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Are Black Crows jerry skis?

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warm_diet_coke
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Settle an argument for us.

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May 22 2020 2:56AM
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souljaboyfan2006
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every single white girl in ut/co who thinks they're dope bc they ski black diamonds and follows the fwt + "powder.addiction" or whatever on instagram has a pair
May 22 2020 3:15AM
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Butter4dayz
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For me who skis in Europe no. They make some very good skis and rest is average. I tour on camox freebirds and they are the best touring ski I have had. They are very light for a 98 underfoot. Manage to float in powder because they have a big scoop up front. Yet you can rip some serious carves in piste if you want. The anima for me is the undisputed king for back country. Stiff powerful and floaty. Perfect 116 width and mounted with a shift is such a versitile ski. They have the best testing ground in Chamonix and the brand overall is super cool. Owners are skiers themselves and I think they have been making some rad outerwear as well. I have my eye on the green corpus for next season

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May 22 2020 3:17AM
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Obama_care
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I dont know its the ski all the girls use that think they're sick and insane kids but din't think they're the best or an old guy who cant stop talking about them
May 22 2020 3:30AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I used to sell them. They’re not bad at all. They’re good skis, but I think they are definitely a ski with a specific DNA (if that makes sense) given their Chamonix roots. And I think that attracts a certain type of buyer/skier sometimes.
Not a true comparison, but I would kind of compare them to Dynastar (also Chamonix). A certain market angle gets pushed that attracts a certain buyer. Dynastars always kicked ass, but they fell into a similar category (until recently).
That’s just how I kind of interpret it. Of course, take what i say with a grain of salt. It’s just one viewpoint.
May 22 2020 4:08AM
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3mania
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Maybe it's not common knowledge, but their head ski designer is Julian Regnier, who basically ( with JP, JF and the rest of the Canadian Air Force) started this freeskiing thing as well as being one of the founders of Armada. The 2 guys who own the company are real skiers. They got a vid where they are repelling into couloirs in Chamonix, home base for Black Crow, not exactly a jerry mountain.
When i started skiing them like 4 years ago, no one was on the skis, but now they are everywhere. Popularity always breeds contempt. You have to expect that there's always going to be someone who wants to hate on whatever the big, new thing that's out there. It's the way things go these days I guess.
Just let me tell you that I've skied the shit out of every pair I've had and all of them have lasted for 120+ days. The Crows can take a lot of abuse. For me they are a reliable tool, that skis better than anything I've ever skied on.
May 22 2020 4:18AM
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Butter4dayz
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BradAusNzCoCaI used to sell them. They’re not bad at all. They’re good skis, but I think they are definitely a ski with a specific DNA (if that makes sense) given their Chamonix roots. And I think that attracts a certain type of buyer/skier sometimes.
Not a true comparison, but I would kind of compare them to Dynastar (also Chamonix). A certain market angle gets pushed that attracts a certain buyer. Dynastars always kicked ass, but they fell into a similar category (until recently).
That’s just how I kind of interpret it. Of course, take what i say with a grain of salt. It’s just one viewpoint.


I could not agree more, particual DNA, for sure more of the all mountain/ less tricks scene type of skier
May 22 2020 4:18AM
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3mania
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Butter4dayzI could not agree more, particual DNA, for sure more of the all mountain/ less tricks scene type of skier


They are def big in that market, but you need to check out the Captis (90) and Camox (97) that are pretty amazing in the park and on mountain.
May 22 2020 4:21AM
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warm_diet_coke
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Full disclosure I’m not the one who thinks they’re a jerry ski. Fully aware of how sick the founders are, @Price_Police thinks that most of the regular people who ski them are of the jerry variety.
3maniaMaybe it's not common knowledge, but their head ski designer is Julian Regnier, who basically ( with JP, JF and the rest of the Canadian Air Force) started this freeskiing thing as well as being one of the founders of Armada. The 2 guys who own the company are real skiers. They got a vid where they are repelling into couloirs in Chamonix, home base for Black Crow, not exactly a jerry mountain.
When i started skiing them like 4 years ago, no one was on the skis, but now they are everywhere. Popularity always breeds contempt. You have to expect that there's always going to be someone who wants to hate on whatever the big, new thing that's out there. It's the way things go these days I guess.
Just let me tell you that I've skied the shit out of every pair I've had and all of them have lasted for 120+ days. The Crows can take a lot of abuse. For me they are a reliable tool, that skis better than anything I've ever skied on.
May 22 2020 4:59AM
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warm_diet_coke
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I own a pair of daemons and they’re a good ski IMO.
3maniaThey are def big in that market, but you need to check out the Captis (90) and Camox (97) that are pretty amazing in the park and on mountain.
May 22 2020 5:00AM
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anders_a
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The ammount of freebirds and black crows in general in the posh resorts here are hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh. So more of a fashion thingy then straight up jerry



Tried to pick up a camox freebird on sale, didnt happen, sold out long ago
May 22 2020 8:01AM
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Butterytips69
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I know some greasy skiers on Black Crows but they got them before it was cool. I think now it's turning into a jerry ski, but the OG people are NOT jerries.
May 22 2020 10:11AM
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Non_State_Actor
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SwitchPizza69Full disclosure I’m not the one who thinks they’re a jerry ski. Fully aware of how sick the founders are, @Price_Police thinks that most of the regular people who ski them are of the jerry variety.


anders_aThe ammount of freebirds and black crows in general in the posh resorts here are hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh. So more of a fashion thingy then straight up jerry



Tried to pick up a camox freebird on sale, didnt happen, sold out long ago


A person called localsonvolkls is calling something Jerry? I wouldn't worry too much about their opinions.

I think the topsheets and Black Crows graphic design philosophy sell a ton of skis. Some of the skis are also very accessible and work for a variety of ability levels so that can help feed the stereotype.
May 22 2020 12:45PM
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Adtmartens
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I think its kind of a 50/50 split. There's no question that a lot of people rip on crows, like a bunch of the FWT people. Then there some jerries who have decided to upgrade for rentals and buy skis. They go and buy the most expensive ski in there shop because they think that means they will be cool on the hill.
May 22 2020 12:46PM
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eheath
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SwitchPizza69Full disclosure I’m not the one who thinks they’re a jerry ski. Fully aware of how sick the founders are, @Price_Police thinks that most of the regular people who ski them are of the jerry variety.


Most regular people who ski are Jerry's, what they buy doesn't necessarily make it a "jerry" piece of equipment, thats like saying someone who wears a certain brand while they ski groomers is a poser... who cares! theyre buying ski equipment, there could be a day where your favorite brand goes out of business because the "jerrys" dont buy it anymore, ever think about that?
May 22 2020 12:54PM
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snowfinder
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AdtmartensI think its kind of a 50/50 split. There's no question that a lot of people rip on crows, like a bunch of the FWT people. Then there some jerries who have decided to upgrade for rentals and buy skis. They go and buy the most expensive ski in there shop because they think that means they will be cool on the hill.

If you're 40 and over it is a requirement that you purchase unnecessary expensive skis.
May 22 2020 12:56PM
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SavageBiff
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I love my crows, they’re very well made, they rip, they surf , they carve and they put off a vibe I really agree with. Yes I believe skis put off their own vibe separate from their followers, I feel like designers and the skis profile and top sheet are what sets it vibe before the groupies come in and take sides.
May 22 2020 1:00PM
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anders_a
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I have to admit, I have "autosearch" out on our countries main tradeing site for black crows, what annoys me is that you are never able to find 187-195 lengths. its almost weird. If you find some, there are either nothing left of the ski/sole, or asking price is more than new.
May 22 2020 1:17PM
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Non_State_Actor
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snowfinderIf you're 40 and over it is a requirement that you purchase unnecessary expensive skis.


I'm 41, have three pairs of Black Crows in the household all purchased new, Ova Birdies $200, Daemon Birdies $300, and Noctas $400. I don't like to overpay for skis, there's too much seasonality to the market, just buy in the spring and pay half price except for the super boutique brands where you might save 25-30% unless you're buying demos or blems.

Edit: whether or not I am a Jerry is for others to judge.

**This post was edited on May 22nd 2020 at 4:11:32pm
May 22 2020 1:29PM
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ASSholebomber22
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No such thing as jerry skis. Just jerry skiers. Ski what you want and don't worry what other people think, ya fuckin' jerry.
May 22 2020 1:29PM
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270on420out
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They’re kinda like ON3Ps for boomers
May 22 2020 1:57PM
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Titus69
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Eh I mean the soul 7 is another type of “Jerry ski” but still comes down to the skier themself, it seems like they make a good ski with simple and cool graphics that people like, plus the width choice and the shapes are all pretty ideal for most conditions. Won’t say which stoner tv show actor bought an Atris after demoing them at my work but he loved em, so I figured I’d try them too and although hard pack landings kinda sucked at Park City they are fun all over and with some soft snow, see a lot of atris with shifts in Utah.
May 22 2020 2:32PM
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animator
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3maniaMaybe it's not common knowledge, but their head ski designer is Julian Regnier, who basically ( with JP, JF and the rest of the Canadian Air Force) started this freeskiing thing as well as being one of the founders of Armada. The 2 guys who own the company are real skiers. They got a vid where they are repelling into couloirs in Chamonix, home base for Black Crow, not exactly a jerry mountain.
When i started skiing them like 4 years ago, no one was on the skis, but now they are everywhere. Popularity always breeds contempt. You have to expect that there's always going to be someone who wants to hate on whatever the big, new thing that's out there. It's the way things go these days I guess.
Just let me tell you that I've skied the shit out of every pair I've had and all of them have lasted for 120+ days. The Crows can take a lot of abuse. For me they are a reliable tool, that skis better than anything I've ever skied on.

Yeah this is pretty much it. I grew up skiing in Cham and used to see them a lot there because like you pointed out, that’s where they started. The whole mentality that Regnier puts in to the skis is that they should be able to ski Grand-Montets top to bottom, without having to worry about the varying conditions (they vary greatly from the top to the bottom). I’ve owned a few pairs and loved them, but once they started selling in the US a few years ago, pretty much every American douchebag ever started picking them up because they were European and expensive, a lot like buying a Beemer. They are now the standard for, “I have too much money, so I bought these skis along with these $800 Dynafit boots but I have no clue how to use them.” It’s really sad because they make a great ski, but in the US they’re pretty much the new DPS. It’s the new fake boutique brand that people buy thinking that they’re unique in my opinion. Still great skis though, and there are some people who own them that actually do shred hard. Just my $0.02!
May 22 2020 2:45PM
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SuspiciousFish
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In my opinion you should never judge a skier by what skis they are riding.


You should judge them by how they carry their skis in the parking lot.
May 22 2020 4:11PM
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CalumSKI
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No
May 22 2020 4:12PM
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SEABURN
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the same guys that like Blizzard & Volkl like Black Crows.

me personally, I like more jib to my ski, so I lean towards Moment/ Armada / ON3P

a jerry on black crows, probably isn't a jerry... Maybe just a guy with money who doesn't ski a ton. At the very least I would assume the dude has better taste than a guy skiing S7s or QSTs

That being said, I've seen dope freestyle skiers who ride DPS, or the gnarliest dudes just ride something that was cheap. (old nordica patrons?) I see a lot of go getters on those Head Kore skis too

so I'm usually trying not to judge and just enjoy skiing.
May 22 2020 4:50PM
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little1337
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I think it comes with the popularity. They have exploded over the past couple years (at least in the US) and so tons of people are getting them as their step up ski. I feel like it's kind of like Line was back when they started to blow up, they had good skis and everything which makes sense why so many people want them.
May 22 2020 5:24PM
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highpeak
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Like it's been mentioned before, lots of relatively bad skiers ski on them, and I agree I often see teen/20's girls and then boomers. Also they've been getting very popular like mentioned above, so that'll breed some contempt for sure.

That being said, I've demoed the atris and they were super fun. I've demoed at least 10 skis in the 100-110mm freestyle category and the Atris was the only ski that came close to how much I enjoy my Jeff/Kartel 108's.

Based on blister/general word of mouth, the Anima seems like a really good ski and a very versatile 116 powder/freeride tool.

Unfortunately, there's not a ton of reliable reviews out there on the Nocta but what few NS/TGR users have said they're supposedly a great pow ski.

Also I think their graphics are sick personally, so that'll inevitably make them more popular/people who don't need to drop a lot of money on a ski will if they also like the graphics
May 22 2020 5:49PM
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GayWolf420
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frenchies rip the hell out of them, but theyre definitely the ikon passholder ski of choice
May 22 2020 6:18PM
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mcswizzle
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highpeakBased on blister/general word of mouth, the Anima seems like a really good ski and a very versatile 116 powder/freeride tool.


I ride anima freebirds as my main mid-winter touring set up and they rip way harder than a ski that light should. Hands down my favorite touring ski ever, not even a close second. Stable at speed, stiff enough to take pretty good size drops with confidence, and light enough to get you to wherever you want to ski.

However, I've been drawing prison tattoo-style doodles all over them, maybe out of a subconscious desire to distinguish myself a bit from the "average" Black Crow guy/gal (which in my experience tends to be the somewhat skilled but way overconfident backcountry skier who has no time or patience for anyone they might come across during their tour).
May 22 2020 6:42PM
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anders_a
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mcswizzleI ride anima freebirds as my main mid-winter touring set up and they rip way harder than a ski that light should. Hands down my favorite touring ski ever, not even a close second. Stable at speed, stiff enough to take pretty good size drops with confidence, and light enough to get you to wherever you want to ski.

how would you rate anima freebirds vs Bent chetler 120s? rocking the 120s with shift, and not sure anima freebird would give me anything
May 22 2020 6:55PM
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SEABURN
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anders_ahow would you rate anima freebirds vs Bent chetler 120s? rocking the 120s with shift, and not sure anima freebird would give me anything


@anders_a definite quiver overlap with the Bentchetler 120s
May 22 2020 7:04PM
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JmckR
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I'd say the majority of people who ski crows think they're better skiers than they really are.
May 22 2020 7:08PM
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mcswizzle
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anders_ahow would you rate anima freebirds vs Bent chetler 120s? rocking the 120s with shift, and not sure anima freebird would give me anything


Anima might be a bit more speed/charging oriented whereas bentchetler is all about playfulness. Pretty similar ski overall though, hard to go wrong between those two.
May 22 2020 7:11PM
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BrightFrog
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yes. icelantic is getting dangerously close
May 22 2020 7:13PM
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warm_diet_coke
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Sucker, I have the combined might of NS backing my opinion now @Price_Police
May 22 2020 7:19PM
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Bended_Toenail
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snowfinderIf you're 40 and over it is a requirement that you purchase unnecessary expensive skis.


Or ski daily on 10 year old skis
May 22 2020 10:11PM
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TreyMiddleton
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Haha I had a pair of the atris before I moved to ON3P. They are definitely sick skis and I would look at getting another pair. Also toured on a pair of my dad’s camox freebirds for a season and they were sick... im 17
DIRTYBUBBLEThey’re kinda like ON3Ps for boomers
May 23 2020 12:53AM
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little1337
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DIRTYBUBBLEThey’re kinda like ON3Ps for boomers


Best description i've seen of them so far
May 23 2020 11:48PM
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Price_Police
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DIRTYBUBBLEThey’re kinda like ON3Ps for boomers


DeebieSkeebiesfrenchies rip the hell out of them, but theyre definitely the ikon passholder ski of choice


I 100% agree with both these posts.
May 24 2020 5:49PM
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AGOF
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I had a pair of anima freebird a as tour setup that I absolutely loved, then they snapped in half my 6th day on them. Fun ski but I found a true touring oriented ski does not hold up for me. RIP

Back to a heavy touring setup I go.
May 26 2020 2:49AM
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Granby_killdozer
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I like my atris(es?) I can charge through moguls, drop cliffs and throw 3s with ease on them. I think Blackcrows' target demographic is similar to DPS which means they get the attention of rich trustafarian jerries and dentists but w/e. I'm glad that money goes to the french shredders who make them so they have money to spend on baguettes and cigarettes.
May 26 2020 6:26PM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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I know a few people who ride them, they seem like good skis. As with any ski though, you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the next soul 7.
May 26 2020 6:31PM
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Titus69
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BigPurpleSkiSuitI know a few people who ride them, they seem like good skis. As with any ski though, you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the next soul 7.


Don’t even remind me of soul 7s right now, my short stint as a dad on em was awesome and I can’t believe they’re discontinuing their best ski ever.
May 26 2020 6:37PM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Save them and cherish them forever, we didn't know how blessed we were
Titus69Don’t even remind me of soul 7s right now, my short stint as a dad on em was awesome and I can’t believe they’re discontinuing their best ski ever.
May 26 2020 6:47PM
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Titus69
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BigPurpleSkiSuitSave them and cherish them forever, we didn't know how blessed we were


Blame covid, had to sell em to save some extra dough, those rare top sheets may get tattooed on my arm, powder turn rocker, the air tip, the base that said cambercambercamber til it became rocker. They’re now in a southern Cali garage owned by a dad who just wanted a ski to teach the kids on.
May 26 2020 7:02PM
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highpeak
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BigPurpleSkiSuitI know a few people who ride them, they seem like good skis. As with any ski though, you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the next soul 7.


For all the shit they get on NS and in general, I've heard they're honestly great skis for a certain type of crowd
May 27 2020 6:28PM
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Titus69
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highpeakFor all the shit they get on NS and in general, I've heard they're honestly great skis for a certain type of crowd


Not that I’ve experienced a ton of different skis, but god damn they are easy to ski. Can’t haul dick and charge of course but groomers are pretty fun and any level of pow is pretty fun, just so easy to maneuver but yeah they can’t do everything our demographic likes.
May 27 2020 6:35PM
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SavageBiff
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Titus69Not that I’ve experienced a ton of different skis, but god damn they are easy to ski. Can’t haul dick and charge of course but groomers are pretty fun and any level of pow is pretty fun, just so easy to maneuver but yeah they can’t do everything our demographic likes.

Super7rd??




Gotta say idk a ski that can do everything I like extremely well, especially when there’s balls to the wall days, surfy days , groomer rippin hardpack days and moguls and cliff days , though there are some that are” capable “of all things.
May 27 2020 7:22PM
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Titus69
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SavageBiffSuper7rd??




Gotta say idk a ski that can do everything I like extremely well, especially when there’s balls to the wall days, surfy days , groomer rippin hardpack days and moguls and cliff days , though there are some that are” capable “of all things.


My friend had super 7s and he said he loved ripping all mtn on em, not sure how hard but they could handle big backies. Soul 7s are good til you’re airborn on hard pack or ripping chop. Will get some again in 15-20 years maybe, they’ll be vintage.
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