers' actions were the main cause." The prosecution had 11 days and 38 witnesses to support their point. The defense had 2 days and 7 witnesses. The results were overwhelmingly obvious.

If you're going to accuse someone of not watching the trial, maybe you should watch and research it yourself. Only showing half of the story to further your agenda is extremely biased
Apr 21 2021 5:54PM
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gorbdawggybrent
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BrandoComandoAll your bullet points are a blind regurgitation of the defense. The defense's use of force expert is a sham. He's been used in multiple police brutality cases in the past to defend police murders. Same goes for the "medical expert" who testified for the defense.

The prosecution had multiple use of force experts, including Chauvin's own police chief, testify that "Chauvin used excessive force and violated a number of department policies he had been trained in." The medical examiner who performed Flyod's autopsy testified "that fentanyl and heart disease were contributing factors but that the police officers' actions were the main cause." The prosecution had 11 days and 38 witnesses to support their point. The defense had 2 days and 7 witnesses. The results were overwhelmingly obvious.

If you're going to accuse someone of not watching the trial, maybe you should watch and research it yourself. Only showing half of the story to further your agenda is extremely biased

i’m not saying the officer wasn’t in the wrong, but i don’t think that it was murder
what they should have done is forced him into the car when they had the chance and he would likely be alive today
listening to the prosecution it sounded like they were suggesting that the cops should’ve only done things if Floyd was ok with them

i think that the mob controlled the jury and the jury would have been terrorized if they did anything but convict

the judges decision to not move the trial is a clear example that it was not a fair trial

he is guilty, but not of murder
Apr 21 2021 6:16PM
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BrandoComando
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gorbdawggybrenti’m not saying the officer wasn’t in the wrong, but i don’t think that it was murder
what they should have done is forced him into the car when they had the chance and he would likely be alive today
listening to the prosecution it sounded like they were suggesting that the cops should’ve only done things if Floyd was ok with them

i think that the mob controlled the jury and the jury would have been terrorized if they did anything but convict

the judges decision to not move the trial is a clear example that it was not a fair trial

he is guilty, but not of murder

You contradict yourself and it sounds like you don't understand the charges. Chauvin wasn't accused of first-degree murder. There are lots of other ways you can go to jail for causing someone's death - aka guilty, but not of murder

WHAT'S SECOND-DEGREE UNINTENTIONAL MURDER?

It's also called felony murder. To prove this count, prosecutors had to show that Chauvin killed Floyd while committing or trying to commit a felony — in this case, third-degree assault. They didn't have to prove Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, only that he intended to apply unlawful force that caused bodily harm.

Prosecutors called several medical experts who testified that Floyd died from a lack of oxygen because of the way he was restrained. A use of force expert also said it was unreasonable to hold Floyd in the prone position for 9 minutes, 29 seconds, handcuffed and face-down.

WHAT ABOUT THIRD-DEGREE MURDER?

For this count, jurors had to find Chauvin caused Floyd's death through an action that was “eminently dangerous” and carried out with a reckless disregard for and conscious indifference to the loss of life.

Mark Osler, a professor at University of St. Thomas School of Law, said prosecutors tried to prove this through testimony about the dangers of subduing a handcuffed person in the prone position. A medical expert testified about how the restraint would have killed a healthy person, and a police use-of-force trainer testified that officers are trained to avoid the neck when possible.

AND SECOND-DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER?

Prosecutors had to show that Chauvin caused Floyd's death through culpable negligence that created an unreasonable risk, and that he consciously took the chance of causing severe injury or death.

Testimony that revealed Chauvin should have known to put Floyd in a side recovery position, that he should have provided medical care before paramedics arrived and that he stayed in his position after he was told Floyd didn't have a pulse could all point to negligence, said former U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger.
Apr 21 2021 6:26PM
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Lonely
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gorbdawggybrentseems like everyone on this thread watched the original 9 min video and didn’t care to learn anything else

Funny considering how most of what you have said so far is wrong, misled, or false. As commando brando stated above me, the argument, for the most part, never was "was Chauvin the only factor in Floyds death.". Most of the charges generally, in laymen's terms fall into the "There were extenuating circumstances, but the way in which Chauvin acted was reckless, aka knee on the neck, and when combined with the other factors of the situation that recklessness resulted in the unjustified death of a man." category.

If you were choking out your asthmatic friend as a joke, and they died, you can still catch a manslaughter charge. You don't get to say "oh well he had asthma so it doesn't count".The whole point of that charge is to punish people who do reckless or irresponsible things that result in the death of another person. Even if it was not premeditated, intentional, or with malice which are usually some of the words you see a lot of in higher degree murder charges.

The other aspects of the situation, namely the drugs, aren't something that would be considered reasonable doubt. The reasonable doubt would have to pertain to the actual charges and whether or not chauvin committed the crimes he is charged with. Those charges really don't deal with whether or not someone has a BAC of .2, weed in their system, or is asthmatic when someone kills them. Those are just parts of the case.
Apr 21 2021 7:26PM
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zues
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LonelyFunny considering how most of what you have said so far is wrong, misled, or false. As commando brando stated above me, the argument, for the most part, never was "was Chauvin the only factor in Floyds death.". Most of the charges generally, in laymen's terms fall into the "There were extenuating circumstances, but the way in which Chauvin acted was reckless, aka knee on the neck, and when combined with the other factors of the situation that recklessness resulted in the unjustified death of a man." category.

If you were choking out your asthmatic friend as a joke, and they died, you can still catch a manslaughter charge. You don't get to say "oh well he had asthma so it doesn't count".The whole point of that charge is to punish people who do reckless or irresponsible things that result in the death of another person. Even if it was not premeditated, intentional, or with malice which are usually some of the words you see a lot of in higher degree murder charges.

The other aspects of the situation, namely the drugs, aren't something that would be considered reasonable doubt. The reasonable doubt would have to pertain to the actual charges and whether or not chauvin committed the crimes he is charged with. Those charges really don't deal with whether or not someone has a BAC of .2, weed in their system, or is asthmatic when someone kills them. Those are just parts of the case.


Wait. So you’re saying the drug that’s 50 times more potent than heroin did or didn’t play a factor in suffocation?
Apr 21 2021 7:31PM
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Lonely
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zuesWait. So you’re saying the drug that’s 50 times more potent than heroin did or didn’t play a factor in suffocation?


It did, and I thought I was pretty clear about that. If you hit a pedestrian driving drunk, but the pedestrian was obese which played a large role in them not surviving, (Obesity is one of the biggest killers in this country and reduces your chances of surviving almost anything) should you get off scot-free?

Are you saying that if Floyd hadn't had an encounter with the Chauvin he would have just dropped dead 9 minutes and 30 seconds later and that a 200-pound officer on his neck for 9 minutes didn't play a factor in him suffocating?

Reasonable doubt, in this case, has nothing to do with whether or not he was on drugs. Reasonable doubt, in this case, would be "it was dark and there was only one sketchy witness that would testify, so we have reasonable doubt that manslaughter was committed" not "We have a clear video, officer and supervisor testimony, and expert testimony, and witness testimony that Floyd begged for his life, said he could not breathe, and even when other officers said that he should not be in that position, Chauvin ignored them and continued to impair his breathing for 9 minutes even when there were multiple officers and Floyd had been submitted and was unconscious. But he was on drugs so..."

Floyd being on drugs is a fact of the case, not "reasonable doubt. The charges did not have anything to do with drugs, they had to do with the reckless manner in which Chauvin conducted himself that at the VERY least was the large contributing factor to Floyds death.
Apr 21 2021 7:47PM
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deathcookie
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zuesWait. So you’re saying the drug that’s 50 times more potent than heroin did or didn’t play a factor in suffocation?


He's saying that it doesn't matter if the heroin was a factor in Floyd's death. If your buddy was to strangle someone with asthma, and that person died, it's still manslaughter or murder.

Otherwise, you could just kill people who have pre-existing conditions and get away with!
Apr 21 2021 7:49PM
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zues
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LonelyIt did, and I thought I was pretty clear about that. If you hit a pedestrian driving drunk, but the pedestrian was obese which played a large role in them not surviving, (Obesity is one of the biggest killers in this country and reduces your chances of surviving almost anything) should you get off scot-free?

Are you saying that if Floyd hadn't had an encounter with the Chauvin he would have just dropped dead 9 minutes and 30 seconds later and that a 200-pound officer on his neck for 9 minutes didn't play a factor in him suffocating?

Reasonable doubt, in this case, has nothing to do with whether or not he was on drugs. Reasonable doubt, in this case, would be "it was dark and there was only one sketchy witness that would testify, so we have reasonable doubt that manslaughter was committed" not "We have a clear video, officer and supervisor testimony, and expert testimony, and witness testimony that Floyd begged for his life, said he could not breathe, and even when other officers said that he should not be in that position, Chauvin ignored them and continued to impair his breathing for 9 minutes even when there were multiple officers and Floyd had been submitted and was unconscious. But he was on drugs so..."

Floyd being on drugs is a fact of the case, not "reasonable doubt. The charges did not have anything to do with drugs, they had to do with the reckless manner in which Chauvin conducted himself that at the VERY least was the large contributing factor to Floyds death.


Ok I agree with you on this 100%. I’m a troll and asshole in this thread because I’m tired of people regurgitating fake narratives from the MSM. Your point is very well spoken.
Apr 21 2021 7:52PM
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zues
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/blm-protesters-surround-white-nyc-diners-and-demand-they-leave-the-city/ar-BB1fTC7Q?li=BBnb7Kz

This is the shit that pisses me off... Surprised the MSM is actually showing it.
Apr 22 2021 9:07AM
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Granby_killdozer
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zueshttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/blm-protesters-surround-white-nyc-diners-and-demand-they-leave-the-city/ar-BB1fTC7Q?li=BBnb7Kz

This is the shit that pisses me off... Surprised the MSM is actually showing it.


Oh, racists are bullying and intimidating people in a city with extremely restrictive gun laws? Color me surprised...
Apr 22 2021 10:47AM
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Rparr
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The fentanyl argument is weak. When you OD and die from fent, it is nearly immediately after the dose. You don't just suddenly keel over long after the dose
Apr 22 2021 11:01AM
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dolanslebensraum
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Its funny how ppl think just bc you are right wing you want cops to kill ppl.

to me its not a race thing. Cops kill white kids all the time.

the problem is the kind of ppl we let be cops in this country.

The hypocritical thing about democrats is they support the war on drugs more than ppl like trump did. The dems want things to cater to idiots and retards and be safe for them at the cost of infringing on the natural rights of non idiots.

libertarians simply want to pull the governments 20 inch cock put of their asses and who could blame them; 20 inches is just too much....
Apr 22 2021 11:03AM
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No.Quarter
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zuesOk I agree with you on this 100%. I’m a troll and asshole in this thread because I’m tired of people regurgitating fake narratives from the MSM. Your point is very well spoken.


I think this may be the most unexpected post I have ever seen from you on NS.
Apr 22 2021 11:03AM
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CowboySkibop
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gorbdawggybrent-floyd saying he couldn’t breathe while he was in the car and before he was even on the ground
-chewed up pills on the ground of the squad car
-witnesses testifying that the knee was on his back and not the neck at times during the 9 minutes
-that position being an approved MPD submission position that has been used hundreds of times in the last year alone
-the use of force expert testifying that that force was justified
-and of course enough fentanyl to kill a horse in his system

and that’s just off the top of my head

im guessing you haven’t seen the full video or the trial??

**This post was edited on Apr 21st 2021 at 4:12:29pm


Dare I saw... Watch the fucking video of his through being kneeled on you fucking sheep
Apr 22 2021 11:22AM
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zues
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No.QuarterI think this may be the most unexpected post I have ever seen from you on NS.


I get batshit angry about a lot of these narratives but I truly feel bad when someone dies. The real anger originates from the media stirring up race wars in the name of "ratings". Racism exists... but not to the extent that its presented on TV. For that reason I am pissed off. There's good and bad people of any race.... I'm tired of people being labeled by skin color.
Apr 22 2021 11:28AM
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dolanslebensraum
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RparrThe fentanyl argument is weak. When you OD and die from fent, it is nearly immediately after the dose. You don't just suddenly keel over long after the dose

If floyd was actually anywhere near the point of oding on fentanyl he would have been completely unconscious from before chauvin first came into contact with him. A person near overdose is basically in a coma. They are so fucking sedated their body isnt even breathing.



to say floyd overdosed is like giving somebody a tylenol then shooting them 5 times and saying “they died of a tylenol overdose”
Apr 22 2021 11:37AM
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DolansLebensraumIf floyd was actually anywhere near the point of oding on fentanyl he would have been completely unconscious from before chauvin first came into contact with him. A person near overdose is basically in a coma. They are so fucking sedated their body isnt even breathing.



to say floyd overdosed is like giving somebody a tylenol then shooting them 5 times and saying “they died of a tylenol overdose”

Chauvin had to go no matter what angle you look at it. The man was already going to prison on felony tax fraud later this year as well. It's pretty telling of a person to be a law man and commit tax fraud for years against the own system he is supposed to uphold. Not to mention Floyd has gone silent and isn't moving in the body cam footage for almost 5 minutes and Chauvin still has him in a hold. Is someone a flight risk to break out and start running when they have gone silent and stopped moving for 5 whole minutes? No

Did the jury get influenced by mob justice? Absolutely, if I were a juror in that case and non sequestered as they were until they had to come up with a verdict I'd vote to convict as well. During the trial their only rules were not read or watch any media but they could still go home after the trial. Meanwhile the Brooklyn Center in the same county as the trial was rioting due to the Daunte Wright killing. You have congresswomen Waters calling for violence if you don't convict before the trial even ended. An entire and powerful organization ANTIFA who is waiting to dox you and then violently come after you as well.

Your family, your friends, your self, and your city are all hanging in the balance by your decision. There's no way in hell I'm going to risk whatever jury protection they offer if the verdict is not as severe or acquittal no matter what the defense shows.

Does this mean the trial should've been held in rural Minnesota where people were less likely to have a bias toward conviction due to personal protection? Probably not because a jury should be your peers who live with you in the community that you committed the crime. It's one of those gray area cases where the word "fair trial" becomes cloudy. In a lot of ways close to impossible to have. Was Chauvin a piece of shit? Ya 21 prior complaints for excessive use of force and didn't pay taxes for years in the own system he has sworn to protect and uphold.

The worry becomes if Rittenhouse is giving life in prison and convicted on felony murder and assault (even for the person who was pointing a handgun at this head, and the bald guy who tried to wrestle the rifle barrel out of his hand because Rittenhouse put out the fire bald guy lit in a trash can in video proof.) If mob justice can influence a self defense case of a citizen in an anarchy all laws are lost environment be worried that the mob justice can influence any trial.
Apr 22 2021 4:05PM
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dolanslebensraum
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Film.Chauvin had to go no matter what angle you look at it. The man was already going to prison on felony tax fraud later this year as well. It's pretty telling of a person to be a law man and commit tax fraud for years against the own system he is supposed to uphold. Not to mention Floyd has gone silent and isn't moving in the body cam footage for almost 5 minutes and Chauvin still has him in a hold. Is someone a flight risk to break out and start running when they have gone silent and stopped moving for 5 whole minutes? No

Did the jury get influenced by mob justice? Absolutely, if I were a juror in that case and non sequestered as they were until they had to come up with a verdict I'd vote to convict as well. During the trial their only rules were not read or watch any media but they could still go home after the trial. Meanwhile the Brooklyn Center in the same county as the trial was rioting due to the Daunte Wright killing. You have congresswomen Waters calling for violence if you don't convict before the trial even ended. An entire and powerful organization ANTIFA who is waiting to dox you and then violently come after you as well.

Your family, your friends, your self, and your city are all hanging in the balance by your decision. There's no way in hell I'm going to risk whatever jury protection they offer if the verdict is not as severe or acquittal no matter what the defense shows.

Does this mean the trial should've been held in rural Minnesota where people were less likely to have a bias toward conviction due to personal protection? Probably not because a jury should be your peers who live with you in the community that you committed the crime. It's one of those gray area cases where the word "fair trial" becomes cloudy. In a lot of ways close to impossible to have. Was Chauvin a piece of shit? Ya 21 prior complaints for excessive use of force and didn't pay taxes for years in the own system he has sworn to protect and uphold.

The worry becomes if Rittenhouse is giving life in prison and convicted on felony murder and assault (even for the person who was pointing a handgun at this head, and the bald guy who tried to wrestle the rifle barrel out of his hand because Rittenhouse put out the fire bald guy lit in a trash can in video proof.) If mob justice can influence a self defense case of a citizen in an anarchy all laws are lost environment be worried that the mob justice can influence any trial.

Yeah i think chauvin is lucky bc in my view they couldve gotten him on first degree murk. He knew what he was doing and obv wanted to kill him. You dont just put ur knee on a dudes neck for 9 minutes unless youre trying to kill him. Maybe he was so racist he wanted to become a martyr for the white supremacist community or something.

I really cant stand the blm shit tho acting like cops treat white ppl and hispanics much better. Cops in america treat everybody like shit. Not just black ppl. They just shot a 4 foot tall kid recently. Like what officer? Youre gonna look at some 12 yr old kid and be up in your head like “DANGER DANGER 12 YR OLD MASS MURDERER TAKE HIM DOWN!”

Like jesus christ. Im not for stealing from white people and giving to black ppl but i am 1000% for getting terrified little cunts out of the police force.

we should hire like ex military or something. Ppl who dont get scared of a fucking 60 pound 12 yr old kid with his hands raised or are so fucking stupid they use their gun instead of their tazer
Apr 22 2021 4:22PM
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Christian_Bale
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DolansLebensraumYeah i think chauvin is lucky bc in my view they couldve gotten him on first degree murk. He knew what he was doing and obv wanted to kill him. You dont just put ur knee on a dudes neck for 9 minutes unless youre trying to kill him. Maybe he was so racist he wanted to become a martyr for the white supremacist community or something.

I really cant stand the blm shit tho acting like cops treat white ppl and hispanics much better. Cops in america treat everybody like shit. Not just black ppl. They just shot a 4 foot tall kid recently. Like what officer? Youre gonna look at some 12 yr old kid and be up in your head like “DANGER DANGER 12 YR OLD MASS MURDERER TAKE HIM DOWN!”

Like jesus christ. Im not for stealing from white people and giving to black ppl but i am 1000% for getting terrified little cunts out of the police force.

we should hire like ex military or something. Ppl who dont get scared of a fucking 60 pound 12 yr old kid with his hands raised or are so fucking stupid they use their gun instead of their tazer


I tend to disagree with a lot of stuff you say, but you have made a couple good points. imo the point you made earlier about democrats is accurate, although republicans are certainly no better. I believe systemic racism against Black people exists and that they are more likely to be victims of police brutality, although the idea that white people are automatically safe from cops is silly, because it ignores the fact that cops shoot loads of people with mental disabilities and mental illness every year. I don't think its accurate to say that cops treat all people equally badly. I think that being poor, mentally disabled, mentally ill, Black, Latino, or homeless are all factors that make people more vulnerable targets for cops.
Apr 22 2021 9:07PM
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zues
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Christian_BaleI tend to disagree with a lot of stuff you say, but you have made a couple good points. imo the point you made earlier about democrats is accurate, although republicans are certainly no better. I believe systemic racism against Black people exists and that they are more likely to be victims of police brutality, although the idea that white people are automatically safe from cops is silly, because it ignores the fact that cops shoot loads of people with mental disabilities and mental illness every year. I don't think its accurate to say that cops treat all people equally badly. I think that being poor, mentally disabled, mentally ill, Black, Latino, or homeless are all factors that make people more vulnerable targets for cops.


By shooting loads of people per year. I believe the stat last year was that cops murdered a total of 20 something unarmed people. They killed about a thousand ppl and almost all of those people were either wielding a weapon or posing a real threat. This notion that cops are just out there killing unarmed people is a complete media propoganda.


you know who else is out there killing lots of
Other people? Gangs and other criminals. I just find it odd how that’s almost never on the news so people don’t think it’s an issue. The Media is literally the enemy of The people.
Apr 22 2021 9:19PM
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Christian_Bale
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zuesBy shooting loads of people per year. I believe the stat last year was that cops murdered a total of 20 something unarmed people. They killed about a thousand ppl and almost all of those people were either wielding a weapon or posing a real threat. This notion that cops are just out there killing unarmed people is a complete media propoganda.


you know who else is out there killing lots of
Other people? Gangs and other criminals. I just find it odd how that’s almost never on the news so people don’t think it’s an issue. The Media is literally the enemy of The people.

gang members and criminals aren't funded by tax dollars. but you're right that the amount of unarmed people who get shot by cops is relatively low. I should have said "harassed or beaten up" instead of "shot." A lot of media is biased, but its not difficult to draw these conclusions after seeing this stuff firsthand and talking to actual people.
Apr 22 2021 9:31PM
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T.L.
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DolansLebensraumYeah i think chauvin is lucky bc in my view they couldve gotten him on first degree murk. He knew what he was doing and obv wanted to kill him. You dont just put ur knee on a dudes neck for 9 minutes unless youre trying to kill him. Maybe he was so racist he wanted to become a martyr for the white supremacist community or something.

I really cant stand the blm shit tho acting like cops treat white ppl and hispanics much better. Cops in america treat everybody like shit. Not just black ppl. They just shot a 4 foot tall kid recently. Like what officer? Youre gonna look at some 12 yr old kid and be up in your head like “DANGER DANGER 12 YR OLD MASS MURDERER TAKE HIM DOWN!”

Like jesus christ. Im not for stealing from white people and giving to black ppl but i am 1000% for getting terrified little cunts out of the police force.

we should hire like ex military or something. Ppl who dont get scared of a fucking 60 pound 12 yr old kid with his hands raised or are so fucking stupid they use their gun instead of their tazer

Unpopular opinion time..

Derek Chauvin is a piece of shit. He has a history of being a piece of shit. At a minimum he should have been convicted easily in any court in the country for manslaughter.

With that being said, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose, not from Chauvin with his knee on his neck and shoulder. The medical examiners said as much in the trial and one of the prosecutions medical experts even admitted the oxygen saturation of his blood was normal meaning his airway was not restricted enough to kill him.

Chauvin was convicted of all charges because the jury knew what would happen if they didn't.

Ordinarily, I'm of the opinion that it's better for 10 guilty men to go free than 1 innocent man to be imprisoned but in this Chauvin is not completely innocent. Floyd still died in his custody and there were other options to restrain him where his physical condition could have been monitored better by himself and the other officers on scene.

This is a tough one for sure. The jury likely saved many lives by convicting him of everything because we all know what would have happened if he just got manslaughter...
Apr 22 2021 9:33PM
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dolanslebensraum
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T.L.Unpopular opinion time..

Derek Chauvin is a piece of shit. He has a history of being a piece of shit. At a minimum he should have been convicted easily in any court in the country for manslaughter.

With that being said, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose, not from Chauvin with his knee on his neck and shoulder. The medical examiners said as much in the trial and one of the prosecutions medical experts even admitted the oxygen saturation of his blood was normal meaning his airway was not restricted enough to kill him.

Chauvin was convicted of all charges because the jury knew what would happen if they didn't.

Ordinarily, I'm of the opinion that it's better for 10 guilty men to go free than 1 innocent man to be imprisoned but in this Chauvin is not completely innocent. Floyd still died in his custody and there were other options to restrain him where his physical condition could have been monitored better by himself and the other officers on scene.

This is a tough one for sure. The jury likely saved many lives by convicting him of everything because we all know what would have happened if he just got manslaughter...

Im a bio major from a good uni and i have spent probably about 1000 times more hours than you researching and reading and learning about drugs, specifically opiates and opioids since i have been dependent on them for a decade.

If youre not trolling, then you need to reassess yourself man, because saying floyd overdosed is the opinion of somebody with the mental development of a 4 yr old.

if floyd was anywhere near overdosing he would have been completely unconscious the whole time.

im pretty sure your trolling tho. So fuck off man stop wasting ppls time with your “im so clever” bullshit
Apr 22 2021 10:27PM
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AndrewGravesSV
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zuesBy shooting loads of people per year. I believe the stat last year was that cops murdered a total of 20 something unarmed people. They killed about a thousand ppl and almost all of those people were either wielding a weapon or posing a real threat. This notion that cops are just out there killing unarmed people is a complete media propoganda.


you know who else is out there killing lots of
Other people? Gangs and other criminals. I just find it odd how that’s almost never on the news so people don’t think it’s an issue. The Media is literally the enemy of The people.


Quit acting like you're Neo in the matrix just because you think the media narrative is bullshit. The media are ass and intentionally enforce a divisive narrative, but that doesn't mean there isn't an issue here. Cops still killed TWENTY unarmed people and 1000 other citizens my dude.
Apr 22 2021 11:35PM
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r00kie
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Honestly everyone arguing whether the verdict was right or wrong is pretty shot, especially before or during the trial. Unless you were on the jury and heard every minute of the two weeks of testimony all your doing is undermining due process. This especially applies to people with platforms (looking at you Waters, all of Daily Wire, Fox, CNN, etc.) The verdict is correct when it is decided by a jury of peers in the court of law.
Apr 23 2021 6:30AM
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skierman
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zuesOk I agree with you on this 100%. I’m a troll and asshole in this thread because I’m tired of people regurgitating fake narratives from the MSM. Your point is very well spoken.


God damn, you kids are all the fucking same. "I'M NOT A SHEEP BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THE MSM SAYS! I ONLY BLINDLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING RANDOM PEOPLE ON THE INTERET SAY! I'M NOT A SHEEP!"

There you have it, the first cop in that state's history to be convicted of murdering a black civilian while on duty. Yup, I'm certain this was the first and only time an officer abused his position and killed an unarmed black man. Yup, first time ever... all cops are justified in murdering civilians. Yup.
Apr 23 2021 6:36AM
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zues
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skiermanGod damn, you kids are all the fucking same. "I'M NOT A SHEEP BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THE MSM SAYS! I ONLY BLINDLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING RANDOM PEOPLE ON THE INTERET SAY! I'M NOT A SHEEP!"

There you have it, the first cop in that state's history to be convicted of murdering a black civilian while on duty. Yup, I'm certain this was the first and only time an officer abused his position and killed an unarmed black man. Yup, first time ever... all cops are justified in murdering civilians. Yup.


Do us all a favor and put some blackface on and let em take you out.
Apr 23 2021 7:24AM
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zues
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T.L.Unpopular opinion time..

Derek Chauvin is a piece of shit. He has a history of being a piece of shit. At a minimum he should have been convicted easily in any court in the country for manslaughter.

With that being said, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose, not from Chauvin with his knee on his neck and shoulder. The medical examiners said as much in the trial and one of the prosecutions medical experts even admitted the oxygen saturation of his blood was normal meaning his airway was not restricted enough to kill him.

Chauvin was convicted of all charges because the jury knew what would happen if they didn't.

Ordinarily, I'm of the opinion that it's better for 10 guilty men to go free than 1 innocent man to be imprisoned but in this Chauvin is not completely innocent. Floyd still died in his custody and there were other options to restrain him where his physical condition could have been monitored better by himself and the other officers on scene.

This is a tough one for sure. The jury likely saved many lives by convicting him of everything because we all know what would have happened if he just got manslaughter...


I’m going to wager the fact that Georgie Floyd was arrested as many times as he was he was probably a piece of shit too.

oh sorry. Let’s continue to glorify life time criminals in the name of justice.
Apr 23 2021 7:39AM
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freestyler540
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zuesI’m going to wager the fact that Georgie Floyd was arrested as many times as he was he was probably a piece of shit too.

oh sorry. Let’s continue to glorify life time criminals in the name of justice.

I pray you get shot next by police. Only then, will you grasp a sense of reality
Apr 23 2021 7:47AM
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skierman
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freestyler540I pray you get shot next by police. Only then, will you grasp a sense of reality


He's not black though so it won't happen. White people can shoot up a mall, theater, elementary school, etc. and they still get arrested without injury.
Apr 23 2021 8:00AM
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zues
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freestyler540I pray you get shot next by police. Only then, will you grasp a sense of reality


that's alright. I think multiple compliant arrests give me plenty of a grasp with reality.

oh and fighting and winning those arrests in court help out a lot too.

I pray you grow a sack and stop sounding like a crying baby.
Apr 23 2021 8:19AM
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snowfinder
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zuesthat's alright. I think multiple compliant arrests give me plenty of a grasp with reality.

oh and fighting and winning those arrests in court help out a lot too.

I pray you grow a sack and stop sounding like a crying baby.

crim·i·nal
noun
a person who has committed a crime.
"these men are dangerous criminals"

You are a criminal but yet you talk trash about other criminals. Sounds like self loathing and projecting.

**This post was edited on Apr 23rd 2021 at 8:35:32am
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zues
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snowfindercrim·i·nal
noun
a person who has committed a crime.
"these men are dangerous criminals"

You are a criminal but yet you talk trash about other criminals. Sounds like self loathing and projecting.

**This post was edited on Apr 23rd 2021 at 8:35:32am


But i'm not a criminal. Being arrested and being charged are two entirely different things... Nice try though.
Apr 23 2021 9:11AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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I always find it weird people go around thinking cops want to kill people, especially black people. It’s just a strange position to take when you start thinking about it on a deeper level.
Apr 23 2021 9:12AM
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piss.boy
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Guys, whats so bad with murder?
Apr 23 2021 9:16AM
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snowfinder
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zuesBut i'm not a criminal. Being arrested and being charged are two entirely different things... Nice try though.


according to your past statements only criminals get arrested....
Apr 23 2021 9:40AM
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snowfinder
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Charlie_KellyI always find it weird people go around thinking cops want to kill people, especially black people. It’s just a strange position to take when you start thinking about it on a deeper level.


You should get to know some cops might change your mind on this.
Apr 23 2021 9:41AM
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zues
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snowfinderYou should get to know some cops might change your mind on this.


You’re a clown dude. Stop talking. You sound dumber each post. Cops really go around trying to kill people ? You’re either 12 years old or just an idiot.
Apr 23 2021 9:44AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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snowfinderYou should get to know some cops might change your mind on this.


I do know quite a few cops, played baseball with a couple, went to school/hung out with a few others. Gf’s sisters bf is a state cop. Not once did they talk about or give any indication they got into the profession to kill people. Or that they want to even have to discharge their firearm. So once again I find it just weird that people like you think otherwise. It’s just a strange mentality to have.
Apr 23 2021 9:54AM
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snowfinder
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zuesYou’re a clown dude. Stop talking. You sound dumber each post. Cops really go around trying to kill people ? You’re either 12 years old or just an idiot.


Cops are going around killing people thats what this thread is all about.
Apr 23 2021 10:34AM
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r00kie
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snowfinderYou should get to know some cops might change your mind on this.


I've known officer Tony for quite some time, went to high school with his son and played sports with. Still him around from time to time both in his professional role and outside of it. His end goal is to make it home at the end of day, not go firing his gun around. This narrative is so fucking generalizing and only based on peoples who's only interaction with officers is when said officer is calling them on their crap.
Apr 23 2021 10:35AM
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snowfinder
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Charlie_KellyI do know quite a few cops, played baseball with a couple, went to school/hung out with a few others. Gf’s sisters bf is a state cop. Not once did they talk about or give any indication they got into the profession to kill people. Or that they want to even have to discharge their firearm. So once again I find it just weird that people like you think otherwise. It’s just a strange mentality to have.


Cops are told that every call could be their last call. When they show up somewhere in the back of their minds they are thinking that someone is going to go after them, creating a constant state of fear and lack of trust in the general public. Add that with the current people that become cops and the lack of training they get for using weapons. It all adds up to dangerous situations that keep repeating time and time again.

Better selection for people becoming cops and better training is needed.
Apr 23 2021 10:41AM
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zues
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snowfinderCops are told that every call could be their last call. When they show up somewhere in the back of their minds they are thinking that someone is going to go after them, creating a constant state of fear and lack of trust in the general public. Add that with the current people that become cops and the lack of training they get for using weapons. It all adds up to dangerous situations that keep repeating time and time again.

Better selection for people becoming cops and better training is needed.


OMG LOOK AT HOW MANY ARRESTS IN THE USA THERE ARE A DAY AND LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY DIE... DERRRRPPPPP LESS THAN 0.01% OF ARRESTS END IN DEATH... DURRRPPPPP YOU DUMBASS
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