Finiding a boot ... Ascendant / Lupo Air 130 / Lupo AX120 / Lupo 130C

Can't speak to either of those specific boots but in my experience Dalbello is superior to fill tilt for overall quality.

I would go for the Ascendant, there is just nothing like having Full Tilt boots on your feet.

A friend of mine uses the Lupo, and we were doing some long touring and he twisted the entire liner and cracked to tongue.

Also, the new Sammy C ascendant looks sick

Bened_notnilI would go for the Ascendant, there is just nothing like having Full Tilt boots on your feet.

A friend of mine uses the Lupo, and we were doing some long touring and he twisted the entire liner and cracked to tongue.

Also, the new Sammy C ascendant looks sick

The Lupo Air doesn’t have a tongue and the Sammy C Ascendant coming out next season is even heavier than the current Ascendant due to the shell being made of PU instead of Grilamid. Go with what you think OP, if you think they both fit well and they’re around the same stiffness, might as well go for the lighter one!

Bened_notnilI would go for the Ascendant, there is just nothing like having Full Tilt boots on your feet.

A friend of mine uses the Lupo, and we were doing some long touring and he twisted the entire liner and cracked to tongue.

Also, the new Sammy C ascendant looks sick

Twisted the liner? That doesn't make sense to me. I've been on the Lupo for 4 seasons (250 days) and haven't had any durability issues other than scuffing, I'm hard on gear too.
Dalbello's are generally much higher build quality than Full Tilt from what I've seen.

But just get the one that fits

They really feel equally stiff to you?

I only flexed the Lupo Air indoors but it felt incredibly soft to me, way softer than any "130" I've used apart from maybe the Head Kore 1. Maybe it's stiffer on snow or they updated it from the version I tried on a showroom floor, but the Ascendant seems like the better option for aggressive skiing. Or you could go with the Lupo AX 120 for something that falls in between the two, and it should fit very similarly to the other two.

animatorThe Lupo Air doesn’t have a tongue and the Sammy C Ascendant coming out next season is even heavier than the current Ascendant due to the shell being made of PU instead of Grilamid. Go with what you think OP, if you think they both fit well and they’re around the same stiffness, might as well go for the lighter one!

Ah. probably just messed up, probably a different boot. sorry

jcaTwisted the liner? That doesn't make sense to me. I've been on the Lupo for 4 seasons (250 days) and haven't had any durability issues other than scuffing, I'm hard on gear too.
Dalbello's are generally much higher build quality than Full Tilt from what I've seen.

But just get the one that fits

I guess I messed up on what boot it was, sorry

patagonialukeThey really feel equally stiff to you?

I only flexed the Lupo Air indoors but it felt incredibly soft to me, way softer than any "130" I've used apart from maybe the Head Kore 1. Maybe it's stiffer on snow or they updated it from the version I tried on a showroom floor, but the Ascendant seems like the better option for aggressive skiing. Or you could go with the Lupo AX 120 for something that falls in between the two, and it should fit very similarly to the other two.

You're right. Comparing the two again the next day I have also come to the conclusion that the air is way softer.
Preference is with the Ascendant now.

I'd also consider the Dalbello Lupo AX 120 or the Lupo Factory Pro (if you are willing to shell out for them). Both great boots, tour really well, ski really well. The tongue is removable for touring up, which gives better range of motion and lightens them up. Pop the tongues in for the way down and they rip just like an alpine boot. The only compromise is it takes a little longer to transition. Best boot I've owned though hands down, they do it all.

I have the AX120 and love it, but I mean it all comes down to what fits you best

Thank you all for your feedback. In the meantime I have come to the conclusion that the Ascendant doesn't quite fit at 285mm while I didn't find the Lupo Air stiff enough.

I have since ordered a pair of Lupo AX120 (last=100mm) and Lupo 130C (last=98mm) at 280/285mm.

Length of my feet: 277mm when leaning forward
Width of my feet: 98...100mm.
(I obtained these measures by placing my feet between really thick paperback books being arranged parallel and then measuring their distance.)
When measuring the width as specified by Mondopoint I obtain something like 100...105mm.

The last time I had a fitting boot selected in a ski store, it ended up being an Atomic HAWX PRIME 110 S at 280/285mm so I figured that a boot with Mondopoint 280mm and a last of 100..105mm should be good.

But, the Dalbello Lupo is totally confusing:

Both, the AX120 and the 130C feel good in length.
I am clearly touching the front when standing upright, and no longer touching when flexing.
Both give me the feeling of being nicely tight on the sides.
Both were uncomfortable at my inner ankles at first but felt good after wearing them for 10 to 20 minutes.

However, when doing a shell fit, I seem to have tons of space in the back!
I can fit 20..29mm behind my heels depending on how I measure.

So, should I try a boot at 270/275mm?
What's your experience with Lupos, do you get them at a smaller size than boots made by other manufacturers?

**This post was edited on May 16th 2020 at 7:37:06am