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if youre serious about touring, get the cast system.
if youre rocking the kartel 116 and will be occasionally touring. go sth2 16 or fks 180 with daymakers. I have experience with the daymakers and have a couple friends with the cast system.
I also have a friend with guardians. They work. but are heavy and bulky. Ive also used barons and have switched to daymakers + sth 2 and like it a lot better. But again im not doing multiple day tours
supersquidNo why? do you have a mega boner for the cast system?
"if your serious about touring get this super heavy setup up that is only available with a full metal 16+ din binding, thats the only way"
OP why is your first thought to use the guardian? Do you really need all that or are you just trying to get into touring and came upon a frame binding for cheap? Are you limited by your boots (as in they dont have tech inserts)?
cydwhitI mean, if you told me I was going to have to tour on a K116, I'd recommend CAST as well.
It's lighter than a frame binding, it walks way better, and you lose none of your downhill capacity inbounds, which, with the K116 is a big deal. CAST is for sure your best bet if you know you're going to ski inbounds a bunch, but might want to walk sometimes.
supersquidbut if op is truly serious about touring then he wouldnt be on an alpine binding. Theres a difference between being a serious tour only skier and someone who just wants to hit some big shit in the backcountry. Im picturing the first, you guys seem like your picturing more of the latter.
supersquidFair, but if op is truly serious about touring then he wouldnt be on an alpine binding. Theres a difference between being a serious tour only skier and someone who just wants to hit some big shit in the backcountry. Im picturing the first, you guys seem like your picturing more of the latter.
I know plenty of "serious touring skiers" who ski Shift or Cast. And for ANY touring skier, Shift or Cast is going to walk, and ski better than a frame binding.
That said, I don't think it matters what sort of touring skier OP wants to be. Frames are fine if you got them for super freaking cheap, and you want to dip a toe in the uphill water, while still skiing inbounds a bunch.
If you want to be a "tour only skier" K116 is probably not the best ski to be on. But if you want to earn your jibs and hucks, it's a rad ski to be on. Either way, frames if you got them for under $200, otherwise save up for Cast or Shift.
The more "tour-only" bindings like the Vipec, Techton, ION, Radical, etc are all well and good, but aren't analogous to someone asking about frame bindings in my opinion.
That make sense? Sorry, not feeling super coherent today.
shin-bangIm a bit confused with your comment.
if op was a serious tour only skier he wouldnt be asking this question.
there are a lot better AND cheaper systems out there than quiver killers/inserts .