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Lange XTfree 130 / Technica Cochise DYN 130

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traildude
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Well i tried them both on at my local shop, both have a great shell fit. I ski resort 90% of the time but need a tech boot for work. Time to make the decision but having a tough time!
XT Free Good: Coming off an RS130 so they are familiar, should be able to throw my Surefoot liners in.
XT Free Good: Durable walk mechanism,
XT Free Good: little lighter than the Cochise
XT Free Bad: Some worries about plastic durability
XT Free Bad: Some people say they are much softer than the Cochise, i like a stiff boot.

Cochise Good: Stiff alpine boot
Cochise Good: Nicer stock liner
Cochise Bad: Heavy, though coming off my RS130 will still feel a lot lighter
Cochise Bad: Read about failures of the walk mechanism.


Any advise greatly appreciated. Leaning towars the XT Free but curious what others who have skied both boots think!

Cheers!
Oct 8 2019 4:57PM
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animator
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Both are good boots, it comes down to what feels right on your foot and what you like. The XTFree is a good boot but the range of motion is limited compared to other "crossover" type boots on the market. The Cochise is also a decent boot, but to me personally feels really soft for a 130. Both are great boots and will serve you well, but I have a few recommendations as well if I may

Rossignol Alltrack Pro 110 or 120 - This boots feels stiffer than the Cochise and has 50 degrees of motion, which is a lot for a boot that is not a dedicated touring boot.

Salomon QST Pro 130 - a really great boot with a good range of motion. The endofit tongue is a cool feature where it makes the boot almost like a 3 piece design, without the issues that arise from 3 piece boots.

Dalbello Lupo (Ax 120 or Pro HD) - also some really great boots. These are very supportive and do well with hard charging skiers. In order to get the 60 degrees of motion, you have to remove the tongues, but that's not as annoying as everyone says it is. If you're skiing 90% resort, these are good options.

I'm a bootfitter in NH and we get a lot of questions about crossover boots nowadays. Hope this helped!
Oct 8 2019 5:29PM
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traildude
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animatorBoth are good boots, it comes down to what feels right on your foot and what you like. The XTFree is a good boot but the range of motion is limited compared to other "crossover" type boots on the market. The Cochise is also a decent boot, but to me personally feels really soft for a 130. Both are great boots and will serve you well, but I have a few recommendations as well if I may

Rossignol Alltrack Pro 110 or 120 - This boots feels stiffer than the Cochise and has 50 degrees of motion, which is a lot for a boot that is not a dedicated touring boot.

Salomon QST Pro 130 - a really great boot with a good range of motion. The endofit tongue is a cool feature where it makes the boot almost like a 3 piece design, without the issues that arise from 3 piece boots.

Dalbello Lupo (Ax 120 or Pro HD) - also some really great boots. These are very supportive and do well with hard charging skiers. In order to get the 60 degrees of motion, you have to remove the tongues, but that's not as annoying as everyone says it is. If you're skiing 90% resort, these are good options.

I'm a bootfitter in NH and we get a lot of questions about crossover boots nowadays. Hope this helped!


Thanks for the info! I went through a Dalbello phase and they never quite felt right, has the Lupo TI. Might have to go slip a pair of Salomons on!
Oct 8 2019 5:53PM
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SendyMcSendyface
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The solomons are dope, I've been riding them for a few years now. Not as stiff as they are advertised, but pretty damn comfy, although that is really dependent on your foot. Something to note with them though, they can only switch between alpine and touring soles ~10x; the screws that hold the soles on just go into the plastic, so if you are gonna be switching between touring/wtr style bindings, and a standard alpine binding alot, I wouldn't recommend them.
Oct 8 2019 7:08PM
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traildude
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SendyMcSendyfaceThe solomons are dope, I've been riding them for a few years now. Not as stiff as they are advertised, but pretty damn comfy, although that is really dependent on your foot. Something to note with them though, they can only switch between alpine and touring soles ~10x; the screws that hold the soles on just go into the plastic, so if you are gonna be switching between touring/wtr style bindings, and a standard alpine binding alot, I wouldn't recommend them.


I will be using only standard bindings and a set of techs, thanks for the reply! Now to find a pair to try on and a decent deal
Oct 8 2019 8:45PM
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onenerdykid
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SendyMcSendyfaceSomething to note with them though, they can only switch between alpine and touring soles ~10x; the screws that hold the soles on just go into the plastic, so if you are gonna be switching between touring/wtr style bindings, and a standard alpine binding alot, I wouldn't recommend them.

Every boot being discussed here is the same in this regard though, Salomon just put a number to it for legal reasons. You're going to run into the same issues with all of these boots with screwed on soles.
Oct 9 2019 3:01AM
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patagonialuke
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traildudeI will be using only standard bindings and a set of techs, thanks for the reply! Now to find a pair to try on and a decent deal


One thing to keep in mind is that, for the QST series, the tech fittings are a part of the sole blocks, rather than the boot's shell. So you can only use tech bindings with the QST's touring soles, since its alpine soles do not have tech fittings. Most other boots in this category (including the XT Free, Cochise, Lupo, and Alltrack) have their tech fittings in the shell itself, which probably makes more sense for you because you could keep the alpine sole blocks on there to use in your alpine bindings and still have the option to use the boots in tech bindings, without having to swap soles. If you were to use the QST every day, you'd need an MNC alpine binding (e.g., Salomon / Atomic Warden, Marker "ID" bindings, Tyrolia Attack AT) that could work with the QST's touring soles.
Oct 9 2019 10:09AM
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WHITEFISHNATE
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I recently tried all of the above boots and a few others as well, and I absolutely fell in love with the Atomic Hawx Ultra xtd 130. Most comfortable, great support, didnt squeak when walking around in them, good flex, and I loved the walk mode. I just ordered a pair yesterday.
Oct 9 2019 10:15AM
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tiger_shart
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I just got the Lange XT 120 and I'm super hyped on them. They're built on heavier plastics than the 130s, feels a little more stout and less squishy even though the flex label is lower. plus they're about a $100 cheaper. I think atomic is doing something similar with the XTD 130 and 120, same boot design with more resort oriented plastics and liners.
Oct 9 2019 5:42PM
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traildude
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That's pretty interesting, I just put in a order for the xt130's after trying the salomons, came down to din soles and hopefully my surefoot liners for my rs130 just slide right in! Thanks for the info everyone
Oct 9 2019 5:59PM
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CabbyArrant
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WHITEFISHNATEI recently tried all of the above boots and a few others as well, and I absolutely fell in love with the Atomic Hawx Ultra xtd 130. Most comfortable, great support, didnt squeak when walking around in them, good flex, and I loved the walk mode. I just ordered a pair yesterday.


So you went to a shop and then ordered them online.....?
Oct 11 2019 11:03AM
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WHITEFISHNATE
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I went to a shop and tried them on, they wouldn't budge on the price, so I called my buddy who was also a dealer and he ordered them and gave me 20% off. Makes a pretty big deal on a pair of $800 boots.
Oct 11 2019 12:52PM
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freeskier865
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Fischer ranger free 130 Lightest stiffs alpine boot with tech toes and ski/walk feature on the market
Oct 23 2019 1:54AM
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VT_scratch
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do any of you ride crossover boots in the park? I've been on a pair of garmont shamans for 10 years now and they need to be retired! how bad would a crossover boot be in the park? Buying a pair of park skis for the first time in years, but still probably wont get many park days in. when there is snow, I ski it.
Aug 13 2020 8:51PM
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animator
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VT_scratchdo any of you ride crossover boots in the park? I've been on a pair of garmont shamans for 10 years now and they need to be retired! how bad would a crossover boot be in the park? Buying a pair of park skis for the first time in years, but still probably wont get many park days in. when there is snow, I ski it.

I skied a Scarpa Maestrale RS in the park just fine (granted I’m not much of a rail skier though). Jake Carney skis Mindbenders in the park without a problem. As long as it has a burly walk mode you should be fine. The boots with the external metal bar (Mindbender, Atomic Hawx XTD) or the 3 piece boots (Dalbello Lupo, Full Tilt Ascendant) will be fine.
Aug 13 2020 9:09PM
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VT_scratch
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animatorI skied a Scarpa Maestrale RS in the park just fine (granted I’m not much of a rail skier though). Jake Carney skis Mindbenders in the park without a problem. As long as it has a burly walk mode you should be fine. The boots with the external metal bar (Mindbender, Atomic Hawx XTD) or the 3 piece boots (Dalbello Lupo, Full Tilt Ascendant) will be fine.


sick thanks for the reply. I hadn't even heard of the mindbender.
Aug 13 2020 10:16PM
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animator
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VT_scratchsick thanks for the reply. I hadn't even heard of the mindbender.

I bought one because the Maestrale RS was too much boot in the sense that I don’t tour enough to warrant it. So I bought the Mindbender and it’s awesome, great for touring (as long as we’re not talking 3 mile approaches) and it skis just as well as an alpine boot. Awesome in the park too!
Aug 13 2020 10:43PM
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anders_a
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I have 40+ days on the 2020 dyn 130 now, including a lot of park (jumps mostly) , the walk mechanism is supposed to be revised and beefed up.
Aug 14 2020 4:15AM
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FaunaSkis
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VT_scratchdo any of you ride crossover boots in the park? I've been on a pair of garmont shamans for 10 years now and they need to be retired! how bad would a crossover boot be in the park? Buying a pair of park skis for the first time in years, but still probably wont get many park days in. when there is snow, I ski it.

I ride XTFree 130s in the park. I used to ride RS110s and love the solid flex on the 130s. The boot fits well so I don’t have issues of shin or toe bang as long as they’re buckled up right. No problems with impact damage to the lighter weight buckles or the walk mode. I’m not particularly harsh on my gear but I’ve had no problems riding park on my crossovers.
Aug 15 2020 6:16AM
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VT_scratch
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FaunaSkisI ride XTFree 130s in the park. I used to ride RS110s and love the solid flex on the 130s. The boot fits well so I don’t have issues of shin or toe bang as long as they’re buckled up right. No problems with impact damage to the lighter weight buckles or the walk mode. I’m not particularly harsh on my gear but I’ve had no problems riding park on my crossovers.


awesome thank you
Aug 18 2020 3:44PM
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tiger_shart
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Yah, I had a pair of xt 120s this season and loved them. Skied/toured most of the winter and then was able to hit some park laps at hood on them this summer. so far so good, nothings broken and they ski great. I got the 120 partly because it has less grilamid, but mostly because it was cheaper. I really cant tell a difference in the flex between the 120 and 130, but having a super stiff boot isn't my style anyways. They did great in everything, much better than my lupo factories I had last season, which skied super harsh and had constant buckle issues. The heel hold on the xt is really nice, I went up a size this year for more comfort touring/walking and my foot still feels more secure than it did in the lupo. There's some good deals on them right now too, most places have them for under $400.
Aug 22 2020 2:26PM
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GayWolf420
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got these boots, gonna get the same work done that I did on my regular boots (Mach MV 130). just out of curiosity, has anyone used either boot with kingpins and had any issues?
Sep 6 2020 10:33PM
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Hellblazer_23
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buy full tilts
Sep 13 2020 8:47PM
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VT_scratch
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Has anyone also tried the Ascendents?
Sep 24 2020 2:14PM
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