Dafuq is happening here?

Kid has 160k subs, thats why it has 80k views.

Through all the weirdness he still did a pretty nice job

GarrettHanleyThrough all the weirdness he still did a pretty nice job

Except the part where he calls the base “the bottom slippery side”

SharkoExcept the part where he calls the base “the bottom slippery side”

wait what do you call it

Oh ya this asmr look it up

sethoscope60Oh ya this asmr look it up

I think this is the first time in my life I've actually had the "so, this is what the kids are doing these days, huh?" I just dont get it. Dude whispers because its relaxing? Never once have I been like, I just need to kick back and watch some dude tune up his skiblades, THAT sounds relaxing.

28 and I'm becoming my parents, SMH!

search4freshiesI think this is the first time in my life I've actually had the "so, this is what the kids are doing these days, huh?" I just dont get it. Dude whispers because its relaxing? Never once have I been like, I just need to kick back and watch some dude tune up his skiblades, THAT sounds relaxing.

28 and I'm becoming my parents, SMH!

Browse around Youtube a bit, check out the most subscribed accounts and you'll see what the kids are doing these days. Youtubers get 1-10mil views on videos and thousands of Youtubers get these kinda views, its pretty fucked.

Watched until 1:40, and I've never felt less relaxed in my entire life.

eheathBrowse around Youtube a bit, check out the most subscribed accounts and you'll see what the kids are doing these days. Youtubers get 1-10mil views on videos and thousands of Youtubers get these kinda views, its pretty fucked.

Newschoolers (and this genre of skiing) can give people a very skewed perspective on the amount of people searching/watching these types of videos. The simplest videos can quite often be the most viewed as the majority of the skiing community is pretty novice in both ski skill and care for equipment.

Watch out for those blinders. There are a lot of skiers out there who don't know as much as you(the ns community) and want to learn. The more we can do to educate and inspire others the better!

Saga.Newschoolers (and this genre of skiing) can give people a very skewed perspective on the amount of people searching/watching these types of videos. The simplest videos can quite often be the most viewed as the majority of the skiing community is pretty novice in both ski skill and care for equipment.

Watch out for those blinders. There are a lot of skiers out there who don't know as much as you(the ns community) and want to learn. The more we can do to educate and inspire others the better!

Now that was touching

ASMR

cannonballerASMR

...the subjective experience of "low-grade euphoria." I guess the key word here is subjective.

Saga.Newschoolers (and this genre of skiing) can give people a very skewed perspective on the amount of people searching/watching these types of videos. The simplest videos can quite often be the most viewed as the majority of the skiing community is pretty novice in both ski skill and care for equipment.

Watch out for those blinders. There are a lot of skiers out there who don't know as much as you(the ns community) and want to learn. The more we can do to educate and inspire others the better!

That was a nice way of stating saga's departure from core freeskiing

keithnollThat was a nice way of stating saga's departure from core freeskiing

How do you figure? The way we see it by being more inclusive and helping new skiers get into the sport and learn from others experience will only help grow the core of freeskiing. Take the Tell A Friend Tour for example. I'm willing to bet a fair amount of the people who attend these events aren't as deep into the core of freeskiing as you might think.

What we're saying is don't assume every person that wants to "freeski" already knows as much as everyone else who considers themselves a freeskier. Let's grow the core not refine it.

Saga.Let's grow the core not refine it.

What substantiates this viewpoint beyond your own material gain? Lol Saga just sounds like another business bro with it's head in the sand

K-Dot.What substantiates this viewpoint beyond your own material gain? Lol Saga just sounds like another business bro with it's head in the sand

You can definitely interpret our response as just another company wanting to expand the market to increase potential sales. But that is not our priority. We truly love riding with our friends and meeting new people who share the same passion for skiing and snowboarding that we do. If you knew the people behind the brand personally you would easily understand that it's always been about creating something that will allow current and new people to experience all the glory that is sliding downhill with your friends. That is why we donate to so many clubs, teams and winter sport programs as well as help out friends and riders with gear if they've been dropped and need something to keep them dry for the year. The more we do to help out each other in this small corner of winter sports the better.

Saga.You can definitely interpret our response as just another company wanting to expand the market to increase potential sales. But that is not our priority. We truly love riding with our friends and meeting new people who share the same passion for skiing and snowboarding that we do. If you knew the people behind the brand personally you would easily understand that it's always been about creating something that will allow current and new people to experience all the glory that is sliding downhill with your friends. That is why we donate to so many clubs, teams and winter sport programs as well as help out friends and riders with gear if they've been dropped and need something to keep them dry for the year. The more we do to help out each other in this small corner of winter sports the better.

Look, I own saga stuff and enjoy the brand and all that it contributes to skiing.

That aside, you pivoted and avoided my question. I'm asking why is it good to introduce new people to the sport? Why is it good to grow the sport? There is no logic supporting that ideal as "good" or "positive" for the sport, especially the core of it which we're talking about.

Let me put it this way. With the assumption that growing the sport is somehow good for it comes the assumption that it is now better off than it once was. So has freeskiing gotten more core as it has expanded? I would argue no, and implore you to present an example of how it has. Yes, factions of skiing have remained core but by and large, freeskiing has gotten more and more mainstream and away from its origins.

Airing out this idea of growth as "good" is just an echoing of the same capitalist ideals your business is part and parcel of. Skiing isn't a business. Skiing doesn't need to do anything, whether it be grow, shrink or whatever. It is an art form at the end of the day will do whatever it pleases with whomever and survive exactly as it should. No one involved has any obligation to spread it around and it shouldn't be a contentious viewpoint for someone to say, as I am, that they are content with how skiing is.

I don't feel like it needs to grow. I'm not opposed to change and quite readily welcome it but I don't think growth is necessary or even remotely good. Do I want more people in lift lines during the holidays? Do I want to hunt for a parking spot at the hill? Do I want to wait for hours in traffic? These are all very real questions that are ignored by a framework that values unmitigated growth.

K-Dot.Look, I own saga stuff and enjoy the brand and all that it contributes to skiing.

That aside, you pivoted and avoided my question. I'm asking why is it good to introduce new people to the sport? Why is it good to grow the sport? There is no logic supporting that ideal as "good" or "positive" for the sport, especially the core of it which we're talking about.

Let me put it this way. With the assumption that growing the sport is somehow good for it comes the assumption that it is now better off than it once was. So has freeskiing gotten more core as it has expanded? I would argue no, and implore you to present an example of how it has. Yes, factions of skiing have remained core but by and large, freeskiing has gotten more and more mainstream and away from its origins.

Airing out this idea of growth as "good" is just an echoing of the same capitalist ideals your business is part and parcel of. Skiing isn't a business. Skiing doesn't need to do anything, whether it be grow, shrink or whatever. It is an art form at the end of the day will do whatever it pleases with whomever and survive exactly as it should. No one involved has any obligation to spread it around and it shouldn't be a contentious viewpoint for someone to say, as I am, that they are content with how skiing is.

I don't feel like it needs to grow. I'm not opposed to change and quite readily welcome it but I don't think growth is necessary or even remotely good. Do I want more people in lift lines during the holidays? Do I want to hunt for a parking spot at the hill? Do I want to wait for hours in traffic? These are all very real questions that are ignored by a framework that values unmitigated growth.

So you want skiing to become rollerblading? Pass.

K-Dot.Look, I own saga stuff and enjoy the brand and all that it contributes to skiing.

That aside, you pivoted and avoided my question. I'm asking why is it good to introduce new people to the sport? Why is it good to grow the sport? There is no logic supporting that ideal as "good" or "positive" for the sport, especially the core of it which we're talking about.

Let me put it this way. With the assumption that growing the sport is somehow good for it comes the assumption that it is now better off than it once was. So has freeskiing gotten more core as it has expanded? I would argue no, and implore you to present an example of how it has. Yes, factions of skiing have remained core but by and large, freeskiing has gotten more and more mainstream and away from its origins.

Airing out this idea of growth as "good" is just an echoing of the same capitalist ideals your business is part and parcel of. Skiing isn't a business. Skiing doesn't need to do anything, whether it be grow, shrink or whatever. It is an art form at the end of the day will do whatever it pleases with whomever and survive exactly as it should. No one involved has any obligation to spread it around and it shouldn't be a contentious viewpoint for someone to say, as I am, that they are content with how skiing is.

I don't feel like it needs to grow. I'm not opposed to change and quite readily welcome it but I don't think growth is necessary or even remotely good. Do I want more people in lift lines during the holidays? Do I want to hunt for a parking spot at the hill? Do I want to wait for hours in traffic? These are all very real questions that are ignored by a framework that values unmitigated growth.

You make an interesting argument. Maybe growth isn't the best word to describe what I am getting at. What we really mean by "growth" of the freeskiing core is to maintain an open invitation to anyone who wants to learn and be more involved in these activities. It doesn't feel right to us for a person, or a business, with the opportunity to share the fun and experiences you can have from skiing to not do so for others who may be interested.

This is by no means a decree on how everyone should operate, that is ridiculous to expect. We have found that the joy experienced while riding with others is greater than doing it alone. Without skiing and snowboarding the friendships we have made and experiences created may not have ever happened.

I guess it comes down to what each person hopes to gain from spending time on snow. Some simply want the opportunity to get away from people and crowds. Others find that same happiness in sharing the possibilities and experiences with others. No one person can say which is better. But if we close ourselves off we can potentially be denying not only one persons ability to experience the glory that is snow sliding but may also limit the future sustainability of the industry, new ideas that can progress the equipment and progression.

It is very easy to assume any business is primarily focused on generating income. But sometimes a business can be created so that it allows the founders to help others reach their personal goals(i.e. sponsoring riders and their personal projects) and to share the glory that is skiing. We understand that not every person will view Saga as a brand devoted to the empowerment of aid skiers and snowboarders. That is ok. You will never have everyone on your side. But for those that do want to see themselves or their friends achieve their goals we believe being inclusive is the first step to create a thriving community.

K-Dot.Look, I own saga stuff and enjoy the brand and all that it contributes to skiing.

That aside, you pivoted and avoided my question. I'm asking why is it good to introduce new people to the sport? Why is it good to grow the sport? There is no logic supporting that ideal as "good" or "positive" for the sport, especially the core of it which we're talking about.

Let me put it this way. With the assumption that growing the sport is somehow good for it comes the assumption that it is now better off than it once was. So has freeskiing gotten more core as it has expanded? I would argue no, and implore you to present an example of how it has. Yes, factions of skiing have remained core but by and large, freeskiing has gotten more and more mainstream and away from its origins.

Airing out this idea of growth as "good" is just an echoing of the same capitalist ideals your business is part and parcel of. Skiing isn't a business. Skiing doesn't need to do anything, whether it be grow, shrink or whatever. It is an art form at the end of the day will do whatever it pleases with whomever and survive exactly as it should. No one involved has any obligation to spread it around and it shouldn't be a contentious viewpoint for someone to say, as I am, that they are content with how skiing is.

I don't feel like it needs to grow. I'm not opposed to change and quite readily welcome it but I don't think growth is necessary or even remotely good. Do I want more people in lift lines during the holidays? Do I want to hunt for a parking spot at the hill? Do I want to wait for hours in traffic? These are all very real questions that are ignored by a framework that values unmitigated growth.

In large markets, growth isn't required but in smaller places it sure is. I have seen half of the ski hills in my province close or reduce their service to natural snow only due to the lack of bodies to support the hills. If they can't make money, they close. The remaining two hills struggle every year. Partially due to shorter snow making seasons but partially due to fewer people on the hills.

Of course the sport needs to grow. It gets the fat lazy Wall-e chair-ridden folks off their asses and exercising during a time of year where it is easy to do nothing. It employs people from the clothing manufacturers, to the ski makers, right down to the high school kid serving you your burger in the lodge. There are benefits right down the line to argue for growth rather than just keep the jibbing few happier.

I'm not gonna quote all three of you because it makes too messy of a post.

The long and short is this:
- Skiing will change and evolve no matter what and I whole heartedly welcome it. Growth of the sport (especially through business means) isn't required for change to happen
- Not advocating for every jerry to come try out skiing doesn't equate to skiing alone or being a kermudgen. I don't think it's anyone's place to deter people from skiing. Skiing is fantastic to share with friends, but at the end of the day you're still just sharing it with a select few people. Inclusivity is bound to have limits.
- Skiing is a medium that businesses have coopted for personal gain. That's just calling a spade a spade. The sport was here long before brands were interested in growing it. Skiing was fine, is fine, and will be fine into the future. It will survive how it should, it doesn't need promotion (until you want to sell ski gear).
- I don't want skiing to be anything besides what it is. Unavoidably it will grow, all I'm doing is calling into question why this is lauded as good. No I don't want it to become rollerblading, nor could it ever be based on so many factors rendering that comment wholly irrelevant.

I don't know how I got down this rabbit hole in such a strange thread but I'm here. If there's one thing to take away from all my babble it's that letting skiing just be skiing without looking to grow it or shrink it or anything is a commendable view to hold.

I love skiing for what it is, and when it changes I'll still love it. It's not for me (or really any one single person or brand) to say how it should change though.

Easily the most uncomfortable 15 seconds of my life.