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Mindbender 108ti vs Moment Commander 108 vs ON3P Wrenegade

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ASSholebomber22
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Anyone skied any or both of these? Both the moment and k2 have a nice mellow rocker profile, a decent amount of taper and a bit (or a lot) of metal.

I currently own the Wrenegade's but I kind of feel like there is too much rocker in the front, combined with a wide tail with minimal taper gives an odd sensation when trying to drive the ski and initiate a turn. I think they just may be best for more snow than I take them out on, could just be me. Also not psyched on the feel of bamboo. Super damp, yes, but maybe too much to the point where things feel a bit muted.

All my experience with this, or maybe just clever marketing, seems to point to the mindbender or the commander as the charger to have.

Thots?
Jan 8 2020 11:40PM
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HypeBeast
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I assume you're talking about the wren 108? I've got the 96 and they're killer explosive out of a turn if you really put em on edge. Maybe the 108's are a bit different but I'm for sure digging the bamboo and extra dampness of the ski. Very comforting at speeds in variable terrain.

Edit: it did take a few runs to get the feel for the skis but they're beautiful now

**This post was edited on Jan 9th 2020 at 12:43:35am
Jan 9 2020 12:42AM
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xxACIDTRIPxx
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Subbed. I’m wanting too get a charger. The 108 mind bender looks so freaking sweet.
Jan 9 2020 3:17AM
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ASSholebomber22
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BST_PoliceI assume you're talking about the wren 108? I've got the 96 and they're killer explosive out of a turn if you really put em on edge. Maybe the 108's are a bit different but I'm for sure digging the bamboo and extra dampness of the ski. Very comforting at speeds in variable terrain.

Edit: it did take a few runs to get the feel for the skis but they're beautiful now

**This post was edited on Jan 9th 2020 at 12:43:35am


Yeah the 108's. I can really push the ski if there's a good amount of fresh or chop, get it to bend well and get great energy out of it. Problem is when hitting windbuff/chalk in between windblown/corn. I have a hard time getting the shovels to dig in and just end up skidding a turn. Maybe it's more a geometry thing than a material thing, or the snow is just lighter in CO than they were designed for. Idk
Jan 9 2020 9:46AM
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shin-bang
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Demoed the wrens. I really
enjoyed them except when I got back seat...

I’m a huge fan of the bamboo-bulldozer feel of most on3ps.
Jan 9 2020 10:50AM
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sharhodes
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The Wren can be described as such, real fucking good
Jan 9 2020 10:55AM
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hot.pocket
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Having ridden the Mindbender 108 and Commander 108, and generally knowing how ON3P skis feel and reading reviews of the Wrenegade 108, I'd list them as such:

Most forgiving / least charging

Mindbender 108
Commander 108
Wrenegade 108

Least forgiving / most charging
Jan 9 2020 1:24PM
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patagonialuke
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hot.pocketHaving ridden the Mindbender 108 and Commander 108, and generally knowing how ON3P skis feel and reading reviews of the Wrenegade 108, I'd list them as such:

Most forgiving / least charging

Mindbender 108
Commander 108
Wrenegade 108

Least forgiving / most charging


I agree with this^

Would also add that the Commander 108 has felt to me like the poppiest / most energetic of the bunch. Both the Mindbender and Commander are easier to engage and get on edge than the Wren on firm snow, while I'd take the Wren 108 for straight-up flotation in super deep snow.
Jan 9 2020 2:41PM
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RudyGarmisch
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BiffbarfYeah the 108's. I can really push the ski if there's a good amount of fresh or chop, get it to bend well and get great energy out of it. Problem is when hitting windbuff/chalk in between windblown/corn. I have a hard time getting the shovels to dig in and just end up skidding a turn. Maybe it's more a geometry thing than a material thing, or the snow is just lighter in CO than they were designed for. Idk


I'd check the tune in the tips just to be sure that they're not detuned too far. As a long time user of the 108, you do need some speed to get them going and they do redefine 'big broad turns'.

And too many people ski in Colorado on them for that snow thing to be true.
Jan 9 2020 10:44PM
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Bdoobz
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Been skiing MB108Ti and it blasts through everything. I haven't used the other options here so I can't speak to them. But I haven't found a condition that the mindbender doesn't shred through.
Jan 10 2020 11:29AM
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ASSholebomber22
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RudyGarmischI'd check the tune in the tips just to be sure that they're not detuned too far. As a long time user of the 108, you do need some speed to get them going and they do redefine 'big broad turns'.

And too many people ski in Colorado on them for that snow thing to be true.

Yeah you right, probably just a bad excuse on my part. Could very well be I just don't have the cojones to nuke down everything in sight to take advantage of the ski. I do remember thinking they were pretty dull when I got them from the factory, I'll run a file over em and see how they run.
BdoobzBeen skiing MB108Ti and it blasts through everything. I haven't used the other options here so I can't speak to them. But I haven't found a condition that the mindbender doesn't shred through.


I see some guys at my local absolutely fuggin RIP on them and it gets me stoked. What length you ski?
Jan 10 2020 5:31PM
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Bdoobz
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BiffbarfI see some guys at my local absolutely fuggin RIP on them and it gets me stoked. What length you ski?


Yeah man, they destroy everything. I'm on the 186cm (5'11", 185lbs). Probably could've gone up to the 193 but wanted it to be a tad more playful.
Jan 10 2020 10:43PM
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