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So NS, how are we feeling about real ski resaults?

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Young_patty
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I couldn’t really disagree with the resaults, all edits were wild in their own ways but I (and apparently many others) feel that mango should have at least placed cause that edit was so mellow while so hard at the same time.



Idk NS how do we feel?



Up DatE: looks like we're feeling a lot of things right now NS, lots of opinions in here.


However it is a fact that ABM sauced a dub off a trashcan lid.


just sayin'

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Mar 2 2019 4:09PM
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hi_vis360
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all the edits were so sick I have a hard time being mad about anything. As sick as mangos was, I think the three edits that got the podium deserve it. Peyben's had a ton of lowkey super tech stuff. B-Dog is a legend, no explanation needed. And ABM threw down some super huge shit and had an extremely well rounded part.
Mar 2 2019 4:15PM
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hi_vis360
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I would also like to add that while mango is undeniably sick and one of my favourite skiers right now, he is also pretty much the trendiest skier in the game at the moment, which I think is influencing a lot of people's opinions about his part.
Mar 2 2019 4:19PM
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AndrewGravesSV
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Can't be mad, I thought ABM would be at least silver. Guy did both way sw 4s and it was heavy. I think we've gotten accustomed to how good Bdog is because his part was still bonkers. Brady Perron is amazing behind the lens and on the cut too. Mango could have maybe used more tech and they docked him for it maybe? I'm hoping he gets fan favorite so we get to see him next year too. All in all i think pretty fair
Mar 2 2019 4:24PM
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VISHNU
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I thought ABM's was the most "X Games" video, with the multiple sw 4's and flips out of insane features. Very video game type vibe. Peyben's was sick, though there were some shots that I think deserved a second or even third angle to really understand what was going on. The tip dunk he did in the bucket was my favorite shot this year. B Dog's part was very aesthetically pleasing to a mainstream audience; lots of big zoomed out industrial settings. When you add in that many of those rails were aluminum I think its chill that he got the gold.

Mango's was my personal favorite, and its shows how sick it was that it won people's choice or whatever. Much like Peyben's, I can see why a lot of his tricks would go over people's heads kind of, they are insanely technical but not from a "traditional" standpoint. Many people have tried a switch 4 and realize how hard it is, not many people have bounced their skis off of metal and used that energy to vault themselves up and over a rail, so when they see it they might not grasp the difficulty and skill involved.

Overall, I think its great for street skiing that all the videos were so sick and so different from one another. And the fact that a relative newcomer like mango (not many street parts) can get a spot and hold his own bodes well for the future. Good stuff, can't wait for next year. Dylan Manley please?
Mar 2 2019 4:38PM
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corona
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I'm OK with the results. This is what I figure happened:

Mageau's tricks were all super impressive. Creative with a wow factor, but they were all kind of tame compared to Casabon's tricks. It's like comparing a street part from Real Skifi to one by Stept. Yes, the tricks can blow your mind, but they just don't have that crazy burliness that I bet the judges were after.

Put it this way: Tricks excluded, Casabon would hit every feature Mageau hit no problem. Would Mageau hit every feature Casabon hit? I'm not so sure about that.
Mar 2 2019 4:42PM
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hi_vis360
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VinnieFI'm OK with the results. This is what I figure happened:

Mageau's tricks were all super impressive. Creative with a wow factor, but they were all kind of tame compared to Casabon's tricks. It's like comparing a street part from Real Skifi to one by Stept. Yes, the tricks can blow your mind, but they just don't have that crazy burliness that I bet the judges were after.

Put it this way: Tricks excluded, Casabon would hit every feature Mageau hit no problem. Would Mageau hit every feature Casabon hit? I'm not so sure about that.


idk man mangos ender in stain is pretty fuckin huge
Mar 2 2019 4:48PM
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Park_Ranger
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They got it right. Phil’s part was so damn ill; he was consistently hitting the biggest spot with 100% steeze. His opening shot, for me, was low key one of the illest shots of the whole competition. that spot is so fucking gnarly... just like the entire edit. Everything was big and high risk. I could watch him lip 2 into those jank ass rails all day.

Mageau should ride for Line, he would fit in well with the LTC vibe. Aside from his creativy, his spot selections were weak compared to most everybody else. I am not surprised they gave the medal to Peyban over him... if they are going to go with one new wave type rider, I thought Peyban’s skiing was tighter/more controlled and he consistently hit bigger spots. Mageau needs to tighten up his style and take his shit to bigger spots, and then he would probably be on Magnus level.

I posted like a week ago my order and I still think it should be the case - 1.) Phil 2.)ABM 3.) Kimbo 4.) Peyban

Kimbo still crazy slept on, his part was some heavy skiing. Thought he shoulda gotten in over Peyban but that’s probably because I dig his style of skiing more... but still thought he was hitting bigger spots.
Mar 2 2019 5:12PM
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PsychicMigration
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Phil is an amazing skier but in now way was it the best ABM’s was a 100 times better.
Mar 2 2019 5:20PM
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STEEZUS_CHRI5T
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PISSED.
Mar 2 2019 5:28PM
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MeenaSmalls
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pinkcamo1000I would also like to add that while mango is undeniably sick and one of my favourite skiers right now, he is also pretty much the trendiest skier in the game at the moment, which I think is influencing a lot of people's opinions about his part.


thank you for saying this
Mar 2 2019 5:29PM
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Park_Ranger
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The first time I watched Mageau’s edit, I hadn’t seen any of the others yet. I saw his opening shot and was amazed and thought competition over. And i’ve seen a lot of people talking about that shot, so I want to address it -

After watching it more and more, I started to notice how small the spot was. Then I saw this post, and was even less impressed by the whole thing (first couple of seconds) - https://www.instagram.com/p/BuJuwcrhsPC/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=nvajtmbd0l77

That spot is tiny and low risk. Creative and dope take on the spot, the trick was nice. But that pole is like 4 feet off the ground, with some grass on the side of it... nevermind the rail is like 4 feet off the ground and is super short. It’s a spot that like every pro skier out there wouldn’t have a problem stepping to, its tiny.

Compare that spot to Phil’s opening shot - he drops into a very steep and probably a super rusted/sketchy rail, is idk 60 ft? Off the ground when he first gets on the rail, slides it and then comes off into a massive wall tranny that is probably 20 ft off the ground, hops off the rail at the perfect time and redirects the angle of his body so that he can get parrel with the tyranny (overlooked how gnarly this is), and then drags his noses down the tranny before stomping switch at a high speed/quick drop to basically flat. Of course he did it extremely smooth and made it look easy, but think about if he fucks up at any point of it. If he slides off the rail early he is falling like 50-60 feet to the ground, if he doesn’t change the angle of his body perfectly and at the right time he either gets shot into the wall or gets shot out and misses his tranny/landing, both causing him to fall like 20 feet to the ground. But nah he laced that shit perfect, so clean you don’t even really notice how gnarly/high risk the spot is. It was a spot that Stept would have hit, and nothing in Mageau’s video can really compare to that level of risk.
With Mageau’s spot, if he messes up he falls a few feet into grass or onto a concrete step... that’s not big enough for X-Games in my opinion. I like old Level 1 movies and a Stept and am not a big new wave fan, so maybe that’s why - But when comparing those two shots, anyone that doesn’t recognize how insane Phil’s spot was, or that thinks Mageau’s entire shot was in anyway better skiing than Phil’s is straight buggin.

Mageau’s trick was cool, but I know he has done shit like that so many times, so I doubt hopping 2 feet into the air at a slow speed and balancing on a little piece of medal while his natural momentum brings him around, then he lift up hit foot and falls into the small rail... I doubt it’s thats hard for him to get on such a low risk feature. It’s basically a small 360 surface swap stall thing into a straight slide on a small rail... it isn’t as ill as a lot of other shots in this competition.

^ In my opinion, that is basically an overall summary of why Mageau’s edit lost out when compared to some of the other ones.

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**This post was edited on Mar 2nd 2019 at 6:10:11pm
Mar 2 2019 5:36PM
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TOAST.
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pinkcamo1000I would also like to add that while mango is undeniably sick and one of my favourite skiers right now, he is also pretty much the trendiest skier in the game at the moment, which I think is influencing a lot of people's opinions about his part.


I hate most "new wave" skiing but done right it is sick. The more i watch mangos the more i like it. I can understand the judges decision since he didnt have to many huge burly features but i think i can see myself rewatching his more often than the rest.
Mar 2 2019 5:43PM
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VISHNU
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That spot is tiny and low risk. Creative and dope take on the spot, the trick was nice. But that pole is like 4 feet off the ground, with some grass on the side of it... nevermind the rail is like 4 feet off the ground and is super short. It’s a spot that like every pro skier out there wouldn’t have a problem stepping to

**This post was edited on Mar 2nd 2019 at 5:44:02pm[/QUOTE]

This is exactly what I’m talking about. I’m not taking away from phil’s part it was great, but to dismiss something like that natas spin because it’s not 50 feet off the ground totally skips over how hard that trick is to do and the creativity to execute it and put it in your video. It’s really an apples to oranges comparison.
Mar 2 2019 5:54PM
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Twinjibber77
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VISHNUDylan Manley please?


That dude is so metal and his dong is so big.
Mar 2 2019 5:57PM
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hi_vis360
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TOAST.I hate most "new wave" skiing but done right it is sick. The more i watch mangos the more i like it. I can understand the judges decision since he didnt have to many huge burly features but i think i can see myself rewatching his more often than the rest.


I totally agree. I'm a big new wave fan and mangos and peybens will probably be the ones I rewatch the most. But I'm a fan of watching low-consequence, artistic skiing like jake does. When you're picking winners and losers for the "xtreme games," you need to give it to the people who did the most gnarly, technical stuff with the most steeze. And from that aspect, the judges got it right.
Mar 2 2019 6:02PM
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Park_Ranger
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VISHNUThat spot is tiny and low risk. Creative and dope take on the spot, the trick was nice. But that pole is like 4 feet off the ground, with some grass on the side of it... nevermind the rail is like 4 feet off the ground and is super short. It’s a spot that like every pro skier out there wouldn’t have a problem stepping to

**This post was edited on Mar 2nd 2019 at 5:44:02pm

It’s really an apples to oranges comparison.


This... but in my opinion it’s the big fast gnarly shit that should get awarded in these kind of competitons, while the more creativy and trendy film parts belong more underground within sport where they can be fully respected and appreciated.

Say Phil slipped out on that rail and landed on his back or head on the ground... dude would get seriously fucked up or even worse. That’s literally risking it all, yet performing absolutely perfect. So yeah he no doubt should win, a long with everyone else that is sending it like that.
Mar 2 2019 6:05PM
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hi_vis360
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VISHNUIt’s really an apples to oranges comparison.


this is true, but for the purposes of having a contest you need to view them all as apples
Mar 2 2019 6:11PM
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VISHNU
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Park_RangerThis... but in my opinion it’s the big fast gnarly shit that should get awarded in these kind of competitons, while the more creativy and trendy film parts belong more underground within sport where they can be fully respected and appreciated.

Say Phil slipped out on that rail and landed on his back or head on the ground... dude would get seriously fucked up or even worse. That’s literally risking it all, yet performing absolutely perfect. So yeah he no doubt should win, a long with everyone else that is sending it like that.


hey we almost agree on something for once. Neat. I think what you said is true except for the fact that Will Wesson won already with a part that was much more creative than it was dangerous, so the precedent of valuing creativity the same as danger has already been set.

Regardless, Phil has cemented himself as the best street skier of all time in my mind.
Mar 2 2019 6:20PM
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Puzzled
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I don't think you even begin to realize how dumb that would be.
Mar 2 2019 7:10PM
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XoakleyX
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so you saying let the big award be decided by an audience who 90% has never steped up to a street spot... doesn’t make much sense. these dudes all put their health at risk filming this. there is a reason why the big prize is given out by knowledgeable people who did so as well. there is a public choice for a reason as well, and that is where our clueless asses get to decide who’s our favorite
Mar 2 2019 7:11PM
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Park_Ranger
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VISHNUhey we almost agree on something for once. Neat. I think what you said is true except for the fact that Will Wesson won already with a part that was much more creative than it was dangerous, so the precedent of valuing creativity the same as danger has already been set.

Regardless, Phil has cemented himself as the best street skier of all time in my mind.


Haha well add two things to the list, because I also think it’s more than fair to say that Phil is the GOAT of urban skiing.

But yeah what you said about Wesson’s part is true. Just like how both Magnus and Peyban got medals and beat out some guys that were arguably going bigger, the judges reward creativy/new wave. So yeah who knows, I guess it’s the same as any other ski comp with judges... at the end of the day, it’s impossible to really have a criteria and set definitions of what’s better than something else, when looking at elite level skiing (X-Games). I agree with what someone else said in here: ultimately having a comp in this format based on urban kind of lame, there are just to many factors that come into play in urban skiing. Mageau’s part was great and I really liked it, I’ve watched it a bunch of times. But going big, at the end of the day, is what separates the good riders from the elite ones... in my opinion.
Mar 2 2019 8:12PM
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420ganjaman
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im sorry but how the fuck did phils edit win gold? he had the weakest edit next to henrik. nothing stands out in that edit
Mar 2 2019 9:24PM
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STEEZUS_CHRI5T
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420ganjamanim sorry but how the fuck did phils edit win gold? he had the weakest edit next to henrik. nothing stands out in that edit


Exactly why everyone is confused.
Mar 2 2019 9:28PM
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Twinjibber77
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PuzzledI don't think you even begin to realize how dumb that would be.


Haha damn... remember XGames BigAir the year it was Text2Win? I think Dumont won with a superman double front flip if I remember correctly? Such a crock.
Mar 2 2019 9:35PM
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fishin4trout
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pinkcamo1000this is true, but for the purposes of having a contest you need to view them all as apples

I want to respectfully disagree with you here. From a judging perspective some riders will have chosen a more creative interpretation of the contest so inherently the judges can’t entirely discount creativity for risk.
Mar 2 2019 10:19PM
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Schoess
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pinkcamo1000I would also like to add that while mango is undeniably sick and one of my favourite skiers right now, he is also pretty much the trendiest skier in the game at the moment, which I think is influencing a lot of people's opinions about his part.


I don't fully agree. The reason I think mango deserved gold is because most of his part was nbd's. He had tech, gnar, creativity, style and a whole lot of flavor. I'm not a mango fanboy but damn it hurts to see him not even on the podium. Tbh I wish it wasn't even a competition because none of the edits deserve anything BUT gold imo.
Mar 2 2019 10:21PM
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bolake
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kinda wished that ABM had done better but i think the results are fair
Mar 2 2019 10:26PM
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hi_vis360
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fishin4troutI want to respectfully disagree with you here. From a judging perspective some riders will have chosen a more creative interpretation of the contest so inherently the judges can’t entirely discount creativity for risk.


I'm not saying creativity should be discounted. I'm saying that since this is a contest, creative segments will get inevitably get pitted against more high risk and gnarly ones. With a ski movie you can have one creative segment and one gnarly segment and say they're both awesome. But since this is a contest with winners and losers, that's not really an option. You can't just say they're incomparable and walk away.

SchoessI don't fully agree. The reason I think mango deserved gold is because most of his part was nbd's. He had tech, gnar, creativity, style and a whole lot of flavor. I'm not a mango fanboy but damn it hurts to see him not even on the podium. Tbh I wish it wasn't even a competition because none of the edits deserve anything BUT gold imo.


tbh I think peyben has probably just as many nbds and has a smoother style
Mar 2 2019 10:45PM
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Schoess
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pinkcamo1000I'm not saying creativity should be discounted. I'm saying that since this is a contest, creative segments will get inevitably get pitted against more high risk and gnarly ones. With a ski movie you can have one creative segment and one gnarly segment and say they're both awesome. But since this is a contest with winners and losers, that's not really an option. You can't just say they're incomparable and walk away.



tbh I think peyben has probably just as many nbds and has a smoother style


Style aside since it's so subjective, both videos are groundbreaking (Peybon and Mango that is), but for me Mango's just had such a wowfactor that I haven't experienced in a very long time
Mar 2 2019 10:53PM
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GrandThings
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I randomly turned on my TV today and saw Kim Boberg skiing on network television. Imma give my fan vote to ABC
Mar 2 2019 10:55PM
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hi_vis360
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SchoessStyle aside since it's so subjective, both videos are groundbreaking (Peybon and Mango that is), but for me Mango's just had such a wowfactor that I haven't experienced in a very long time

for sure. the nollie backflip was the best trick of the contest if you ask me. I think "wowfactor" is just as subjective as style though
Mar 2 2019 10:57PM
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Schoess
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pinkcamo1000for sure. the nollie backflip was the best trick of the contest if you ask me. I think "wowfactor" is just as subjective as style though


Yes it very much can be and I think that's really the rub. I wish it wasn't a contest with a top 3. They're all absolutely insane parts on a level neverbefore seen in skiing and I hate that they're ranked in a way if that makes sense. They should all live on their own as what they are. Which they do but it's almost an insult to say some are "worse" than others with how nuts they all are.
Mar 2 2019 10:59PM
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scratchskier321
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I loved all the edits.

but this year completely tainted real ski.

conspiracy: relationship to b dog: berman/wallisch/LJ/schmuck all very closely tied to level 1: which used to be basically casabon's movie.

ABM risked his life like 3 times on some of those rails. the top 2 didnt risk as much as ABM did. Phil was amazing but not last year amazing. ABM and Mango stood out. Everyone else didn't besides maybe henrik.

if your competing next year.... WHAT DO YOU EVEN DO?????????????? WHAT DO THE JUDGES WANT??????????? NO CLUE

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Mar 3 2019 12:01AM
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Cryptno
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Cryptno
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O and lj had the best real ski of all time no 🧢
Mar 3 2019 12:58AM
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VISHNU
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Cryptno


Top tier memeing
Mar 3 2019 1:38AM
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oldworld_newlife
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People are complaining about judges but I thought it was a vote?
Mar 3 2019 2:12AM
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Chubz.
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Calling a skier’s tricks “trendy” is lame
Calling anything “trendy” is lame
Turning the furthest thing from competition into a competition is lame
People who compare types of skiing are lame
Real ski is lame
This whole thing has gotten super lame

Bring on the downvotes
Mar 3 2019 2:16AM
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tsingtaofanatic
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WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE

You're memecork!
Mar 3 2019 2:32AM
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PATROL
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midwesternmaniacPeople are complaining about judges but I thought it was a vote?


Judges decide the medals, voting is for the People's Choice award
Mar 3 2019 2:32AM
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hi_vis360
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Chubz.Calling a skier’s tricks “trendy” is lame
Calling anything “trendy” is lame
Turning the furthest thing from competition into a competition is lame
People who compare types of skiing are lame
Real ski is lame
This whole thing has gotten super lame

Bring on the downvotes


the fuck are you talking about?
Are you denying the existence of trends in skiing?
Mar 3 2019 7:38AM
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skierman
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LOL I love it when results reflect the fact that New Wave is just a shitty trend. "omg did you see him pop onto a 1ft. rail and then used his hand to balance before hopping off!? so unique and progressive!"



Maybe if they weren't pussies sticking to small, low consequence features, they wouldn't be seen as a joke.
Mar 3 2019 9:47AM
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alex.lev82
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I think phill is sick but his part was super similer to harlaut's and harlaut didnt even make the podium. I get that some of the trick were crazyer but harlaut had some super tenical stuff too but cant realy be mad
Mar 3 2019 9:54AM
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XoakleyX
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alex.lev82I think phill is sick but his part was super similer to harlaut's and harlaut didnt even make the podium. I get that some of the trick were crazyer but harlaut had some super tenical stuff too but cant realy be mad


please point out the similarities of those two parts
Mar 3 2019 10:05AM
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alex.lev82
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XoakleyXplease point out the similarities of those two parts


They where both super tenical and a little less creative than mango or abm. But they revolved more around what would score higher in a comp
Mar 3 2019 10:12AM
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skierman
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alex.lev82They where both super tenical and a little less creative than mango or abm. But they revolved more around what would score higher in a comp


LOL you're such a fucking child. I'm happy you got called out on your BS post.
Mar 3 2019 10:32AM
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270on420out
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skiermanLOL I love it when results reflect the fact that New Wave is just a shitty trend. "omg did you see him pop onto a 1ft. rail and then used his hand to balance before hopping off!? so unique and progressive!"



Maybe if they weren't pussies sticking to small, low consequence features, they wouldn't be seen as a joke.


Peyben won 2nd though
Mar 3 2019 11:12AM
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Park_Ranger
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alex.lev82They where both super tenical and a little less creative than mango or abm. But they revolved more around what would score higher in a comp


Leave NS forever
Mar 3 2019 11:13AM
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Chubz.
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pinkcamo1000the fuck are you talking about?
Are you denying the existence of trends in skiing?


No, im Just saying that I think describing a trick as “trendy” is lame.
Mar 3 2019 1:23PM
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Park_Ranger
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Chubz.No, im Just saying that I think describing a trick as “trendy” is lame.


I mean it’s totally a thing though. People had been doing back swaps to switch for like a decade before New Wave style got hyped up. Now all of a sudden that trick is super fly and for multiple seasons it was featured in basically every edit made. Just like how the K-Fed used to be a trick that was in every single edit, but now you hardly ever see them because that trend ended and they aren’t seen in the same light that they once were. Tricks can totally be trendy.
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