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What do you think is the optimal ski specs for switch takeoffs on jumps? (waist width/sidecut/flex/weigh/camber/rocker etc)

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dolanslebensraum
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For example these days a 75 mm waist ski is too narrow for the preferences of most pros and a 120 mm waist is probably too wide. What do you think is the optimal ski specs for jumps with special consideration to stability at speed and making switch takeoffs and landings easy?
Dec 31 2020 4:32AM
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xxACIDTRIPxx
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108 gang gang
Dec 31 2020 4:44AM
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SSteezle
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88-94
Dec 31 2020 9:05AM
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WoFlowz
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TH3_ARBIT3R108 gang gang


108 with a twin that rises higher than your wang is optimal for switch take offs and landings especially in slushy conditions
Dec 31 2020 10:09AM
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little1337
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TH3_ARBIT3R108 gang gang


108s or die. Is it a superiority complex if you know you're superior?
Dec 31 2020 10:13AM
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WisconsinDogfart
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proper size is 72 wiast 156 length 3000g weight
Dec 31 2020 10:37AM
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animator
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little1337108s or die. Is it a superiority complex if you know you're superior?


No it’s not, it’s just being superior
Dec 31 2020 11:33AM
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lil.Boye
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108 is nice. But i miss 95 some times
also, never under 180cm
Dec 31 2020 11:41AM
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eheath
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Whatever ski you like skiing, taking off of a jump has nothing to do with your gear, its muscle memory and confidence.
Dec 31 2020 11:42AM
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Dilldoes
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eheathWhatever ski you like skiing, taking off of a jump has nothing to do with your gear, its muscle memory and confidence.


Yup. Recently went from skiing 88mm to 110mm now that I'm back out west. I was a little scared the first few times I spun off larger jumps but honestly it felt pretty much the same. Proper technique is always key.
Dec 31 2020 1:34PM
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Dan-Man
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It is all about personal preference my FOO'z

I personally like the LINE Chronic for park, and the LINE Sir Francis Bacon for day to day ripping
Dec 31 2020 1:41PM
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ShadowXVX
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130 underfoot
Jan 1 2021 12:33AM
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Lazylightning
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Like @eheath said, it's all about form and comfort. Some people like fully cambered and symmetrical comp type skis (solly nfx, atomic punx, etc) and some people rock fatter skis with more rocker 🤷‍♂️
Jan 1 2021 10:19AM
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SavageBiff
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There is no optimal width, there is an optimal binding mount for taking off switch...





And it’s this^
Jan 1 2021 4:23PM
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dolanslebensraum
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eheathWhatever ski you like skiing, taking off of a jump has nothing to do with your gear, its muscle memory and confidence.

To say all skis are equally good at jumps is ridiculous Evan.
Jan 1 2021 6:58PM
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eheath
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DolanReloadedTo say all skis are equally good at jumps is ridiculous Evan.

They are, its all personal preference
Jan 1 2021 7:02PM
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SavageBiff
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When one knows how and has experience on every type of ski , any ski can be used, but not all skis are equal, I’m confident your at least good enough to be aware of this so no my sure why you would say this...🤔
eheathThey are, its all personal preference
Jan 1 2021 7:23PM
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eheath
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SavageBiffWhen one knows how and has experience on every type of ski , any ski can be used, but not all skis are equal, I’m confident your at least good enough to be aware of this so no my sure why you would say this...🤔


I only say it because I see every type of ski in the park at the highest level, anywhere from 80mm - 120mm
Jan 1 2021 7:40PM
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SavageBiff
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eheathI only say it because I see every type of ski in the park at the highest level, anywhere from 80mm - 120mm

Ya but you know they’re not equal, they got their advantages and disadvantages beyond preference, some skis have capabilities others don’t, tho I wouldn’t say these advantages are extreme, I can carve a sfb an 88mm stormrider and a 118 yle quite hard, but that sfb gonna give way before the others and none of them will punish me if I get backseat , well the sr a little, my Corvus tho they don’t like backseat driving blah blah you know this Craig
Jan 1 2021 8:12PM
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clorox
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The rocker shape of wet +'s feel like they have no speed limit switch. Like bombing around the rocker makes them feel like they'll never catch. Pretty confidence inspiring on jumps.
Jan 1 2021 8:26PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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“There’s no bad skis, only bad skiers”... personal motto to get myself to shut the fuck up when I’m complaining about skis
Jan 2 2021 9:41AM
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dolanslebensraum
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finderThe rocker shape of wet +'s feel like they have no speed limit switch. Like bombing around the rocker makes them feel like they'll never catch. Pretty confidence inspiring on jumps.


Thats cool. What level of rocker do they have? Do you think rockered skis are optimal for switch?
Jan 6 2021 11:57PM
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oldspicewalrus
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So you only ski backwards?
Jan 7 2021 12:01AM
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clorox
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DolanReloadedThats cool. What level of rocker do they have? Do you think rockered skis are optimal for switch?


They have some camber under foot and a ton of early rise in the tip and tail. I don't have any quantitative proof of them being better for switch, but I feel like changing direction switch is easier. I don't switch pizza as far as I'm aware, but I'd imagine that would be less of an issue as well considering how the shovel of cambered skis like to bite when turning switch.

Idk maybe that's a con and people need to learn not to sw pizza the hard way like everyone else.
Jan 7 2021 1:19AM
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WoFlowz
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96,106, and 114 are the optimal width for taking off switch
Aug 31 2021 4:11PM
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Schoess
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hunterS.dolansonTo say all skis are equally good at jumps is ridiculous Evan.


"good is subjective"
Aug 31 2021 4:57PM
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Schoess
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I agree totally that it really is all up to what feels good, but let me say this given my experience...

Skiing switch in general is way less effected by the width of the ski and much more effected by the sidecut or turning radius of the ski due to the way I (and others I'm guessing) lean over to turn more when I'm riding switch.

If your goal is to have a really good skis that skis well switch, look into skis that are more symmetrical than not (Once again, my opinion, not objective truth).

Also keep in mind that hitting jumps switch really just means riding off a shaped patch of snow until the end where you pop. So to have a good jump ski is to have a good ski that performs well just riding on snow. Also I'm guessing if you're asking this question, that you're not exactly hitting the JOSS step down jump from 2010.

Overall, just make sure whatever ski you buy is sized properly for you, is in good shape (edges pulling out can cause a lot of bad things to happen at speed) and feels good when you ski them.
Aug 31 2021 5:02PM
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jakeordie
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SchoessI'm guessing if you're asking this question, that you're not exactly hitting the JOSS step down jump from 2010.

Simon's switch 3 on that jump :0
Aug 31 2021 5:23PM
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dolanslebensraum
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SchoessI agree totally that it really is all up to what feels good, but let me say this given my experience...

Skiing switch in general is way less effected by the width of the ski and much more effected by the sidecut or turning radius of the ski due to the way I (and others I'm guessing) lean over to turn more when I'm riding switch.

If your goal is to have a really good skis that skis well switch, look into skis that are more symmetrical than not (Once again, my opinion, not objective truth).

Also keep in mind that hitting jumps switch really just means riding off a shaped patch of snow until the end where you pop. So to have a good jump ski is to have a good ski that performs well just riding on snow. Also I'm guessing if you're asking this question, that you're not exactly hitting the JOSS step down jump from 2010.

Overall, just make sure whatever ski you buy is sized properly for you, is in good shape (edges pulling out can cause a lot of bad things to happen at speed) and feels good when you ski them.


Cool. I used to have line invaders which were symettrical and i remember them being pretty good switch. They were a really fun ski. Total sluts; they would flop around like wet noodles.

suffered a nose delam which totaled them for me but they lasted pretty well for a season and a half.

i made this thread because when i skiied 104s i felt like i couldnt get much grip on the lip to dig in for rotation because the skis just sort of washed out on takeoffs.
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