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BC Camox vs ARV96 TI

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Rochey
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So this post could spiral out of control into a myriad of questions but:


Anyone used these recently, or any advice on either ski. Read a few posts comparing mid fat twins but these 2 don’t seemed to get compared too often as I think they’re marketed at different people but on paper they seem pretty similar, to me anyway (and made in the same factory)

Looking for something I can charge the whole mountain, Park —> Backcountry. These will probably be my daily driver, more side hits than boxes though.

I have Edollos (172) as a pure park set up, but they feel a bit soft in icy side piste when I’m sniffing around for a bit of fun in there. So I figure a stiffer, slightly more directional ski will cure my pangs for something sendier in tougher conditions & that I can basically go anywhere on. 96 underfoot is a bit of a sweet spot for me, it’s a width that just seems to work, secure landings, floaty and I can get on edge - what more could you want?

Has anyone toured with either as I might put a shift on them?

Also has anyone used a shift in the park?

Not sure if going too versatile will ruin it?

Happy if anyone has any other suggestions that could fit the bill?

Bit about me, old, overweight and not as good at this as I think I am.
173 tall, about 90kg so probably looking 170 Arv or 174 Camox
Ski in Europe - Germany/Austria and dabble in Switzerland.
Instructor standard on groomers, enthusiastic intermediate off piste/backcountry
absolute tourist in the park but I love it!

**This thread was edited on Jan 4th 2020 at 4:24:16pm

**This thread was edited on Jan 5th 2020 at 1:24:37pm
Jan 4 2020 4:01PM
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katrina
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My bf has the arv 106 with shifts on it. It's a great one and done ski, we Skinned side country this morning and then he was hitting rails this afternoon.
Jan 4 2020 4:10PM
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Rochey
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Budget wise I’m prepared to make sacrifices for the right set up.
Jan 4 2020 4:29PM
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Rochey
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Amazing, thank you!


Yeah I operate well within the DIN range and have used them on some Volkl M5 Mantras just not ran them through the park.



katrinaMy bf has the arv 106 with shifts on it. It's a great one and done ski, we Skinned side country this morning and then he was hitting rails this afternoon.
Jan 4 2020 4:32PM
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animator
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katrinaMy bf has the arv 106 with shifts on it. It's a great one and done ski, we Skinned side country this morning and then he was hitting rails this afternoon.

I ski my Shifts everywhere and they do just fine, doesn’t feel any different to a typical alpine binding. The Camox is a real fun ski that is surprisingly stable given how light it is. Real good on piste and in the park, and floats well for a ski that’s 97 underfoot. Definitely wouldn’t be a horrible touring ski, but for Europe you’d be better off sticking a Shift on something a little wider. Hope this helps!
Jan 4 2020 6:24PM
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powpatrol
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I ski the Camox and have done for 4 seasons. It’s a really,really fun ski that, as you say, handles everything. Edge hold on groomers is outstanding and can be whipped back and forth on every type of snow until your too exhausted to stand. It’s flex is perfect for this, with a super solid underfoot and stiff (but manageable) tail as well as as controlled softness in the tip which allows for lots of creativity and freedom. With correct technique the 97 width is completely adequate for powder and having used the ski in Verbier, Chamonix, Val d’isère, St Anton etc etc I was never feeling as if there was more width needed. The ski can definitely be toured upon and i’ve seen a couple shift setups recently which seem to work well. If touring is a large focus, you can always have a look at the freebird version, which is lighter and features a slightly different construction (?). For me, now that my ski technique and level has increased I would actually ski the 177 rather than my 174 ( I’m 173 cm tall) as it could provide more float in deeper powder and a more powerful ride overall. However the 174 is greatly manageable in the air and through super tight couloirs or tree sections ( I especially love the ability it has to pivot in such tight spaces or bumps).
Jan 5 2020 9:32AM
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Rochey
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Thanks Everyone will probably stick a shift on whichever ski I go for then

Mega informative Powpatrol! Thank you!
Jan 5 2020 1:34PM
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WestieBogan
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Hiya - I have skied the 2019 Camox for the last two seasons in NZ and it's a fantastic all rounder. I am 95kg and 180cm and bought the 178cm, which I now think are a bit short for me. Just to sow some confusion into the mix for you, I also have a pair of 2019 BC Atris in the 184 length, and actually prefer them to the Camox in everything but tight bumps. They are more stable at speed and feel super smooth. They seem to carve nicely for a 108 waist ski too. In vids see a lot of people touring on the Atris - both the standard and Freebird versions.
Jan 9 2020 7:28PM
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Rochey
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Against everyone’s judgement I went for the Armadas...

Fell in love with them in the shop, took them out last night and they effing charge!!


German alps haven’t had much snow yet so smashing through ice & crud is what I’m looking for right now and they feel super planted on smashed up icy pistes and tough bumpy stuff outside the markers.

They feel like they want to be thrown around. Which I like.



Will hopefully get a tour in them this weekend so after giving them a good run will give my opinions for anyone else considering them.
Jan 10 2020 3:35PM
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powpatrol
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RocheyAgainst everyone’s judgement I went for the Armadas...

Fell in love with them in the shop, took them out last night and they effing charge!!


German alps haven’t had much snow yet so smashing through ice & crud is what I’m looking for right now and they feel super planted on smashed up icy pistes and tough bumpy stuff outside the markers.

They feel like they want to be thrown around. Which I like.



Will hopefully get a tour in them this weekend so after giving them a good run will give my opinions for anyone else considering them.


Have Fun :P
Jan 11 2020 6:15AM
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anders_a
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@Rochey still loving the 96ti?



I want something that can carve hard and not fold on itself, but still hit jumps in the park, I allready have a dedicated park ski, so willing to have some sacrifices there.



Looking at arv 96, arv 96 ti, camox... or other suggestions.
Feb 19 2020 11:51AM
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Rochey
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I got the TI yeah

Love ‘em been in loads of conditions in them and in the park and they feel solid.

The stiffness is confidence inspiring, just don’t expect to get a butter on them.

You’ve got park skis, the TI’s are the skis for everywhere else, especially bad snow conditions
Feb 19 2020 12:46PM
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Non_State_Actor
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anders_a@Rochey still loving the 96ti?



I want something that can carve hard and not fold on itself, but still hit jumps in the park, I allready have a dedicated park ski, so willing to have some sacrifices there.



Looking at arv 96, arv 96 ti, camox... or other suggestions.


The regular ARV 96 is not a ski to carve hard especially on hard snow, I have not used the Ti version so cannot comment.
Feb 19 2020 1:26PM
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