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rice.chexJust shut up dolan. Your logic makes 0 sense
Prove it dickmaster.
go drive to a hockey rink and spend an hour loading snow into a pickup, then drive to an urban rail, spend another hour shoveling snow from the pickup onto the inrun and exit, then scrape the rail from top to bottom so its smooth and doesnt catch, then put on your skis and boots (which will wear out from walking on the ground), then hit the rail 10-50 times until you ride away clean, do all this, with your friends, and make sure you remember the most important thing: remember, your doing this for fun, and you dont get to film it.
Go put in all that effort for fun; you dont get to film it, remember?
Im sure you would go through all that without filming, i totally believe you bro...
go drive to a hockey rink and spend an hour loading snow into a pickup, then drive to an urban rail, spend another hour shoveling snow from the pickup onto the inrun and exit, then scrape the rail from top to bottom so its smooth and doesnt catch, then put on your skis and boots (which will wear out from walking on the ground), then hit the rail 10-50 times until you ride away clean, do all this, with your friends, and make sure you remember the most important thing: remember, your doing this for fun, and you dont get to film it.
Go put in all that effort for fun; you dont get to film it, remember?
Im sure you would go through all that without filming, i totally believe you bro...
Lol
You seem like the type of virgin who spends his time telling other people how to fuck.
Since you asked, though - how would you like him to prove it - seeing as he doesn't get to film it - remember?
go drive to a hockey rink and spend an hour loading snow into a pickup, then drive to an urban rail, spend another hour shoveling snow from the pickup onto the inrun and exit, then scrape the rail from top to bottom so its smooth and doesnt catch, then put on your skis and boots (which will wear out from walking on the ground), then hit the rail 10-50 times until you ride away clean, do all this, with your friends, and make sure you remember the most important thing: remember, your doing this for fun, and you dont get to film it.
Go put in all that effort for fun; you dont get to film it, remember?
Im sure you would go through all that without filming, i totally believe you bro...
Lol
Just because its not fun for you doesn't mean its not fun for someone else.
DolanReloadedUrban is stupid bc 99% of the kids who do it are doing it to get it on film and post it online or put it in an edit.
if 75% of urban skiing was done without filming it (just for fun) i would have a different opinion of it.
Inb4 lying sacks of shit claiming “even tho i film all my urban tricks i would still have hit them even if we didnt have a camera”
total bullshit
Having a chairlift to drag your lazy ass up a mountain is the biggest factor in making skiing such an enjoyable recreation activity.
The best part about urban is how creative you can get. It's art. Tons of different ways to hit a feature, so many possible angles to film from, usually urban environments have other elements to film that allow it to be easily edited into something dope. I get not liking urban, but the filming part? Stfu let people create and either enjoy the art or ignore it and move on
DolanReloadedUrban is stupid bc 99% of the kids who do it are doing it to get it on film and post it online or put it in an edit.
if 75% of urban skiing was done without filming it (just for fun) i would have a different opinion of it.
Inb4 lying sacks of shit claiming “even tho i film all my urban tricks i would still have hit them even if we didnt have a camera”
total bullshit
Having a chairlift to drag your lazy ass up a mountain is the biggest factor in making skiing such an enjoyable recreation activity.
Are you fucking stupid, that's like saying big mountain is wack because people film it. The Big Mountain shots that make it in movies and edits would not be done if they weren't filmed.
Dudes aren't going to send massive shit off 80 foot cliffs for fun. Yeah for the first few times they might but not for years on repeat. You might find some guys down to send some big lines and cliffs but after a bit their gonna stop unless and their filming it or getting paid. Seeing as the only way to get paid is by filming it, getting paid is the by-product of filming.
Most of the dudes who pursue big mountain and hit huge lines and cliffs are the ones getting paid. The ones that aren't are the guys who stop skiing regulatory and stop hitting massive features.
You take your all mountain skills and jump skills then bring them to the back country to send off cliffs. Just like you take your rail skills in a terrain park to the streets. So yeah the point would be to film so you can keep doing it on a consistent basis.
Im not saying urban isnt somewhat cool, because some urban i do think is cool.
but for the urban obsession to be so prevalent that a ski company actually markets their skis as “built for urban” i think its getting a bit silly.
I personally dont get a rush from hitting a rail unless im disastering a flat down; i probly wouldnt have trouble staying on an easy urban handrail but it just wouldnt be fun for me. I think urban hits that feature big gaps and legit airtime are pretty cool: but its not something i would do for fun.
i can get much more weightlessness from straight airing the big line all day while still being lazy as fuck.
I dont out of hand hate urban; it just doesnt seem as fun to me as a good park.
DolanReloadedIm not saying... i do think... i think... I personally dont... im disastering... i probly wouldnt...
...be fun for me I think... i would... i can...
being lazy as fuck. I dont...
fun to me....
iggyskierYou seem like the type of virgin who spends his time telling other people how to fuck.
Since you asked, though - how would you like him to prove it - seeing as he doesn't get to film it - remember?
Having the owner of arguably the biggest independent ski company calling a dude out for being a hypocritical virgin is the exact reason why I go on NS and one of the gazillion reasons I love ON3P. I'm not religious but God bless America
Im kinda walking back my opinion that alot of people seemed to misgauge so of course im going to be saying “i think this i think that” alot.
i dont hate urban; it just doesnt seem like the beating heart of Freeskiing.
some people do think that the heart of skiing is urban.
some people think its big mountain/backcountry
I think its split between hitting well built kickers in the park, and stopping in the middle of a tree run to administer multiple intravenous marawanas.
skiing cant play the same roles as skateboarding. They are very different industries.
DolanReloadedIm not saying urban isnt somewhat cool, because some urban i do think is cool.
but for the urban obsession to be so prevalent that a ski company actually markets their skis as “built for urban” i think its getting a bit silly.
I personally dont get a rush from hitting a rail unless im disastering a flat down; i probly wouldnt have trouble staying on an easy urban handrail but it just wouldnt be fun for me. I think urban hits that feature big gaps and legit airtime are pretty cool: but its not something i would do for fun.
i can get much more weightlessness from straight airing the big line all day while still being lazy as fuck.
I dont out of hand hate urban; it just doesnt seem as fun to me as a good park.
You are clearly trolling with your "machavellian persuasion tactics" but I bet if you tried to hit a street rail, slammed on the concrete a couple times, then overcame the adversity of the situation to get a clip you could watch in the future and say "hey I did that" you would understand why people do it. It's fun to do things that are scary and dangerous and come out (mostly) unscathed.
Then if you did it enough you would eventually understand how the shape and construction of our skis lends itself to this type of skiing.
Then you might start looking at spots out the window while you're driving. You might start keeping a notebook of spots you've seen. You might start watching endless videos, some from decades ago, to see other people's spot selection, techniques, building strategies as well as their song selection, editing and pacing.
Before you know it, you'll be identifying the best kind of shovels to use, looking on google earth for changes in elevation in various US cities, and learning methods to build jumps in high pressure situations so you can get the shot before you get kicked out. Should you use a winch? a bungee? Is there enough speed to have someone shovel whip you in to the feature? Did anyone bring water? Was that a security guard or a cop? Okay, ready? Drop.
The layers and nuances are nearly endless. All of this stress and technicality and preparation for a couple seconds of video. It sounds stupid because it is.
VISHNUYou are clearly trolling with your "machavellian persuasion tactics" but I bet if you tried to hit a street rail, slammed on the concrete a couple times, then overcame the adversity of the situation to get a clip you could watch in the future and say "hey I did that" you would understand why people do it. It's fun to do things that are scary and dangerous and come out (mostly) unscathed.
Then if you did it enough you would eventually understand how the shape and construction of our skis lends itself to this type of skiing.
Then you might start looking at spots out the window while you're driving. You might start keeping a notebook of spots you've seen. You might start watching endless videos, some from decades ago, to see other people's spot selection, techniques, building strategies as well as their song selection, editing and pacing.
Before you know it, you'll be identifying the best kind of shovels to use, looking on google earth for changes in elevation in various US cities, and learning methods to build jumps in high pressure situations so you can get the shot before you get kicked out. Should you use a winch? a bungee? Is there enough speed to have someone shovel whip you in to the feature? Did anyone bring water? Was that a security guard or a cop? Okay, ready? Drop.
The layers and nuances are nearly endless. All of this stress and technicality and preparation for a couple seconds of video. It sounds stupid because it is.
YOU SHOULD TRY IT.
Ive thought about hitting certain rails ive passed by during a snowstorm sure, but the whole scene just seems repetitive compared to how many spin/flip options there are on a good size park jump.
but saying your skis are built for urban is like a skateboard maker saying their boards are made for handrails in the city but not rails in a skatepark.
its makes no sense. Either a ski is durable or it isnt.
DolanReloadedIm kinda walking back my opinion that alot of people seemed to misgauge so of course im going to be saying “i think this i think that” alot.
i dont hate urban; it just doesnt seem like the beating heart of Freeskiing.
some people do think that the heart of skiing is urban.
some people think its big mountain/backcountry
I think its split between hitting well built kickers in the park, and stopping in the middle of a tree run to administer multiple intravenous marawanas.
skiing cant play the same roles as skateboarding. They are very different industries.
You are missing the point. You are acting like a subjective activity is objectively wrong. If you don't like urban, no problem. You can even say "I don't like urban, I think other parts of skiing are better" and nothing about that statement would be wrong - because it is your opinion.
But you are telling other people how they should feel and how they should ski, and then backing out and hedging when you are being called on it.
The beating heart of freeskiing...is skiing. It doesn't reside in one arena or one discipline. Trying to pigeonhole it into one type of skiing is counter to the entire concept of skiing as a whole.
Enjoy the skiing you like to do. I'm glad to hear you have parts of skiing you love, and it is clear given the plethora of threads you have started in the past couple months - trolling or not - that you have some sort of passion for it.
Focus on the positive and stop trying to knock others for doing it their way. They have no fucking obligation to have to justify it to you, period, but especially while being called a "dickmaster", being told that "urban is stupid", and that they are "lying sacks of shit".
You seem to be trying to create threads that add some level of technicality and higher level discussion to the forums - good on you - but as someone with valuable information to add to those discussions, my advice would be - grow the fuck up.
DolanReloadedbut saying your skis are built for urban is like a skateboard maker saying their boards are made for handrails in the city but not rails in a skatepark.
its makes no sense. Either a ski is durable or it isnt.
You market to your market. This same argument could be made for almost every ski in the industry.
**This post was edited on May 17th 2020 at 12:38:44am
go drive to a hockey rink and spend an hour loading snow into a pickup, then drive to an urban rail, spend another hour shoveling snow from the pickup onto the inrun and exit, then scrape the rail from top to bottom so its smooth and doesnt catch, then put on your skis and boots (which will wear out from walking on the ground), then hit the rail 10-50 times until you ride away clean, do all this, with your friends, and make sure you remember the most important thing: remember, your doing this for fun, and you dont get to film it.
Go put in all that effort for fun; you dont get to film it, remember?
Im sure you would go through all that without filming, i totally believe you bro...
Lol
Every time you comment you’re hurting your cause even more.
little1337This thread is full of bombshell responses
Scott’s response calling Dolan a hypocritical virgin is going down in my book of fav NS responses of all time lmao. It’s hilarious because you don’t see other ski company owners with that type of behavior on a public website. As already said, God Bless ON3P.
Going on the attack calling me a virgin when im trying to be polite is a pretty overconfident move, when i can just level the whole argument by stating there isnt more than 1 in 500 freeskiers who hits respectable urban rails just for the fuck of it and not filming it.
The people who try refute that statistic, i called lying sacks of shit, because liars are sacks of shit.
next time you guys hit a big urban rail—dont film it—just do it for fun, and after 20 tries when you nail it and ride away, REMEMBER, YOURE DOING IT FOR FUN, so go back up and hit it clean at least 10 more times, because its fun.
If a good skier films 99% of his urban and 1% of his cork 9 tails in the park, tell me again how these 2 venues are on equal footing? Because last time i checked, 99% and 1% are substantially different numbers.
If you like urban thats fine, but until you start hitting urban without filming as much as you hit park without filming stop trying to pretend they are just differences in taste.
skiing is supposed to be fun. The jake mageu edit for example seems so high strung and hard pressed—it doesnt look effortless or graceful or fun at all. Its not comfy
if you think my bias is completely subjective youre an idiot
Going on the attack calling me a virgin when im trying to be polite is a pretty overconfident move, when i can just level the whole argument by stating there isnt more than 1 in 500 freeskiers who hits respectable urban rails just for the fuck of it and not filming it.
The people who try refute that statistic, i called lying sacks of shit, because liars are sacks of shit.
next time you guys hit a big urban rail—dont film it—just do it for fun, and after 20 tries when you nail it and ride away, REMEMBER, YOURE DOING IT FOR FUN, so go back up and hit it clean at least 10 more times, because its fun.
If a good skier films 99% of his urban and 1% of his cork 9 tails in the park, tell me again how these 2 venues are on equal footing? Because last time i checked, 99% and 1% are substantially different numbers.
If you like urban thats fine, but until you start hitting urban without filming as much as you hit park without filming stop trying to pretend they are just differences in taste.
skiing is supposed to be fun. The jake mageu edit for example seems so high strung and hard pressed—it doesnt look effortless or graceful or fun at all. Its not comfy
if you think my bias is completely subjective youre an idiot
Dude you keep mentioning fun. What you dont seem to get is that many people find filming very fun and rewarding. Stop telling people what their definition of fun should be
iggyskierYou seem like the type of virgin who spends his time telling other people how to fuck.
DolanReloadedGoing on the attack calling me a virgin when im trying to be polite is a pretty overconfident move, when i can just level the whole argument by stating there isnt more than 1 in 500 freeskiers who hits respectable urban rails just for the fuck of it and not filming it.
The people who try refute that statistic, i called lying sacks of shit, because liars are sacks of shit.
next time you guys hit a big urban rail—dont film it—just do it for fun, and after 20 tries when you nail it and ride away, REMEMBER, YOURE DOING IT FOR FUN, so go back up and hit it clean at least 10 more times, because its fun.
If a good skier films 99% of his urban and 1% of his cork 9 tails in the park, tell me again how these 2 venues are on equal footing? Because last time i checked, 99% and 1% are substantially different numbers.
If you like urban thats fine, but until you start hitting urban without filming as much as you hit park without filming stop trying to pretend they are just differences in taste.
skiing is supposed to be fun. The jake mageu edit for example seems so high strung and hard pressed—it doesnt look effortless or graceful or fun at all. Its not comfy
if you think my bias is completely subjective youre an idiot
Tyler...
"Prove it dickmaster" = "trying to be polite"? Just confirming we're operating under a shared English dictionary here. Seeing as my statement was in response to yours.
"i can just level the whole argument by stating there isnt more than 1 in 500 freeskiers who hits respectable urban rails just for the fuck of it and not filming it."
Please provide evidence backing up this statement. Or if we're "being polite", in your words - "Prove it dickmaster."
Or just state "I am literally making this up as I go."
It's one or the other.
"The people who try refute that statistic, i called lying sacks of shit, because liars are sacks of shit. "
Refute that statistic? Please provide evidence backing up this statement. Or if we're "being polite", in your words - "Prove it dickmaster."
Or just state "I am literally making this up as I go."
It's one or the other.
"REMEMBER, YOURE DOING IT FOR FUN"
Remember when I told you that you seem like the type of guy who likes to tell others how they like to fuck? This is what I mean. You are assuming, in mass, someone's state of mind. It cannot be done.
"If a good skier films 99% of his urban and 1% of his cork 9 tails in the park, tell me again how these 2 venues are on equal footing? Because last time i checked, 99% and 1% are substantially different numbers. "
This statement is literal nonsense as it pertains to this conversation.
Please provide evidence and explanation of how the above scenario has manifest at scale in the current skiing media environment and how you can use this scenario to accurately measure the enjoyment levels of other skiers as they engage in both urban and park skiing?
"If you like urban thats fine, but until you start hitting urban without filming as much as you hit park without filming stop trying to pretend they are just differences in taste. "
This statement is literal nonsense as it pertains to this conversation.
"skiing is supposed to be fun. The jake mageu edit for example seems so high strung and hard pressed—it doesnt look effortless or graceful or fun at all. Its not comfy "
Again, you are stating an opinion as if your thoughts are Jake's thoughts. That is why we're here in the first place.
But as you seem really determined to tell Jake how he feels when he skis, PM me your number. I'm happy to hop on a call with the three of us so you can ask him directly if he is having fun when he skis.
Of literally all the pros I know to pick out as not having fun - Jake is about the last one I'd pick (honorable mention to Magnus and Meeks, too, love you guys).
That will give you ample opportunity to tell him directly how his skiing is not effortless, graceful, or fun.
"if you think my bias is completely subjective youre an idiot"
Your bias is by definition subjective.
If this is going to continue, please make an effort to make statements that are not assumption or have some basis in provable reality. A lot of people here are willing to have a high level discussion. This isn't it, though.
I will go on record here that I give it....35% chance you are just an exceptional, long running troll. In which case you have my respect - as someone who understands the value in a long joke - your commitment (if this is the case) is impressive.
**This post was edited on May 17th 2020 at 7:33:22am
Hahahaha goddamn Dolan you really freaked it this time. I gotta chime in and say the most fun part of street skiing for me is shoveling and no one films that. So do I get your permission to continue?
I think it’s kind of an interesting discussion, but I’ve hit plenty of urban without filming
Dolan I have a bit of a theory, have you never lived in a snowy place?
Some urban areas are as natural to ski as it is to go skateboarding in a city or build a jump with your buddies in the woods, in BC, or as a kid on the local golf course
you should give it a shot some time, it doesn’t have to be some sketchy high consequence rail, it can just be a fun little skate style line to lap
iggyskierBut as you seem really determined to tell Jake how he feels when he skis, PM me your number. I'm happy to hop on a call with the three of us so you can ask him directly if he is having fun when he skis.
I'd do this. I extend this offer to any NSer, call me when you need someone to ask you if you're having fun. Like your dad asking you if you're winning the video game.
"Prove it dickmaster" = "trying to be polite"? Just confirming we're operating under a shared English dictionary here. Seeing as my statement was in response to yours.
"i can just level the whole argument by stating there isnt more than 1 in 500 freeskiers who hits respectable urban rails just for the fuck of it and not filming it."
Please provide evidence backing up this statement. Or if we're "being polite", in your words - "Prove it dickmaster."
Or just state "I am literally making this up as I go."
It's one or the other.
"The people who try refute that statistic, i called lying sacks of shit, because liars are sacks of shit. "
Refute that statistic? Please provide evidence backing up this statement. Or if we're "being polite", in your words - "Prove it dickmaster."
Or just state "I am literally making this up as I go."
It's one or the other.
"REMEMBER, YOURE DOING IT FOR FUN"
Remember when I told you that you seem like the type of guy who likes to tell others how they like to fuck? This is what I mean. You are assuming, in mass, someone's state of mind. It cannot be done.
"If a good skier films 99% of his urban and 1% of his cork 9 tails in the park, tell me again how these 2 venues are on equal footing? Because last time i checked, 99% and 1% are substantially different numbers. "
This statement is literal nonsense as it pertains to this conversation.
Please provide evidence and explanation of how the above scenario has manifest at scale in the current skiing media environment and how you can use this scenario to accurately measure the enjoyment levels of other skiers as they engage in both urban and park skiing?
"If you like urban thats fine, but until you start hitting urban without filming as much as you hit park without filming stop trying to pretend they are just differences in taste. "
This statement is literal nonsense as it pertains to this conversation.
"skiing is supposed to be fun. The jake mageu edit for example seems so high strung and hard pressed—it doesnt look effortless or graceful or fun at all. Its not comfy "
Again, you are stating an opinion as if your thoughts are Jake's thoughts. That is why we're here in the first place.
But as you seem really determined to tell Jake how he feels when he skis, PM me your number. I'm happy to hop on a call with the three of us so you can ask him directly if he is having fun when he skis.
Of literally all the pros I know to pick out as not having fun - Jake is about the last one I'd pick (honorable mention to Magnus and Meeks, too, love you guys).
That will give you ample opportunity to tell him directly how his skiing is not effortless, graceful, or fun.
"if you think my bias is completely subjective youre an idiot"
Your bias is by definition subjective.
If this is going to continue, please make an effort to make statements that are not assumption or have some basis in provable reality. A lot of people here are willing to have a high level discussion. This isn't it, though.
I will go on record here that I give it....35% chance you are just an exceptional, long running troll. In which case you have my respect - as someone who understands the value in a long joke - your commitment (if this is the case) is impressive.
**This post was edited on May 17th 2020 at 7:33:22am
Jesus, this semantics shit makes you look like a lawyer trying to run the business on someone who knows nothing of the law even tho the lawyer has no leverage beyond posturing/intimidating.
youre making something simple into something much more compliicated than it needs to be, which is what people who want to intimidate/swamp others with sophistication do to elevate their image and appear smarter than they are. I had a politics professor in college who took juvenile politics concepts and twisted them into long convoluted sentences in her lectures. Your doing yourself a disservice by jumping in the same boat as her with your overcomplication.
You sound like you are trying to semantically do a show and dance around the real issue; my argument actually is relevant as fuck to what we are talking about.
If you dont think my filming/not filming argument is a major indictment of the idea that “skiers would still be hitting every urban spot they do now even if they werent filming it”, then i cant help you. I can accept that urban without filming could be fun, but i dont think its reasonable to put it on equal footing with doing park or tree run laps with respect to recreation level.
**This post was edited on May 17th 2020 at 7:22:47pm
DolanReloadedJesus, this semantics shit makes you look like a lawyer trying to run the business on someone who knows nothing of the law even tho the lawyer has no leverage beyond posturing/intimidating.
youre making something simple into something much more compliicated than it needs to be, which is what people who want to intimidate/swamp others with sophistication do to elevate their image and appear smarter than they are. I had a politics professor in college who took juvenile politics concepts and twisted them into long convoluted sentences in her lectures. Your doing yourself a disservice by jumping in the same boat as her with your overcomplication.
You sound like you are trying to semantically do a show and dance around the real issue; my argument actually is relevant as fuck to what we are talking about.
If you dont think my filming/not filming argument is a major indictment of the idea that “skiers would still be hitting every urban spot they do now even if they werent filming it”, then i cant help you. I can accept that urban without filming could be fun, but i dont think its reasonable to put it on equal footing with doing park or tree run laps with respect to recreation level.
**This post was edited on May 17th 2020 at 7:22:47pm
For someone who absorbs in formation 7x faster than the average human, you are really failing to see the point. YOUR VIEWS ON URBAN ARE AN OPINION. should it be said one more time?
DolanReloadedIve thought about hitting certain rails ive passed by during a snowstorm sure, but the whole scene just seems repetitive compared to how many spin/flip options there are on a good size park jump.
but saying your skis are built for urban is like a skateboard maker saying their boards are made for handrails in the city but not rails in a skatepark.
its makes no sense. Either a ski is durable or it isnt.
Dolan skis on BlackCrows
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also Dolan
**This post was edited on May 21st 2020 at 12:11:15pm
Seriously though. Yellowstone opened the other day and a lady got gored by a bison.
When is this ON3P x Vishnu bison shirt dropping??? I need to waste these trump bucks somewhere semi responsibly (American company).
