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Strongly considering a pair of these as a spring daily driver/all mountain ski, but i still want to be able to take them in the park and ski switch. I haven't been able to find any reviews of this ski that even mention freestyle use... but they sound pretty rad to me as a light all-mountain / wide park ski. Has anyone used these or have an opinion on taking them in the park? I'm curious if the amount of swallowtail on them would make switch skiing noticeably more difficult
powpatrolBy swallow tail do you mean the rocker profile? Or am i just blind :/
I just mean how much narrower the tail is than the tip (it's a difference of 12mm). Most freestyle oriented skis that are meant to be ridden switch have a smaller tip/tail width differential, often more like 4mm. I know that directional shape will affect switch skiing a little bit, just not sure how much.
Also not sure if swallowtail is the right term for this... i think some ppl say "pintail" but most would just call this shape directional or asymmetrical
**This post was edited on Apr 26th 2018 at 3:09:57pm
Oh right i get you now,was thinking pescado kinda vibes.
People definitely have loads of different names for it,haven’t heard of pintail being said in skiing but coming from a surf background i like it!
powpatrolOh right i get you now,was thinking pescado kinda vibes.
People definitely have loads of different names for it,haven’t heard of pintail being said in skiing but coming from a surf background i like it!
For sure, tons of names out there. Could be way wrong but my understanding is:
- Fishtail = scooped out (like a Pescado)
- Swallowtail = tail is about 10mm+ narrower than tip (like most directional all mountain skis)
- Pintail = more extreme version of above and visibly noticeable (seen on directional pow skis like Super 7, real skinny tail)
Swallow tail is the same as what you mean by fish tail. Google image swallow tail and you'll see it's the ones with the big notch cut in the tail like a swallow birds tail.
It's definitely a fun ski, but wouldn't be my top pic if you're gonna be spending more than roughly 30% of your time in the park. They have a pretty directional shape and flex.
Not sure how much you'd notice the difference between tip and tail width, but it is worth noting that the 18/19 Origin 96 will have a slightly more conservative rocker profile, so it has even less of a rockered tail. Neither the current version or 18/19 version are true twins, though their tails are raised a few cm's (around 3-4 cm). The 18/19 version has similar tail splay / height, but its rocker lines are not as deep as the 17/18.
I've spent a good deal of time on the Origin 112 and 106, and with the bindings pushed a few cm's forward of the recommended line they're definitely playful, but they still feel pretty directional and not very freestyle-oriented. Really fun skis in my mind since I don't spin a lot or ski switch a ton, but worth noting.
patagonialukeIt's definitely a fun ski, but wouldn't be my top pic if you're gonna be spending more than roughly 30% of your time in the park. They have a pretty directional shape and flex.
Not sure how much you'd notice the difference between tip and tail width, but it is worth noting that the 18/19 Origin 96 will have a slightly more conservative rocker profile, so it has even less of a rockered tail. Neither the current version or 18/19 version are true twins, though their tails are raised a few cm's (around 3-4 cm). The 18/19 version has similar tail splay / height, but its rocker lines are not as deep as the 17/18.
I've spent a good deal of time on the Origin 112 and 106, and with the bindings pushed a few cm's forward of the recommended line they're definitely playful, but they still feel pretty directional and not very freestyle-oriented. Really fun skis in my mind since I don't spin a lot or ski switch a ton, but worth noting.
Dang, that's all good to hear. Didn't realize it's not a full twin... I read somewhere online that it is, but that must've been wrong. The photos from the Blister review make it look like it has quite a bit more tail rocker than the diagram shows, but I'm a little hesitant to go for it now. I would only be spending about 25% of my time in the park, but I like trying to spin and stuff all over the mountain and I'm realizing these don't seem ideal for landing/skiing switch.
Thanks so much for the input! Gonna call Liberty tmrw and see what they say - there are some hot deals right now on the Origins so I've gotta make sure
They ski switch fine, don't let that bother you. they're super light with a very low swingweight so I think they would actually be super fun in the park. If anything I thought they could use a stiffer nose for all mountain charging
young_hawaiiThey ski switch fine, don't let that bother you. they're super light with a very low swingweight so I think they would actually be super fun in the park. If anything I thought they could use a stiffer nose for all mountain charging
Sick man that's a relief to hear, I've probably been over-thinking it quite a bit. Where did you have them mounted? I was thinking -2 from center
Think I've got this settled (just in case anyone is interested lol) - talked to their national sales manager on the phone today and he said he rides them switch just fine, and that some of their team riders use them in the park with no issue and ski switch a lot. So friendly! Really tight to be able to get someone on the phone first try, great customer service.
Also was able to go check some out locally... I put em on the ground right next to some Liberty Transfers (traditional camber, full twin), and when de-cambered the Origin has just as much, if not a little more, tail rise than the actual park skis. So there you (I) have it - totally viable for park use and not as fully directional as I was worried about.
