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1 ski quiver for France/Tignes

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lpgsurf
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I'm going to Tignes/Val d'isere every years and looking for a 1 ski quiver to replace my Liberty Helix 182cm. I ski 50% of the time on slopes. Condition are a mix of b&j and powder (quite heavy). Speed is not my thing, I prefer doing tons of small turns on the side of the slopes (when off-piste is not possible). I love the Liberty Helix, that ski can do it all but it getting quite old now. Looking for something similar but maybe with a shorter turn radius. I still want to stay in the 102mm-106mm range

I am thinking about those options

-Armada ARV 106 180cm or 188cm
-Liberty Origin 106 182cm
-Rossignol soul 7 180 or 188cm

The rossignol seem to be not as good as the other 2 on the slope. The liberty origin might be very similar to the Helix, I would like to have something different even if I like it:) !

I am open to other suggestions! I am 5.10 and 175lbs.

Thanks

**This thread was edited on Aug 17th 2018 at 3:21:45am
Aug 16 2018 2:18AM
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Finito
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How about the faction ct 3.0
Aug 16 2018 8:16AM
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powpatrol
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Hey dude,I ski around Europe and have skied Val/Tignes plenty.
First off,go into any of the shops and tell the guys what you want,much easier to choose in person.
However in my experience with Val/Tignes I had a blast on my daily drivers;Black Crows Camox.
The camox is an all round ski for pretty much everything. Last Time i was at Val I had a blast with them through the mix of icy groomers to a few much needed powder days.
Aug 16 2018 2:11PM
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lpgsurf
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The Camox is a little too narrow. I already have a Fischer Ranger 90. The faction ct 3.0 seems like good option!
Aug 17 2018 3:29AM
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N41v131355
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Moment PB/J or new PB/JIB if you can get Moment skis there - a very cool option for 1 quiver
K2 Marksman wiil be a good option, if you are looking for a freestyle 1 quiver
Black Crows Atris - it's a bit on a chargy side, more directional
Aug 17 2018 9:46AM
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.nasty
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If the ARV 106 is on your radar, consider looking at the Limited 106Ti model (you'll find them on Evo, not on sale but worth every penny). I swore by the regular 106 the last year or so until I got on the Ti version, now I would never go back. Keep in mind, I'm more of a big mtn skier and hardly a park skier these days. The extra 2 layers of Titanol add some serious backbone to the ski but it still retains it's playful quality known to the ARV line from Armada

Whatever you do, do not get the soul 7, you'll hate your life.
Aug 18 2018 6:50PM
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SlowMo
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I would go with the CT 3.0 or the black crows atis or when you're looking for a big mountain ski, because you have a Fischer ranger 90, maybe the anima will do a good job.

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Aug 19 2018 7:06AM
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powpatrol
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MoritzFI would go with the CT 3.0 or the black crows atis or when you're looking for a big mountain ski, because you have a Fischer ranger 90, maybe the atris will do a good job.

Also check out the Corvus from Black Crows,1mm wider than the atris but completely different riding feel
Aug 19 2018 8:47AM
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lpgsurf
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Ross soul 7 is out of the list... So far I am down to those

faction 3.0
armada arv 106 180cm
liberty origin 106 182cm
black crows Atris 184cm

I don't do park. I am more a "conventional" rider... They all seems to be a good option with good reviews! Thanks for all your inputs!!
Aug 20 2018 4:16AM
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N41v131355
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lpgsurfRoss soul 7 is out of the list... So far I am down to those

faction 3.0
armada arv 106 180cm
liberty origin 106 182cm
black crows Atris 184cm

I don't do park. I am more a "conventional" rider... They all seems to be a good option with good reviews! Thanks for all your inputs!!


I'd remove armadas for sure then and probably liberty. They are too soft and more of a freestyle ski, while faction and black crows are more traditional
Aug 20 2018 4:38AM
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lpgsurf
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Yeah you are right about the Armada. The Liberty Helix is really good, on the slopes I dont see that much difference with the fischer ranger 90! The new origin should be very similar with a shorten turn radius, 24m vs 20m.

Not easy to pick a ski without trying. Unfortunately I don't ski that much anymore and when I go I don't have any time to spend trying stuff. Price will also be a big factor. I don't want to spend too much. If I can find a good deal on a previous season or good used...
Aug 21 2018 2:54PM
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lpgsurf
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What about the Line Sir Francis bacon and the Faction 2.0 ? They both seem to be a great option as well?

Thanks

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Sep 27 2018 11:18AM
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Cole9
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lpgsurfWhat about the Line Sir Francis bacon and the Faction 2.0 ? They both seem to be a great option as well?

Thanks

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If you’re more of a conventional skier as you stated do not get either of these...
Sep 27 2018 5:15PM
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lpgsurf
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Ok. I am aiming to the Liberty origin 106. Do you have the same thought about that one?
Sep 27 2018 7:26PM
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.nasty
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lpgsurfOk. I am aiming to the Liberty origin 106. Do you have the same thought about that one?


Liberties ski like absolute garbage. Just sayin.
Sep 27 2018 7:38PM
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lpgsurf
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What would be your pick? I have the Liberty Helix and that ski is not garbage at all! :) I had the Armada ARV 106 on my list but I doubt about his on piste performance. The arv106ti ltd is out of the equation, too much $$ :(

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Sep 27 2018 8:01PM
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Non_State_Actor
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lpgsurfWhat would be your pick? I have the Liberty Helix and that ski is not garbage at all! :) I had the Armada ARV 106 on my list but I doubt about his on piste performance. The arv106ti ltd is out of the equation, too much $$ :(

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What caused you to remove the Black Crows Atris from consideration? It's a fairly conventional ski (not reverse camber) fairly light, flickable, playful, does well on piste, hardpack.

Is the turning radius too high at 20m? I skied them sized up (skied 184, I'm 170cm tall) and found them to be very maneuverable.
Sep 28 2018 12:23AM
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lpgsurf
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The price. They are quite expensive. I don't want to pay more than $600 including the binding and can't find them for something close to that :(

Also when I said that I am more like a traditional skier I mean that I don't go in the park or ride switch or doing jump 50 feet in the air:) Probably like 98% of the people:) I am just trying to understand the "freestyle" term of a ski and how I should not go for that kind of ski:) I am not talking of a full freestyle ski but a ski like the liberty origin or armada ARV106 or francis bacon

With my kids now I need to stick on the groomers more so I am trying to find the perfect match:)

Thanks for your help:)

**This post was edited on Sep 28th 2018 at 6:19:59pm
Sep 28 2018 8:56AM
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Twig
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To me it sounds like you are looking for a fun directional ski, while listing mostly more freestyle oriented options. The ARV 106, Sir Francis Bacon, Candide 3.0 etc are all great skis, but while they are versatile all mountain skis... for jib skis... there are better options for skiers who don't prioritize that. The recommended mounting point on the Helix was something like -7/8cm and at least the later models had plenty of tip rocker with a cambered tail. Yeah they were 'twin tips' but they were basically directional skis with a second tip (like the Origins are now, though that second tip is largely gone). Skis like the ARV, SFB, Candide 3.0 etc are not fundamentally that type of ski. They might be wider but they are 'freestyle skis' at heart, they are designed to be skied in a different way. For me at least, they all ski best mounted almost at center (-2cm-ish) and are in a totally different ski bracket to skis like the old Helix/Origin/Soul 7 etc.

To me you are really looking at the second bracket, which from Line would be the Sick Days, from Salomon the QSTs. I'm actually not an expert on these because I mostly spend my time testing the ARV/Bacon etc category but there's a lot of good skis in the bracket. I've had a few runs on a bunch of the following but wouldn't want to give guidance to choose between them based on that. However, I would say look more at:

Line Sick Day 104
Salomon QST 106
Elan Ripstick 106 (seriously, Elan are not very popular as a bran but I found them pretty fun).

to compare with the Origin 106. The Candide 3.0 can be skied more comfortably mounted back/more directionally than the other jib skis so I might throw that in there too but probably would err more towards one of the others instinctively. And maybe even an Armada Tracer 108 too.
Sep 29 2018 7:01AM
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lpgsurf
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Wow thanks!! Now it make much more sense to me. I understand why I like the Helix so much and why some freestyle guys don't like it!!!

I am trying to keep it simple and narrow down my choice to those 3 options

-Liberty Origin 106 182cm . Should be pretty close to the Helix with a shorter turn radius (little boring to buy the same thing!?:)
-Line Sick day 104 179cm . For that one I am not sure about the 179cm. Seem a little short to me!? The 186 is quite long, My Helix 182cm is right on the spot, i don't need longer... So the length is scaring me on that one . I am around 5.10 175lbs
-Line Sakana 174cm . On paper it seems to be the perfect ski with a big wowwwwwwww.
Sep 29 2018 8:06PM
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Cole9
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lpgsurfWow thanks!! Now it make much more sense to me. I understand why I like the Helix so much and why some freestyle guys don't like it!!!

I am trying to keep it simple and narrow down my choice to those 3 options

-Liberty Origin 106 182cm . Should be pretty close to the Helix with a shorter turn radius (little boring to buy the same thing!?:)
-Line Sick day 104 179cm . For that one I am not sure about the 179cm. Seem a little short to me!? The 186 is quite long, My Helix 182cm is right on the spot, i don't need longer... So the length is scaring me on that one . I am around 5.10 175lbs
-Line Sakana 174cm . On paper it seems to be the perfect ski with a big wowwwwwwww.

Sakana s are light but since speed isn’t a priority that could be a sick ski
Oct 3 2018 9:23PM
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lpgsurf
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For a 5'10 and 175 lbs

Line Sick days 104 179 or 186Cm?
Line Sakana 174cm Or 181cm
Line F. Bacon 184

Can't pick the size for the sick day and Sakana. I will buy one of those. Can't decide which one yet... :)
Dec 13 2018 8:10PM
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Rum_Ham
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Sick days are super forgiving and fun the 186 would be fine for you but the 179 could work if you aren’t trying to go super fast. I’m 5’9” 185 and my 179 sick days felt super short after skiing some 185s. You’d be fine on either one. I’d go 181 for the sakanas personally. Right around the same length as your old liberties.
Dec 13 2018 10:49PM
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lpgsurf
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The problem is I am right between 2 lengths all the time :) I do go fast and I don't ski "giant slalom style" so I should be ok with the 179cm I guess. I just want a ski that pop alot and pivot very fast for tiny turns, trees skiing style. How do you compare the Bacon with the sick day? Sounds like I will get a better pivot with the Bacon with his more central mounting!? For the Sakana half of the people suggested 174 and the other half suggested the 181cm :) Both size would work I guess. For the Bacon the 178cm will be definitively too short. If someone has one of those for sale used.. I also posted on the sale/trade for that!! :)
Dec 14 2018 10:19AM
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JulianSharpe
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Could get yourself some throwdown 105s - light, pivoty, loads of pop, fun rocker on them, short ish radius. Mounts at -2 rec, but you could push it back a few if you wanted a more directional feel. Small euro ski company you could support and their prices are really really reasonable.
Dec 14 2018 11:22AM
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lpgsurf
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Nice skis but unfortunately I can't find them in the US !
Dec 14 2018 12:04PM
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lpgsurf
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How is the Elan Spectrum Alu 105? Good deal on that one!
Dec 14 2018 12:37PM
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Rum_Ham
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lpgsurfThe problem is I am right between 2 lengths all the time :) I do go fast and I don't ski "giant slalom style" so I should be ok with the 179cm I guess. I just want a ski that pop alot and pivot very fast for tiny turns, trees skiing style. How do you compare the Bacon with the sick day? Sounds like I will get a better pivot with the Bacon with his more central mounting!? For the Sakana half of the people suggested 174 and the other half suggested the 181cm :) Both size would work I guess. For the Bacon the 178cm will be definitively too short. If someone has one of those for sale used.. I also posted on the sale/trade for that!! :)


179 sick days will be perfect then. I felt they weren’t stable enough at high speeds making big turns but they were super fun for making quick turns and whipping around in trees and super poppy. Haven’t skied the bacons but the 179 sick day will feel like a bit more ski than the 178 bacon due to the directional mount.
Dec 14 2018 1:54PM
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soupcan
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The Sakana is a blast I think it seems right up your alley from what you have described. I demo’d them today just for the hell of it and god dam I was impressed. They are one of if not the best carving ski I have ever been on atleast on medium soft groomers. They also float pretty dam good due to the shape we had 6” or so of fresh which isn’t a huge amount but I was very happy with how they performed. It’s both traditional and no traditional at the same time, they are a totally different experience and I would buy a set if I could afford them.

the only downfall that I personally found is that they definitely had a speed limit which was especially evident through cruddy groomers. But since you said you aren’t a speed demon that shouldn’t be a big issue.

As far as sizing goes I personally would recommend the 181. I’m about 3 inches shorter and give or take 30 pounds lighter and was on the 174 cause everyone says downsize. They just lacked a bit of stability which you may find is not an issue if you went with the 181cm
Dec 16 2018 8:07PM
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lpgsurf
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I decided to go with the Sakana. Sounds like the best option for me. I was hesitating alot about the length, I got alot of mixed reviews about the size. I Decided to follow the manufacturer recommendation and go for the 174cm. So I opted for maneuverability instead of stability. Will write a report in 3 weeks about those skis! Thanks for your help!
Dec 18 2018 9:32AM
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lpgsurf
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Skied 10 days with the Sakana 174cm. We didn't get any fresh snow the first 9 days so I used them mostly on groomers. Ski is really fantastic, you can easily do all sort of turns with it. It carve very well and pop like crazy in short turns. I found the ski very stable even at high speed. I didn't find the ski too short but I was wishing for a little more length on very steep hills. The ski is so quick to turn I don't see any disadvantage to go with the longer size, especially at my size. We had 10cm the last day and the ski performed perfectly on those conditions, even at 174cm I didn't fell that the ski was too short. The 174cm fell probably more like a 179-180cm standard ski. Overall it is a fantastic ski, I didn't try the 181cm but at my size I will probably switch for that size even is the 174cm perform very well :)!!
Jan 15 2019 12:07PM
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ThaLorax
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Head Kore 105. The ski both rips and is super playful at the same time. I actually don't understand it. It's a stiff ski that's super light with a really short turning radius, so you can point it or make short, tight turns.
Jan 16 2019 12:48AM
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