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Jskis allplay vs 4frnt vandal

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GainFoxes
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Hey, I’m looking at buying either a pair of allplay or vandal skis and was wondering what anyone who owns either of these thinks about them. If you’ve tried both out then I’d love to know what you like about one over the other. Cheers
Sep 6 2018 3:23PM
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J_skis
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Both are solid skis no doubt, comes down to difference flex pattern and shape. The Vandal is a little wider all around meaning it will float some more in softer snow. The Vandal's flex pattern has butter zones, meaning underfoot the ski is stiff, and it has hinge points in the tip and tail where the ski flexes the most. The Allplay is narrower, especially in the longer lengths as the Vandal's dimensions change depending on size. The Allplay's flex pattern is consistent, meaning tip to tail it is the same. This makes the Allplay softer overall than the Vandal especially underfoot. The pop on the skis is very comparable because despite it being softer, the Allplay's construction has carbon fiber giving it great reactivity. So it really comes down to if you prefer a ski that is stiffer for carving and landing big airs, or something a little more buttery.
Sep 12 2018 2:57PM
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cjayc423
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J_skisBoth are solid skis no doubt, comes down to difference flex pattern and shape. The Vandal is a little wider all around meaning it will float some more in softer snow. The Vandal's flex pattern has butter zones, meaning underfoot the ski is stiff, and it has hinge points in the tip and tail where the ski flexes the most. The Allplay is narrower, especially in the longer lengths as the Vandal's dimensions change depending on size. The Allplay's flex pattern is consistent, meaning tip to tail it is the same. This makes the Allplay softer overall than the Vandal especially underfoot. The pop on the skis is very comparable because despite it being softer, the Allplay's construction has carbon fiber giving it great reactivity. So it really comes down to if you prefer a ski that is stiffer for carving and landing big airs, or something a little more buttery.


Would you compare the Vandal's butter zones to those on the Line Blend? Really interested in getting them, but the Blends are too soft in the tip and tail for my liking.
Nov 12 2018 5:51PM
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CalumSKI
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If you think that blends are too soft then i think you should totally disregard the vandals this year mate
Ive heard that they are really unstable and get wobbly at speeds so if ur tryna ski more all mountain probs get tha all plays
Nov 12 2018 7:10PM
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CalumSKIIf you think that blends are too soft then i think you should totally disregard the vandals this year mate
Ive heard that they are really unstable and get wobbly at speeds so if ur tryna ski more all mountain probs get tha all plays


Not sure about that. I have the 2016-17 ones. Ski decently at speed and aren't too squirrely in the slightest.
Nov 12 2018 10:31PM
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CalumSKI
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I read a review on ns that said the were wobbly but I've never skied them so probs just listen to this guy
Nov 13 2018 8:33AM
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cjayc423
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Appreciate the responses. I'm not a park guy, but like to cruise in the trees and off piste. The Vandals seem like an awesome everyday ski to give me the freedom to explore and keep me afloat should there be some snow the night before.
Nov 13 2018 4:17PM
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They certainly aren't a hard charger, but the go alright especially in the longer lengths. I'm 6'1, 200lbs and got 186.
Nov 13 2018 7:18PM
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FLYBOYMATTHEW
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Props to J for offering a neutral perspective instead of just pushing his own goods. Respect!
Nov 13 2018 8:24PM
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FLYBOYMATTHEWProps to J for offering a neutral perspective instead of just pushing his own goods. Respect!


He owns both companies.
Nov 13 2018 9:27PM
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FLYBOYMATTHEW
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Good point, I forgot about the 4frnt deal. In that case, buy both and compare.
Nov 14 2018 12:47AM
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cjayc423
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Do you think J is saying the Vandal is stiffer for carving and big airs or more buttery? Just confused with the comments about hinge points and carbon for reactivity
Nov 14 2018 1:27AM
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J_skis
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FLYBOYMATTHEWGood point, I forgot about the 4frnt deal. In that case, buy both and compare.


We do offer a 100% Money Back Guarantee on both brands... so you could in theory buy both skis, ski them on your own mountain, with your own bindings, on your own time, and then send back whichever you don't want for a full refund.

(p.s. The Allplay will win)
Nov 14 2018 10:12AM
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J_skis
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cjayc423Do you think J is saying the Vandal is stiffer for carving and big airs or more buttery? Just confused with the comments about hinge points and carbon for reactivity


Vandal is stiffer and more hooky (tighter radius). Allplay is more buttery and surfy (more rocker).

If looking for a little more stability at speed but lacking buttery / powder float = Vandal
If looking for a little more buttery and surfy but a little more chattery at speed = Allplay
Nov 14 2018 10:14AM
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sdotterer014
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How's the Vandal stiffness compare to the ARV 96?
Nov 14 2018 6:51PM
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cjayc423
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J_skisVandal is stiffer and more hooky (tighter radius). Allplay is more buttery and surfy (more rocker).

If looking for a little more stability at speed but lacking buttery / powder float = Vandal
If looking for a little more buttery and surfy but a little more chattery at speed = Allplay


Very appreciative for your insight, J! This will definitely help me make a decision. Thank you so much!
Nov 14 2018 11:23PM
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