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LazylightningVery durable and well priced. Idk if you could call them underrated but they are the closest thing to that imo, for me I love that I can find 13s for way cheaper than all metal pivots and I don't feel like I'm sacrificing at all, also they have more adjustability which is a plus if you have multiple boots
BallHooterHow do they compare to the Look Spx 12, assuming you've experienced both
TreegrabberI like em
I had some trouble mounting them tho
LazylightningVery durable and well priced. Idk if you could call them underrated but they are the closest thing to that imo, for me I love that I can find 13s for way cheaper than all metal pivots and I don't feel like I'm sacrificing at all, also they have more adjustability which is a plus if you have multiple boots
mottlol, if your skiing park dont bother with attacks and just go for pivots straight up. i had so many issues with pre release and the afd on attacks, the afd will literally move a few cm everytime you ski so unless you adjust it daily you will pre release a fuckton. pivots are super reliable and havent pre released on me even once. worth the extra 40-60 bucks so your ski doesnt eject on a rail
Greg_KCurious if you still have those Attacks as the AFD should not need to be adjusted daily if it’s set up properly-unless the binding is defective of course.
When you’re adjusting the AFD height, are you applying pressure on the boot cuff to wheelie the toe and remove slack before adjusting? Common missed step and will still be loose if not done and will change every time you check it.
Another easy visual tell they aren’t adjusted properly is the two mounting screws above the AFD on the Attack2 are totally open and not partially covered by AFD on alpine boots. All my screws are 1/3 to 1/2 covered by the AFD after adjustment. I now move the AFD so the screw is partially covered and then adjust with the boot and spacer. Bindings look like the pic.
Have had over 20 pairs of Attacks and some weren’t adjusted properly by techs till I learned the “wheelie the boot toe, then adjust AFD” trick. Perfect after that.
Current quiver with a few pairs of Attack 13s and 16s. Lol
mottYep i was doing the wheelie thing with my boot as the shop tech advised. Still came loose after a day in the park. My friend riding attacks also had the exact same problem and countless other people on ns have aswell. Just not worth bothering with attacks if you ride park
SavageBiffExplain this in detail to me plz. I love my attaaks but I do feel that they will pre release before a pivot, my afd on my attaaks don’t move , like not at all , probably have to hit it with a hammer
mottId usually ski for a day and the next time i skied my boot was able to wobble up and down in the toe piece. Could very well be that i ski in a place with somewhat icy landings and harder impacts, but it was annoying as shit, not to mention it didnt inspire a lot of confidence landing anything but perfectly . I ended up warrantying them through the shop i bought em at and got new ones for free. Bought pivots anyways though and threw them on my dads skis instead. Wouldnt ever buy attacks again unless i was just skiing groomers or some shit lmao
mottId usually ski for a day and the next time i skied my boot was able to wobble up and down in the toe piece. Could very well be that i ski in a place with somewhat icy landings and harder impacts, but it was annoying as shit, not to mention it didnt inspire a lot of confidence landing anything but perfectly . I ended up warrantying them through the shop i bought em at and got new ones for free. Bought pivots anyways though and threw them on my dads skis instead. Wouldnt ever buy attacks again unless i was just skiing groomers or some shit lmao
DolansLebensraumDid you keep the wheelie force while you slid the paper over the afd? Because for me if i wheelied the boot and then let go the paper wouldnt slide freely. But if you kept the wheelie force on the boot the paper would slide again and you would realize you werent as tight on the afd as it should be.
other than that maybe you walk alot to and from the lift on concrete everytime you ski? Because if you wear down the bottom of your boot you will need to occasionally tighten the afd.
but as for your claim that the screw on the afd unscrewed itself, either the binding is defective or you are full of shit. A force of the boot would have no chance of unscrewing the afd. Not even if the afd screw was loose as fuck and jiggling around in its hole, in which case would indicate a defective binding. But If you did have a defective binding where the afd screw would bounce around and loosen itself up over time it would be down to entropy and not because the weight of your boot was unscrewing the afd screw. If that could happen then you could unscrew the top of a gatorade bottle by squeezing the sides of the bottle. The amount of force you would need to unscrew an afd screw by pounding on the afd would be enough to vaporize the binding and everybody within a 2 mile radius. In which case you would be dead, and you wouldnt care about your bindings anymore, and everybody would hate you for killing so many ppl trying to unscrew your afd.
But as for your claim that you get prerelease even when your afd is snug, the only thing i can think of is either your back pressure is not enough or theres something defective about the backpressure indicator or maybe the sides of the toe of your boot are worn down or naturally smaller on your boot.
i understand that there does not seem to be much wrap around on the attack 2 toe pieces but the ppl at tyrolia who designed the attack 2 are not idiots and this prerelease should not be happening. They probably spent many thousands of hours testing the binding before putting it into production, and if there truly was a prerelease problem with the binding when adjusted properly it would have been caught very quickly.
i have tried every angle possible angle of pulling my boot sideways out of my ski with my dins at 4 to try to see if i could get the toe of my boot to prerelease or slip out somehow but i never could.
there has to be something wrong with your binding or something wrong with your boot.
the afd needs to be legit snug tho. You should barely be able to slide the paper in between while applying the wheelie pressure on the boot. Tyrolia includes a picture diagram with their bindings to make sure the owner properly adjusts the afd so its obv important.
but as for your afd screw working itself loose that has to be defective. The afd screw on my attack 2s is very hard to turn. It isnt going to loosen up by itself a single nanometer.
maybe talk to tyrolia and see what they say.
SFBv420.0the professional term for "back pressure"
is forward lean doltchild
and tyros work better with it tighter
SFBv420.0the difference is you "think" and ive been "doing" for longer than youve been skiing probably breathing too
Greg_KThe correct term is adjust the heel piece along the track to adjust for the heel length is FORWARD PRESSURE. In the Attack, there are tabs every 3mm along that track and the forward pressure is correct if the edge of the heel piece lines up within the 6mm scribed area. USUALLY this isn’t as often misadjusted like AFD height but should be checked along with DIN if you are running into issues.
Like Dolan mentioned, you do have to keep HEAVY pressure on the rear cuff while raising and checking the AFD height to eliminate any slack. This is true on any non Look binding as they are automatically adjusted, so Markers and Salomon bindings could have the same toe height/AFD height issues as well.
Normally when the AFD is properly set, it will need adjustment maybe once a year because of boot sole wear and if it’s more often than that, something is wrong with the binding or their adjustment. Defective bindings can of course happen but improper initial set up is definitely on Tyrolia and Marker bindings.
DolansLebensraumCool. How come looks dont have the need for an afd adjustment?
DolansLebensraumDid you keep the wheelie force while you slid the paper over the afd? Because for me if i wheelied the boot and then let go the paper wouldnt slide freely. But if you kept the wheelie force on the boot the paper would slide again and you would realize you werent as tight on the afd as it should be.
other than that maybe you walk alot to and from the lift on concrete everytime you ski? Because if you wear down the bottom of your boot you will need to occasionally tighten the afd.
but as for your claim that the screw on the afd unscrewed itself, either the binding is defective or you are full of shit. A force of the boot would have no chance of unscrewing the afd. Not even if the afd screw was loose as fuck and jiggling around in its hole, in which case would indicate a defective binding. But If you did have a defective binding where the afd screw would bounce around and loosen itself up over time it would be down to entropy and not because the weight of your boot was unscrewing the afd screw. If that could happen then you could unscrew the top of a gatorade bottle by squeezing the sides of the bottle. The amount of force you would need to unscrew an afd screw by pounding on the afd would be enough to vaporize the binding and everybody within a 2 mile radius. In which case you would be dead, and you wouldnt care about your bindings anymore, and everybody would hate you for killing so many ppl trying to unscrew your afd.
But as for your claim that you get prerelease even when your afd is snug, the only thing i can think of is either your back pressure is not enough or theres something defective about the backpressure indicator or maybe the sides of the toe of your boot are worn down or naturally smaller on your boot.
i understand that there does not seem to be much wrap around on the attack 2 toe pieces but the ppl at tyrolia who designed the attack 2 are not idiots and this prerelease should not be happening. They probably spent many thousands of hours testing the binding before putting it into production, and if there truly was a prerelease problem with the binding when adjusted properly it would have been caught very quickly.
i have tried every angle possible angle of pulling my boot sideways out of my ski with my dins at 4 to try to see if i could get the toe of my boot to prerelease or slip out somehow but i never could.
there has to be something wrong with your binding or something wrong with your boot.
the afd needs to be legit snug tho. You should barely be able to slide the paper in between while applying the wheelie pressure on the boot. Tyrolia includes a picture diagram with their bindings to make sure the owner properly adjusts the afd so its obv important.
but as for your afd screw working itself loose that has to be defective. The afd screw on my attack 2s is very hard to turn. It isnt going to loosen up by itself a single nanometer.
maybe talk to tyrolia and see what they say.
mottYup i did everything as stated and they would still loosen up, when i was using those bindings i never even walked thru the lot in boots and my soles are still pretty new to this day. i have a homie whos attacks would do the same thing even after properly being adjusted forward pressure, afd, din etc. I dont know about you but personally i spend more time skiing than i do admiring my gear and bootlicking whoever the fuck engineered it, i have literally no reason to bullshit about it because i and others have experienced it. They just arent good bindings.
mottYup i did everything as stated and they would still loosen up, when i was using those bindings i never even walked thru the lot in boots and my soles are still pretty new to this day. i have a homie whos attacks would do the same thing even after properly being adjusted forward pressure, afd, din etc. I dont know about you but personally i spend more time skiing than i do admiring my gear and bootlicking whoever the fuck engineered it, i have literally no reason to bullshit about it because i and others have experienced it. They just arent good bindings.
SavageBiffVery untrue, your techs just not a good tech, your din too low, fuck the chart turn em up, or you got defective bindings unlikely. Got 4 pairs of attaaks, 3 pivots an sth2, and two jesters , have retired more attaaks than most people will ever own, and while they’re not as retentive as a pivot, they are great bindings in all aspects, they release when I want, don’t when I don’t, like when I eat shit in a no fall zone and have to get back up with two skis on, the only time they’ve pre released was on tip catches and some ultra torqued spins before I tightened the paper to a business card so tight it didn’t tear but I really had to pull that bitch out, before my own adjustments I did have one come off mid 540 but I landed one foot picked it up, researched, made my adjustments now there are no issues.
I trust attaaks with my knees and life, do prefer a pivot but attaaks are great and you don’t know what your talking about.
oh and btw my boots got miles and miles of walking on concrete, slamming, I mean fucking slamming my heel into the boot, I walk hard and fast, probably a 4+ ft gate, run up and down steps, slamming, got a race fit boot, gotta slam em in there, SLAM ! My boots look like dogs where chewing on em, most my attaaks got 100+ days and I charge every run, I simply cannot just cruise.
BigPurpleSkiSuitDIN being too low is a problem I've recognized I have. I never really figured that I would need higher than 9, but I now realize I do after ejecting making very sharp turns at high speeds. This was on attack 13s and now I ride a 10.5 and feel very very good about my bindings again.