Dean cummings charged with murder

GrandThingsIf you're ever wondering why people on this website fucking hate you, it's because you post idiotic shit like this. Jesus fucking Christ please either go to back school or focus your fucking account.

Why you rustled? if you dont think genetics has a non-negligible effect on whether or not a european either by himself or with his family chooses to migrate to a far distant land in search of opportunity, youre pretty fucking stupid and intellectually talentless.

if you had any intellectual talent youd understand that just because something isnt written about in your monthly issue of scientific american doesnt mean it must be false or misguided.

You think being an intellectual is a participation trophy, and that all you have to do to walk around like youre the shit intellectually is read and regurgitate ideas that you could never have discovered on your own.

oh and more ppl here like me than they do a shiteating fake intellectual like yourself.

but none of the books or articles youve read have talked about how much of a fatherfucking loser you are so keep that chin up einstein.



your mommy must be proud of her little scientist boy...

**This post was edited on Mar 16th 2020 at 10:28:59am

DolanReloadedSwitzerland is even more gun crazy than the us, and their murder rate per capita is orders of magnitude less than the rate in the us. America has alot of mental illness because of the migrators mindset. People who chose to uproot from europe and sail to america probably have tangeable genetic differences from europeans who stayed put.

mental health needs more attention.

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I don’t know where you got your information but Switzerland is not “gun crazy.” I lived there for 10 years and I’m a citizen. Any person who is either Swiss, or wishes to obtain citizenship (e.g. a Swiss passport), is obliged to complete 9 months of military service. The reason that data suggests there are a lot of guns per capita is because you are given a weapon for the duration of your service. It is nothing like the United States where you can walk in to a store and buy guns and ammunition as long as you’re over 18. It’s a relatively small country and given that many people complete the military service, there is a high number of guns per person. We’re not “gun crazy” at all.

DolanReloadedWhy you rustled? if you dont think genetics has a non-negligible effect on whether or not a european either by himself or with his family chooses to migrate to a far distant land in search of opportunity, youre pretty fucking stupid and intellectually talentless.

if you had any intellectual talent youd understand that just because something isnt written about in your monthly issue of scientific american doesnt mean it must be false or misguided.

You think being an intellectual is a participation trophy, and that all you have to do to walk around like youre the shit intellectually is read and regurgitate ideas that you could never have discovered on your own.

oh and more ppl here like me than they do a shiteating fake intellectual like yourself.

but none of the books or articles youve read have talked about how much of a fatherfucking loser you are so keep that chin up einstein.



your mommy must be proud of her little scientist boy...

**This post was edited on Mar 16th 2020 at 10:28:59am

Lol so I'm just gunna ignore the personal attacks here and go right into your argument.

How does your hypothesis consider the colonials and pilgrims who founded America? Were they genetically inferior because they fled Europe? Do you hate our founding fathers? Are you Anti-America?!?!

(Also yes, I believe my mother is quite proud of me.)

DolanReloadedWhy you rustled? if you dont think genetics has a non-negligible effect on whether or not a european either by himself or with his family chooses to migrate to a far distant land in search of opportunity, youre pretty fucking stupid and intellectually talentless.

if you had any intellectual talent youd understand that just because something isnt written about in your monthly issue of scientific american doesnt mean it must be false or misguided.

You think being an intellectual is a participation trophy, and that all you have to do to walk around like youre the shit intellectually is read and regurgitate ideas that you could never have discovered on your own.

oh and more ppl here like me than they do a shiteating fake intellectual like yourself.

but none of the books or articles youve read have talked about how much of a fatherfucking loser you are so keep that chin up einstein.



your mommy must be proud of her little scientist boy...

**This post was edited on Mar 16th 2020 at 10:28:59am

Yea... he's the one who's "rustled". who hurt you Dolan

skiermanAll firearms are designed to kill, you fucking moron.

Check your meter bro

This is being discussed extensively over on TGR. There are people there who have dealt directly with Dean, so if anyone wants more perspective there is some of it over there. Obviously take everything said with a grain of salt.

I really have not idea what happened, but it is horrible any way you slice it.

I'm older than most here, and Dean was one of my favorite skiers. He was part of a generation that really changed the equipment we ski on and the ski industry in general. When we finally got to see our heroes hucking cliffs to Pennywise it was a welcome change. Dean had some insane segments, he is one of the reasons skiing is where it is today.

Idk, i get not wanting to weigh in till the details are all in, but some people are fanboying too hard. If you're life long friends with somebody that's cool, and I get it, but it's not like there aren't legit ground if he's being charged woth murder.

People acting like nothing is up and it's a conspiracy are kind of dicks imo.

elliotfitzgeraldI got mixed feelings about this. I know it's America, but if you're going to murder someone and claim it was self defense, I wouldn't recommend shooting them with a semi-auto? Regardless, if he's innocent and it really was self defense, I really hope he isn't found guilty.

Plenty of people use AR-15s for home defense. Nightstand pistols are semi auto, many shotguns are semi auto. Using a different action (bolt, pump, etc) just assures your assailant more time to attack, and helps prevent the defender from panic pulling the trigger.

Tough break Dean, hope it wasn't truly murder.

theabortionatorIdk, i get not wanting to weigh in till the details are all in, but some people are fanboying too hard. If you're life long friends with somebody that's cool, and I get it, but it's not like there aren't legit ground if he's being charged woth murder.

People acting like nothing is up and it's a conspiracy are kind of dicks imo.

Pretty ridiculous comment. Are you American? Do you know that in this country, by law you are innocent until proven guilty?

That said, this has nothing to do with "fanboying" or a "conspiracy."

It has to do with the rule of law. You acting like "something is up" is just your preconceived notion of guilt without due process.

Here hopefully this helps:




due proc·ess

/d(y)o͞o prəˈses/







noun










fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement.

blazeonyiaPretty ridiculous comment. Are you American? Do you know that in this country, by law you are innocent until proven guilty?

That said, this has nothing to do with "fanboying" or a "conspiracy."

It has to do with the rule of law. You acting like "something is up" is just your preconceived notion of guilt without due process.

Here hopefully this helps:




due proc·ess

/d(y)o͞o prəˈses/







noun










fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement.

Fuck this. I like the dude, he had a huge impact of skiing but that doesn't absolve him if he did this. He wasn't charged with manslaughter etc, he was charged with murder. It's bullshit conspiracy for everyone to assume there isn't any grounds for that just because they like the guy and ski.

The amount of ignorant comments on facebook blow my mind. Im not the judge or the jury. Maybe he's guilty maybe not, but people acting like he couldn't have done it just because they're fans is fucked up. I get not wanting to believe it but there are some straight trash comments out there.

The "guilty till proven innocent " is shot af. He very likely had reason to be charged. If you don't want to believe it's possible fucked up thats fine, but it's more likely than a giant conspiracy by the police to fuck over a skier you like.

GrandThingsLol so I'm just gunna ignore the personal attacks here and go right into your argument.

How does your hypothesis consider the colonials and pilgrims who founded America? Were they genetically inferior because they fled Europe? Do you hate our founding fathers? Are you Anti-America?!?!

(Also yes, I believe my mother is quite proud of me.)

Ok, as an example, why do you think america is full of people who watch shows like “law and order” and “CSI” and support the most punitive legal system in the world?
Do you think it has anything to do with the genetic predispositions of the witch hanging puritans who had an out of hand justice and punishment fetish?

Russia today is similarly full of psychos because stalin weeded out 20 million of russias level headed free thinkers, and now they are left with the garbage offspring of people who were fucked up enough to think a communist nation wasnt worth fleeing.



genetics are important.

theabortionatorIdk, i get not wanting to weigh in till the details are all in, but some people are fanboying too hard. If you're life long friends with somebody that's cool, and I get it, but it's not like there aren't legit ground if he's being charged woth murder.

People acting like nothing is up and it's a conspiracy are kind of dicks imo.

I'm not sure if this is directed at me or not, but I don't think I'm fanboying. I am not implying that there is some sort of conspiracy. If you read the thread over on TGR you will not find much of that over there either. I have never met him, so I don't really know much about him. I am reading comments over there from people who have dealt with him, they have more perspective than I do. I can assure you that the comments are not on the order of fanboy/conspiracy stuff, but I will let you read them to make a judgment. There are lots of people over there who have dealt with him directly, and I don't mean they met him once or twice. The comments don't tend to support the idea of a conspiracy, but like I said, you should read them for yourself. They are certainly NOT acting like nothing is up and it is just a conspiracy.

Here is a link to the thread. The modern stuff starts on page 7, but the beginning of the thread gives some perspective on what was up with Dean. There seems to have been cause for concern BEFORE this happened. I would encourage anyone interested to read the thread, at least from page 7. Like I said, it is FAR from a bunch of fanboys.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/328241-Dean-Cummings-went-full-bore-crazy

This is horrible, whatever the truth is. To be in a situation where something like this can happen is awful, even if it WAS self-defense.

dan4060I'm not sure if this is directed at me or not, but I don't think I'm fanboying. I am not implying that there is some sort of conspiracy. If you read the thread over on TGR you will not find much of that over there either. I have never met him, so I don't really know much about him. I am reading comments over there from people who have dealt with him, they have more perspective than I do. I can assure you that the comments are not on the order of fanboy/conspiracy stuff, but I will let you read them to make a judgment. There are lots of people over there who have dealt with him directly, and I don't mean they met him once or twice. The comments don't tend to support the idea of a conspiracy, but like I said, you should read them for yourself. They are certainly NOT acting like nothing is up and it is just a conspiracy.

Here is a link to the thread. The modern stuff starts on page 7, but the beginning of the thread gives some perspective on what was up with Dean. There seems to have been cause for concern BEFORE this happened. I would encourage anyone interested to read the thread, at least from page 7. Like I said, it is FAR from a bunch of fanboys.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/328241-Dean-Cummings-went-full-bore-crazy

This is horrible, whatever the truth is. To be in a situation where something like this can happen is awful, even if it WAS self-defense.

Didn't mean to be so aggressive honestly. Just have seen some ignorant shit on facebook especially. I guess we'll just see what happens. I'll check out the thread though.

Lots of good and bad hot takes in here, but trying to remain an uninterested party (as I know his legend status), I got a couple take aways that might determine how this will go:

-He got charged with murder and not manslaughter, as I think abortionator mentioned... that's a big deal. If the cops even moderately considered self defense than it would likely be a manslaughter charge unless court saw otherwise (I think).

-The article is unclear, but if he got "sprayed in the face with something" and then went out to his truck, only to return and shoot the guy with a rifle... he's fucked, that's not self defense.

-The portion of the article about him not identifying himself and refusing to answer questions sounds like it's swaying towards him being sketchy (which not identifying yourself is), but I too, would never answer questions without a lawyer present.

-Pretty sure murder and manslaughter charges on a res go straight to US local/fed court in most cases, at least they do where I've lived, but I could be wrong about this res as I have no knowledge of the tribe.

-The firearms hot takes in this thread suck ass. Bottom line: if you shoot someone with a rifle outside of your dwelling, you're going to jail in pretty much any state unless they're armed and shooting you or others. Unfortunately, in many scenarios, the type and appearance of the firearm influences charges... just not in this case, because it's not looking good.

I'm sure the responding officers body cam will be out on youtube soon.

theabortionatorDidn't mean to be so aggressive honestly. Just have seen some ignorant shit on facebook especially. I guess we'll just see what happens. I'll check out the thread though.

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dude sometimes your posts are lowkey so poetic lmao

theabortionatorDidn't mean to be so aggressive honestly. Just have seen some ignorant shit on facebook especially. I guess we'll just see what happens. I'll check out the thread though.

No worries. I get where you are coming from. Honestly, I would check out the thread. Take everything with a grain of salt, remember that some of these people have had dealings with Dean in the past and not all of them have been pleasant, but what you will not find are a bunch of people who are saying it is all a conspiracy against him. And these are people who are older than the Newschoolers crowd, many of them came up watching Dean, McConkey and Kreitler the way lots of these kids watched Wallisch. Honestly his online rants, which you can find at the beginning of the thread, really do not paint a stable picture. They actually could probably be used to show his mental state.

Like I said, we don't know the whole story, but it certainly does not look good. I am going to try to limit the details on this, because they really are not the point, but we bought a home a few years ago. Several months before we bought the home we had to get out of another one after signing the contingencies. We had done a ton of research about price, we had a strong idea of the market, but we listened to our real estate agent and thought we could trust her. It turned out there was lots of non-permitted work on the house, I'm talking about stuff like knocking down interior walls, stuff that REALLY needs to be permitted. The guy who sold it to us was a house flipper and a sleazebag, he claimed there was no work done without permit that he knew of. The house was built in 1960, and there were no permits on the house. He had done serious work, with no permits, and he knew it. He had purchased the home nine months before putting it on the market, then he put the home on the market for 40 percent more than he had purchased it for. Home in Newport Beach had NOT gone up by 40 percent in the nine months and the guy knew it. The only way he would have been able to justify such a price increase would be with significant work done. We found out he had a significant outstanding loan to a construction company. Our attorney told us that while we would win in court, he had lied on the disclosures about lots of things, it would not go to trial for six months, during which time we would be tied up. She also told us that we would probably never get legal fees from him, he had about six different LLCs, even though we would win in court. We ended up going to mediation with the guy and paying him a few thousand to get out of the contingencies. It was an expensive lesson, when we did buy our house we made sure EVERYTHING was permitted.

The point is that we went to mediation to solve our differences with the scumbag, and we SURE AS FUCK DID NOT BRING AN AR-15 to mediation. Once again, I don't know the whole story, it is possible Dean is telling the truth here, but in real estate disputes you go through the proper legal channels. If you feel the need to bring a serious weapon to confront someone about a real estate transaction, well that is some pretty serious evidence that you should be going through the proper legal channels. Just the fact that he felt the need to bring a gun is a pretty compelling argument for not going to where he was.

To be clear, I don't know what happened. He is innocent until proven guilty, but at this point it looks pretty bad from what is being reported. To the younger people here, in real estate transactions, and other such issues, if you think you need a gun when you are going to confront someone about a dispute that is some pretty serious evidence that you need to get the proper authorities involved. If you feel you need a gun to be safe then you probably should not be there in the first place. One again, I'm not presuming to know what happened. But there is no reason to be in this situation in the first place. Unless someone has kidnapped your wife/girlfriend/child/family member you really should not be going over there with a gun, and even in that case it is a situation best left to the professionals. One of the issues with mental illness is that people with these issues often think there are conspiracies out to get them, meaning that they can't go through the proper channels. That is one of the things that can lead to this type of situation.

Anyway, this is sad and fucked up all the way around.

elliotfitzgeraldI got mixed feelings about this. I know it's America, but if you're going to murder someone and claim it was self defense, I wouldn't recommend shooting them with a semi-auto? Regardless, if he's innocent and it really was self defense, I really hope he isn't found guilty.

nobody smart would trust their life to a single shot rifle in a self defense scenario. His choice of rifle was sound, his actions not so much.

You’re telling me the musket above my bed won’t do me any good?

Nickc88nobody smart would trust their life to a single shot rifle in a self defense scenario. His choice of rifle was sound, his actions not so much.

maxcapYea... he's the one who's "rustled". who hurt you Dolan

Im just curious, why do you think somebody hurt me?
most of my angst comes from the fact that people with the engineering/math/physics mind are about as poorly treated relative to their value as Jews were by the nazis. Engineers and architects are the people who build your society, yet they make chump change compared to doctors and lawyers.



theres a war going on between people with high verbal iq like lawyers and people with high nonverbal iq like engineers and scientists.



If engineering salaries were higher than salaries of doctors and lawyers, you would see a much less caustic Dolan.

DolanReloadedIm just curious, why do you think somebody hurt me?
most of my angst comes from the fact that people with the engineering/math/physics mind are about as poorly treated relative to their value as Jews were by the nazis. Engineers and architects are the people who build your society, yet they make chump change compared to doctors and lawyers.



theres a war going on between people with high verbal iq like lawyers and people with high nonverbal iq like engineers and scientists.



If engineering salaries were higher than salaries of doctors and lawyers, you would see a much less caustic Dolan.

What the fuck are you rambling about now? What the fuck does this have to do with literally anything?

Profahoben_212What the fuck are you rambling about now? What the fuck does this have to do with literally anything?

Chill son. Maxcap asked me who hurt me, as if i was damaged. At least thats shat i gathered from him asking “who hurt you dolan...”

DolanReloadedChill son. Maxcap asked me who hurt me, as if i was damaged. At least thats shat i gathered from him asking “who hurt you dolan...”

And I thought I was a horrible troll.

skiermanAnd I thought I was a horrible troll.

skierman, compared to me you cant even call yourself a troll.

DolanReloadedskierman, compared to me you cant even call yourself a troll.

Let me know when you survive countless bans and half a dozen perma bans, you low fruit snagging bitch. All you do is post your shitty and incoherent political views and call it trolling.

You're no better than the Fox News hosts who say they're combating the "MSM" when they promote pop cultural BS on the largest media channel in the U.S. You're a weak piece of trash with an inflated ego. If you stopped posting today, you'd be forgotten about before summer's end.

If you don't believe me, which you should because I'm right about everything, give it a shot. Do not post. Do not respond for the next 5 months. If you respond its because you're terrified and know I'm right because you're a fucking snowflake with a paper-thin ego. Come on you little bitch. If you're this confident you shouldn't have an issue. Prove me wrong.

skiermanLet me know when you survive countless bans and half a dozen perma bans, you low fruit snagging bitch. All you do is post your shitty and incoherent political views and call it trolling.

You're no better than the Fox News hosts who say they're combating the "MSM" when they promote pop cultural BS on the largest media channel in the U.S. You're a weak piece of trash with an inflated ego. If you stopped posting today, you'd be forgotten about before summer's end.

If you don't believe me, which you should because I'm right about everything, give it a shot. Do not post. Do not respond for the next 5 months. If you respond its because you're terrified and know I'm right because you're a fucking snowflake with a paper-thin ego. Come on you little bitch. If you're this confident you shouldn't have an issue. Prove me wrong.

Inferiorboy, if you only knew how much it tickled my ass to see you blunder your way into your own ginger holocaust, youd be in tears right now.

skiermanLet me know when you survive countless bans and half a dozen perma bans, you low fruit snagging bitch. All you do is post your shitty and incoherent political views and call it trolling.

You're no better than the Fox News hosts who say they're combating the "MSM" when they promote pop cultural BS on the largest media channel in the U.S. You're a weak piece of trash with an inflated ego. If you stopped posting today, you'd be forgotten about before summer's end.

If you don't believe me, which you should because I'm right about everything, give it a shot. Do not post. Do not respond for the next 5 months. If you respond its because you're terrified and know I'm right because you're a fucking snowflake with a paper-thin ego. Come on you little bitch. If you're this confident you shouldn't have an issue. Prove me wrong.

Waiting for reply you soulless ginger clownslut crotch festival

DolanReloadedWaiting for reply you soulless ginger clownslut crotch festival

Posts immediately, proving skierman right.

For the record the rest of your comments are incoherent nonsense, in case you feel like adding to your dumbass intro

This just came out:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2421062/dean-cummings

BigPurpleSkiSuitThis just came out:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2421062/dean-cummings

Threads so i can give it a read when i get home

BigPurpleSkiSuitThis just came out:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2421062/dean-cummings

well done article. Crazy stuff seeing the background around everything

What a wild ass story

BigPurpleSkiSuitThis just came out:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2421062/dean-cummings

what the fuck

That article is definitely worth a read, holy shit. I feel terrible for him and everyone that his actions affected, hopefully he gets better

there's no part of this story that isn't incredibly sad

You tend to hear about situations where someone needed help and never got it, and then something bad happens which could have been prevented. But that doesn't seem to be the case here because it seems like a lot of people tried to help him but in the end there was nothing anyone could do. Hope his family is doing ok

Saw him 3 years ago at an event in Portland. He gave a presentation that LJ and I watched. We talked to him after for a min. Seamed totally normal but definitely a crazy story.

The article talks about that, how he seems totally normal for periods of time

WormracerSaw him 3 years ago at an event in Portland. He gave a presentation that LJ and I watched. We talked to him after for a min. Seamed totally normal but definitely a crazy story.

Damn awesome article, but what an absolute tragedy for both his family and the victim. Mental health issues are so serious.

BigPurpleSkiSuitThis just came out:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2421062/dean-cummings

good article. thanks for posting man

I don't know if this will work, but here's his wife's full commentary on it

https://www.facebook.com/KarenSCummings/posts/10221842242797712

Having a sibling who suffers from something similar (just without the severe paranoia) it’s truly frightening to see someone you know SO well just be a completely different person. And then having to tell a loved one, who is an adult, they can’t take care of themselves anymore for mental health reasons? Gah damn this is a tough read :/
In my experience, no one is going to get better until they want to and it’s tragic that it had to come to this. The picture of him after the shooting with long hair is very harrowing...

Looks like he was acquitted.

https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/dean-cummings-found-not-guilty-guillermo-arriola-murder-case/

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1054935/---I-Just-Started-Pulling-the-Trigger-----Dean-Cummings-Testifies-About-Shooting-Guillermo-Arriola

PacificRimJobLooks like he was acquitted.

https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/dean-cummings-found-not-guilty-guillermo-arriola-murder-case/

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1054935/---I-Just-Started-Pulling-the-Trigger-----Dean-Cummings-Testifies-About-Shooting-Guillermo-Arriola

Oh thank goodness. I love it when a story has a happy ending.

forgot about this. wildest skier felony i can think of besides skierman's animal diddling case

hopefully he gets some help

Christian_Balehopefully he gets some help

He doesn't need help, that's why he was acquitted.

skiermanOh thank goodness. I love it when a story has a happy ending.

I don't think a story where someone is dead ever has a happy ending. Unless it's got like, Nazis or Confederates involved or whatever..