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I noticed a few pros from the recent fis slope and pipe comps were on skis labeled “zuma”. But on google the only thing that comes up is 1 ski and it costs 138 $.
is this supposed to be like the ultimate beater/rail ski that you can fuck and chuck like trvpangels whore mother?
bc at 138 $ you can have a set of zumas for rails then a set of decent skis that are good for jumps and everything else such as head caddies or framewalls which you can get for around 300$. All together thats under 450 $ for a reliable setup and on3ps are almost twice that price.
It’s always Canadian skiers and I always wonder it when the X Games come on.
I previously thought they were from Japan too, but I think they’re actually French. I’ve only seen them for sale online at European retailers like once or twice.
I had a buddy who had a pair when he was younger and he said they were a piece of shit. He lives in USA so I have no idea how he got them.
I, also, noticed that one of their riders had rivets in the tips of their skis (as in, to prevent a delam). I think it was Simon D’Artois
I just looked and maybe they are Japanese instead of French. I can’t keep up
**This post was edited on Mar 15th 2021 at 4:07:45am
zuma skis are meant to be legit, justin doray created a pipe ski that most pro half pipe riders seem to ski. they are pretty expensive if you buy them from the official shop $726usd http://s-cube.shop/?pid=151928712
I just don’t understand why they put so much money into Canadian athletes when it seems like they’re so hard to find in North America. Is it because Canadian skiers =sales in Japan?
jps2.0zuma skis are meant to be legit, justin doray created a pipe ski that most pro half pipe riders seem to ski. they are pretty expensive if you buy them from the official shop $726usd http://s-cube.shop/?pid=151928712
jps2.0zuma skis are meant to be legit, justin doray created a pipe ski that most pro half pipe riders seem to ski. they are pretty expensive if you buy them from the official shop $726usd http://s-cube.shop/?pid=151928712
72 dollars. Not 720.
must be total shit but probably decent as a total fuck me up now little rail slut kind of deal.
must be total shit but probably decent as a total fuck me up now little rail slut kind of deal.
plus it has a sintered sole. Whatever that means
Nah, 72000 yen is 720 dollars. I think sole is just a mistranslation of base. I read japanese, is there anything in particular you want to know about them? The linked page is mostly your typical ski company junk about it being a 'expert level' pipe ski with a 'perfect amount' of camber and the like. It does kinda seem like they are catering to an entry level audience though, they specify a lot of stuff that any experienced ski shopper would know, like that it doesnt come with bindings.
byuboundNah, 72000 yen is 720 dollars. I think sole is just a mistranslation of base. I read japanese, is there anything in particular you want to know about them? The linked page is mostly your typical ski company junk about it being a 'expert level' pipe ski with a 'perfect amount' of camber and the like. It does kinda seem like they are catering to an entry level audience though, they specify a lot of stuff that any experienced ski shopper would know, like that it doesnt come with bindings.
According to the facebook translations, they never use any specs besides length either. No base materials, edge thickness, etc. Pretty sketch imo
ReturnToMonkeyAccording to the facebook translations, they never use any specs besides length either. No base materials, edge thickness, etc. Pretty sketch imo
The website posted says they use NHS race sintered bases. Couldnt find anything on edge thickness though.
They're a Japanese brand that sponsors the Canadian pipe team. Their pipe ski is like a super stiff Troublemaker, 78 underfoot with a super fast base. I think Mackay is sponsored by Liberty so I always thought it was weird he rode these in comp.
They also cost like 900 cad new. Ski gear is weirdly overpriced in Japan.
eheathHow's the rock you been living under for 5 years?
Im always living under a rock.
byuboundNah, 72000 yen is 720 dollars. I think sole is just a mistranslation of base. I read japanese, is there anything in particular you want to know about them? The linked page is mostly your typical ski company junk about it being a 'expert level' pipe ski with a 'perfect amount' of camber and the like. It does kinda seem like they are catering to an entry level audience though, they specify a lot of stuff that any experienced ski shopper would know, like that it doesnt come with bindings.
Yeah my bad, i mustve typed 7200 yen to usd in google.
why are they so expensive in japania when they are getting sold for 138$ In canadia?
Yeah my bad, i mustve typed 7200 yen to usd in google.
why are they so expensive in japania when they are getting sold for 138$ In canadia?
Good question. Things like skis tend to be a little more expensive in Japan because the market for action sports equipment is way smaller, but not on that scale. The ones in canada must be old and not selling so shops are trying to dump them would be my guess.
byuboundGood question. Things like skis tend to be a little more expensive in Japan because the market for action sports equipment is way smaller, but not on that scale. The ones in canada must be old and not selling so shops are trying to dump them would be my guess.
Its not so much that... Ski gear in New Zealand and Australia is a bit cheaper than in Japan and both of those countries have smaller customer bases for ski gear - way way smaller. Shop I work for actually started by importing products from Australia because even that was cheaper than dealing with the distributors here in Japan at the time... There are still several things we import from Australia rather than getting them from a domestic distributor.
Japan's markets are expensive to start because they have pretty high import taxes, but also because things are marketed as premium, expensive, and "ichi-ban" rather than for the every-man like they are in the western world. The domestic market for gear runs it's prices far higher to seem more premium and higher-end.. or to sell at a bigger profit margin or whatever - youll see this in the way of rexxam and ogasaka being sold as premium domestic products in Japan even though they aren't particularly better in any specific way, and sometimes they end up somehow costing more than boots or skis imported from Europe.. and this generally raises the prices on gear overall across the board. It's probably not that simple, but it seems that's definitely a factor.
A lot of sports hardgoods end up this way here... there are tennis and golf brands you'll only see in Japan that cost an absolute fortune for no good reason... and they are overpriced compared to - IMO - far superior stuff from brands such as Mizuno - which is a japanese brand in it's own right... but because people are still shelling out for those premium brands, mizuno and wilson etc all raise their prices here because people are still willing to spend that premium cash here anyway... and they will then market themselves in a far more premium way than you will find in western countries - where products are marketed to the masses.
To boil it down, Beers here like Asahi and Sapporo cost more than they do in North America - not because there is some directly much higher tax on alcohol (you can get cheap dirty stuff that's hard enough to make you blind for like a dollar all you want), but its because the domestic market for the big 3 or 4 beers is marketed as this premium product and sets the price at like 12-13 bucks plus consumption tax for a 6 pack of 350ml domestic canned beers.. and so everyone else instead of undercutting that and being more competitive, just equals or charges even more for the same type of product and changes the way they market themselves... If you lower your price to compete, you're immediately cheapening your brand, and people will be less inclined to buy it.
In the West, people brag about how good of a deal or bargain they got on that thing they bought. In Japan, people brag about how much it cost them.
This happens all over the place in Japan. You should see how much it is for a new Toyota here. Hell, Volvos imported all the way from fuckin Sweden are sometimes cheaper than Hondas and Nissans lol.
Also, the japanese market is simply weird as fuck... You go to a trade show here - think the Japanese version of SIA or ISPO, and you'll see hardgoods/softgoods companies and distributors that are conducting themselves in full-on shibuya salaryman style... suits, ties, clean shaven, pressed pants, the whole thing... Right next to distributors of brands that have a lot more western influence, and self-awareness. K2 Japan for example, has for years been a bit of a wild child in compared to some of the domestic stuff simply by being slightly less uptight as fuck lol.
DingoSeanIts not so much that... Ski gear in New Zealand and Australia is a bit cheaper than in Japan and both of those countries have smaller customer bases for ski gear - way way smaller. Shop I work for actually started by importing products from Australia because even that was cheaper than dealing with the distributors here in Japan at the time... There are still several things we import from Australia rather than getting them from a domestic distributor.
Japan's markets are expensive to start because they have pretty high import taxes, but also because things are marketed as premium, expensive, and "ichi-ban" rather than for the every-man like they are in the western world. The domestic market for gear runs it's prices far higher to seem more premium and higher-end.. or to sell at a bigger profit margin or whatever - youll see this in the way of rexxam and ogasaka being sold as premium domestic products in Japan even though they aren't particularly better in any specific way, and sometimes they end up somehow costing more than boots or skis imported from Europe.. and this generally raises the prices on gear overall across the board. It's probably not that simple, but it seems that's definitely a factor.
A lot of sports hardgoods end up this way here... there are tennis and golf brands you'll only see in Japan that cost an absolute fortune for no good reason... and they are overpriced compared to - IMO - far superior stuff from brands such as Mizuno - which is a japanese brand in it's own right... but because people are still shelling out for those premium brands, mizuno and wilson etc all raise their prices here because people are still willing to spend that premium cash here anyway... and they will then market themselves in a far more premium way than you will find in western countries - where products are marketed to the masses.
To boil it down, Beers here like Asahi and Sapporo cost more than they do in North America - not because there is some directly much higher tax on alcohol (you can get cheap dirty stuff that's hard enough to make you blind for like a dollar all you want), but its because the domestic market for the big 3 or 4 beers is marketed as this premium product and sets the price at like 12-13 bucks plus consumption tax for a 6 pack of 350ml domestic canned beers.. and so everyone else instead of undercutting that and being more competitive, just equals or charges even more for the same type of product and changes the way they market themselves... If you lower your price to compete, you're immediately cheapening your brand, and people will be less inclined to buy it.
In the West, people brag about how good of a deal or bargain they got on that thing they bought. In Japan, people brag about how much it cost them.
This happens all over the place in Japan. You should see how much it is for a new Toyota here. Hell, Volvos imported all the way from fuckin Sweden are sometimes cheaper than Hondas and Nissans lol.
Also, the japanese market is simply weird as fuck... You go to a trade show here - think the Japanese version of SIA or ISPO, and you'll see hardgoods/softgoods companies and distributors that are conducting themselves in full-on shibuya salaryman style... suits, ties, clean shaven, pressed pants, the whole thing... Right next to distributors of brands that have a lot more western influence, and self-awareness. K2 Japan for example, has for years been a bit of a wild child in compared to some of the domestic stuff simply by being slightly less uptight as fuck lol.
Makes sense, these are some really good insights. I don't have much experience with the ski market in Japan, but I lived there for a few years and you definitely see this with business attire and the like. I was basing my experience on the aggressive mountain bike market in Japan which likely suffers from the same stuff you mentioned but is also really, really small, at least in the south where I lived.
byuboundMakes sense, these are some really good insights. I don't have much experience with the ski market in Japan, but I lived there for a few years and you definitely see this with business attire and the like. I was basing my experience on the aggressive mountain bike market in Japan which likely suffers from the same stuff you mentioned but is also really, really small, at least in the south where I lived.
Mountain Biking is still definitely a new endeavor here... which is crazy because the whole country is fucking mountains.
But yeah... Jitenshas (bikes) in Japan are a massive thing overall... and all you have to do is look at the road cycling market to see how it indirectly has to deal with the same exact things I cited above..
Like, all of the best bikes are still just coming from Taiwan... Tokyo is only 2000km away from taipei or whatever... but despite that, bikes cost a lot here on the whole... The used market here, however.. its fucking EPIC because, though it's expensive, Japanese people generally take incredible meticulous care of the things they buy. I was cruising yahoo auctions here for a decent roadbike last summer, and some dude was selling a 9 year old carbon Fuji bike WITH THE ORIGINAL BOX. Like.. original bike box dude who does that? Only in Japan man.
DingoSeanMountain Biking is still definitely a new endeavor here... which is crazy because the whole country is fucking mountains.
But yeah... Jitenshas (bikes) in Japan are a massive thing overall... and all you have to do is look at the road cycling market to see how it indirectly has to deal with the same exact things I cited above..
Like, all of the best bikes are still just coming from Taiwan... Tokyo is only 2000km away from taipei or whatever... but despite that, bikes cost a lot here on the whole... The used market here, however.. its fucking EPIC because, though it's expensive, Japanese people generally take incredible meticulous care of the things they buy. I was cruising yahoo auctions here for a decent roadbike last summer, and some dude was selling a 9 year old carbon Fuji bike WITH THE ORIGINAL BOX. Like.. original bike box dude who does that? Only in Japan man.
Haha for sure dude. I copped a pair of almost mint hoji boots in a second street for like 180 bucks. Japan used market is the bomb.
Im going to guess Rhythm or interski. I bought my wife some ex-Japan demos at interski for like $225 AUD in Sydney. You could just throw whatever price at those guys and they would accept it depending on how they felt that day ha (which I guess was also true of the shop I worked at one street over...)
DingoSeanShop I work for actually started by importing products from Australia because even that was cheaper than dealing with the distributors here in Japan at the time... There are still several things we import from Australia rather than getting them from a domestic distributor.
I'm japanese park/freeride skier and live in Shiga(far from Nagano,5hour by the car).
(Don't worry about my poor English.)
Zuma ski is a brand from Swallow ski.
that is Japanese company,but they have a factory in Chinese.
(Only two measure ski factory in japan, Ogasaka and Bluemoris.)
They are known as good price,and imo not so but performance.
Grafic is suck in the past, but there day it getting better.
JPNgearnerdI'm japanese park/freeride skier and live in Shiga(far from Nagano,5hour by the car).
(Don't worry about my poor English.)
Zuma ski is a brand from Swallow ski.
that is Japanese company,but they have a factory in Chinese.
(Only two measure ski factory in japan, Ogasaka and Bluemoris.)
They are known as good price,and imo not so but performance.
Grafic is suck in the past, but there day it getting better.
の英語は 私の日本語 よりじょうずです
and you are correct. They are basically Japan's version of say... Line skis or K2 - owned and HQ'd in Japan but built in a factory they own in China.
I think it might actually be one of the first factories that made skis in china back when K2 was still pumping skis out of Vashon island, and skis were made with little to no sidecut and over 200cm long.
**This post was edited on Mar 23rd 2021 at 2:08:08am
