ON3P Billy Goat vs Faction CT 5.0

Moment Wildcat could be a good option I think it's a little lighter than the BG but still chargey. They make a 179 BG if you're concerned about the weight, but honestly just hit the gym a little bit and a 184 would slay pretty hard, be aware thought that BG's aren't gonna ride switch that well, if you're concerned about throwing tricks I'd probably go toward Kartel's or something else.

.Duncan.Moment Wildcat could be a good option I think it's a little lighter than the BG but still chargey. They make a 179 BG if you're concerned about the weight, but honestly just hit the gym a little bit and a 184 would slay pretty hard, be aware thought that BG's aren't gonna ride switch that well, if you're concerned about throwing tricks I'd probably go toward Kartel's or something else.

I was planning on bulking up over summer to make them work. Thanks so much

you dont want a light charger. you want a heavy ski for those stunts

Im similar except taller. 6' 1" 145lbs. I used to ski the Goats as my daily in all PNW conditions and never had problems with em neing too big or heavy even onhardpack or groomer days. I have ridden the 5.0s too but really didnt like em much except for in deep dry pow which we dont get as often. The Goats were way more responsive in the trees and felt more stable on landings (only hit park booters on the 5.0s but still felt washy without the camber to absorb some impact and rebound.) The goats are a heavier ski but you wont notice that in the air or hitting features unless your gonna be trying swaps on rails. That weight also really helps you stomp things and ride out ofthings that other skis wouldnt buck ya on. Goats also because of their beef just charge crud like fucking crazy. Straightlining chopped up crud on them is maybe the most fun you can have with em...

I miss my goats. Seriously just buy a pair...

Go with the 5.0. It’s shape and rocker profile lends more to doing tricks than the Goat. I know NS has a big loyalty to ON3P (and for good reason), but those two particular skis are in a little bit of a different category. If you are doing tricks off of big cliffs and features, the 5.0 is going to be a good option. If you like ON3P though, check out the Kartel 116. Also a super solid ski, similar to the 5.0 but a little bit heavier and it has camber.

animatorGo with the 5.0. It’s shape and rocker profile lends more to doing tricks than the Goat. I know NS has a big loyalty to ON3P (and for good reason), but those two particular skis are in a little bit of a different category. If you are doing tricks off of big cliffs and features, the 5.0 is going to be a good option. If you like ON3P though, check out the Kartel 116. Also a super solid ski, similar to the 5.0 but a little bit heavier and it has camber.

I tried the 5.0s today and liked then for low angle fun but they just didnt have the same stability and power as the goats. I loved not having camber underfoot for just fucking around. So I've come to a conclusion. I'm going to get the Goats for next season because I just love the way they ski for charging. And if I have the cash I'll add the Moment Meridian to my quiver as well for a fun and fast full rocker ski. Thanks for all the input guys

Before you make your decision, wait for the woodsman and st Lucas

Just wanted to say, I had a pair of 2014 4.0s (same dimensions as current 5.0s w/ different core) and really enjoyed the way they rode. I also have a pair of goats that are my dailys and the Factions were my touring setup. Coming off a cambered ski, flat skis definitely dont feel chargy and instead feel loose BUT ski on them for multiple days and youll see a difference. The factions are actually quite capable of charging super hard but they require a different stance. Think more neutral so youre able to pivot without moving on your feet but leaning forward into your boots and charging with the underfoot of the ski as that is the first place of contact with the snow. Once you get the feel for them, they're incredibly stable and fun in variable conditions.

Tl;dr: give the candides a few days of demoing to get a feel for them as they ride completely different than many other skis out there.

I ski the Faction CT 5.0 as my everyday ski, its so much fun and does everything. def not heavy at all. 11/10 recommend!

on3p for the win

i blindly bought a pair of 189 billy goats for a good deal since they seemed like a ski that would suite me. i havent looked back. I rock them with sth2 16s. Some would say this is a massive/heavy setup.

Billy goats really require you to drive them and have a good forward stance the whole time. you must be in the proper "drivers seat" position (hands forward, good posture, shin pressure all the time, aggressive skiing) otherwise they arent any fun.

i was worried about hard pack performance, but they rip all groomers, the only thing they suck at is ice, which is to be expected.

i rip them every day except for dedicated jib days. they stomp so much better than anything ive been on. very stiff and supportive. theyre my favorite to take off jumps because they're so supportive and i can actually land with a forward stance.

the asymmetrical design is soo catch free, i love it. skiing pow has never been easier or faster

at this point im just rambling but if you have other specific questions feel free to ask away.

shin-bangon3p for the

at this point im just rambling but if you have other specific questions feel free to ask away.

Do you reccomend the 179 or 184? I'm 5'9 and 135lbs. Mostly ski steep tree lines, open bowls, cliffs, and fast groomers. I'd say I'm an expert/Advanced Intermediate

Austintexas25Do you reccomend the 179 or 184? I'm 5'9 and 135lbs. Mostly ski steep tree lines, open bowls, cliffs, and fast groomers. I'd say I'm an expert/Advanced Intermediate

Other peeps feel free to chime in with this, im a tall guy and always ride the longest ski possible... so I’m not a very good size judge.

Go 184 if you want slightly more stability

179 if you want to be able to whip them around more.

With all the rocker you could go 184 and probably be ok. Remember on3ps actually are full sized. A tip to tail tape measure pull on my 189s BGs are a true 189, compared to other companies where they list them as 189 and they’re actually 184 on the tape measure.

Also good to note that the mounting point is pretty far back, like -6 or something like that, so they do seem longer than other skis because you have so much ski in front of the boot.