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Advice on a second ski for my quiver
Hello, I am going to be skiing in Colorado. I am 18, 145~150 lbs, and 5’9. I am an agressive skier and want a all around Powder ski. I already own a pair of 171 2016 Filthy Riches and want a pair of skis for powder days that still have some freestyle capability. My filthy riches are already pretty tall considering my height so I’m cautious about going much more than 171. I am looking at the kartel 108s and kartel 116s (but the shortest option for those are 176). Thank you for the advice in advance.
171cm is not a tall ski for you by any means.
Kartel 116 in a 181 or 186.
Black Crows Anima or Nocta in a 182, 185, or 188 depending on the ski?
**This post was edited on Jul 27th 2018 at 2:49:48pm
I’m not really aware of all sizing knowledge but isnt 181 about 6’ and im only 5’9? Maybe that is what you want for powder and i just don’t know. Thank you for the reply.
6' is 183cm, you are 175.26cm tall. Sizing is totally subjective though. Powder skis should generally be longer than your everyday size.
Have you thought about demoing some different skis when the season rolls around? Where do you live in CO?
I live in washington DC but im moving out for a gap year in probably Breckenridge. I just dont know if the skis should be taller than me im like 176 cm so i would think the 176 kartel 116s would be a better fit. I don’t know when demo days are but i would like to demo some skis. I also need reccomendations for bindings if you know any good ones. Thank you for the reply.
I'd say either go to CO with your filthy riches, they'll probably be fine for the early season, ask around or search for shops with the best demo skis and go try a bunch of stuff or if your really like your filthy riches/ON3P and want to support them email or call with your questions about sizing and get their opinion. Otherwise just sit tight and I'm sure you'll get a ton of input in this thread.
For bindings, can't go wrong with attack 13s at your size.
Ski length depends on a lot of things which in turn depend on the skier and where / how you ski.
If you really like the 171 Filthy Rich and don't feel like you need more stability, then a pow ski in the 172-180 range would probably be good. In powder a bit of extra length (along with the extra width of a wider ski) helps with floatation.
The tradeoff with longer skis is that they can be more difficult to turn and maneuver. But strong skiers often prefer the longer length cause you usually get a bump up in high-speed stability. While it's a good call to go with a ski that's shorter than you are when you first start skiing (cause it's easier to handle), many skiers end up skiing skis that are taller than they are as they progress since longer skis often feel more stable at speed (e.g., I'm 5'8" 150 lbs and prefer skis in the 184-190 cm range). Though this isn't as important if you stick to more moderate speeds, the park, and / or tighter terrain — then shorter lengths make more sense since you won't really be taking advantage of longer skis' higher top ends.
Another thing to take into account is rocker — rocker decreases the effective edge of a ski and makes it feel shorter than it actually is. Most modern pow skis feature more rocker than the average park ski, so rockered skis can sometimes feel a bit shorter than their length suggests. Skis with tapered tips and tails can also decrease the swingweight and effective edge, again making them feel shorter than a ski with a less tapered shape.
If you love your 171 Filthy Riches, then I'd recommend the 176 Kartel 116 for a dedicated pow ski, or the 176 Kartel 108 for a ski that you can use on both deep days and days when there's just a bit of soft snow. Both are great skis in their own right, and if you got along well with the Filthy Rich, I bet you'd like the Kartels.
Other skis that might be worth checking out:
175 or 185 cm Armada ARV 116
174 or 184 cm Moment Wildcat
175 or 181 cm Faction Prodigy 4.0
176 or 182 cm Black Crows Anima
Thank you for the advice im thinking that the 176 kartel 116s might be my choice because its just about as tall as me and it would be my dedicated pow ski. I love my filthy riches so I’ll probably love the kartels.
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