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K-Dot.I honestly hope this isn’t an unpopular opinion but Child Labor is the worst fucking name for a ski crew. The skiers in it are all dope too, just the name is so tone deaf. It reminds me of the ski crew Young Money Retarded from back in the day, just the worst branding imaginable
Child labor is a dope name. Plus if you own some of the merch it’s hilarious getting weird looks from people
doing swervy tip tappy unorthodox shit does not automatically make you fucking creative. If you go out in the park or streets with the mindset of doing those kinds of tricks, it is really not hard to come up with a bunch of new wave type stuff you could do at any given spot.
CatdickBojanglesMangus come super detuned. Did you get yours without a detune?
Those were the 2017 Magnuses I had, that was before they had the factory detune. It would still be a got idea to round off the bevel between the side of the edge and the bottom, finishing with a gummy stone. The bevel just takes out most of the work you need to do.
It's also very important to routinely gummy stone your edges through the season. But I can never remember to do that haha
K-Dot.I honestly hope this isn’t an unpopular opinion but Child Labor is the worst fucking name for a ski crew. The skiers in it are all dope too, just the name is so tone deaf. It reminds me of the ski crew Young Money Retarded from back in the day, just the worst branding imaginable
LMAO "YOUNG MONEY RETARDED"
i don't think even rap groups or labels would use the word "retarded" in their name, ever
can't believe that used to exist that's so fucking funny
this isn’t the first time I’ve heard this and I would like to address it.
There is a fine line between appreciation and appropriation, and I think the difference is that one is as respectful and understanding as possible of the culture the material is being taken from, and one is not.
For example, if the brand was called Vishnu, used imagery of the Hindu deity in question and the logo was a cow (sacred symbol) that would be flagrantly disrespectful of the culture being borrowed from.
I never have, and won’t, represent the brand that way. I appreciate what the god Vishnu represents in the Hindu religion (from the research I have done) and still think it represents the brand’s vision seven years later. There is something inherently powerful about religious words and imagery, regardless of which religion I choose to take from. And I take from multiple, regularly.
Believe it or not, I have spoken to a fair amount of Hindu people about their thoughts on the matter in my time as an Uber driver in Salt Lake and all of them have expressed similar opinions: as long as the imagery/material used doesn’t promote something forbidden in the culture, none of the people I talked to (anecdotal data) thought the name of the brand was inappropriate or disrespectful. A couple of them mentioned a beer brand called Brahma (general term for god) that they aren’t down with because alcohol is strictly forbidden in most (all?) Hindu cultures.
I realize my last paragraph is the near equivalent to someone who is accused of being racist saying “I have black friends” but in this case I think the point stands. I have talked to real life Hindu people about appropriation concerns and thus far none have seemed bothered by it. To the contrary, most of them thought it was cool that a random white bro in Utah knew about their culture.
When you add the fact that Vishnu is a common first name in India, along the same lines as Jesús or Maria José in Latin countries, I think I can dodge cancellation this time.
I’ll save my thoughts on Child Labor for another post if needed but suffice to say, people have no problem wearing Nikes made by modern indentured slaves in Vietnam or using their iPhone manufactured at Foxconn where people jump out of the windows mid shift. I think the name Child Labor reminds people of the world we really live in and that’s a good thing overall, despite the admitted edginess.
pinkcamo1000I agree and same goes for Vishnu honestly, if they switched the name to just "V" I would be stoked
thanks for the well thought out response! I'm glad you've put some thought into it, that goes a long way. I still think just "V" would be a cooler name, regardless of the potential cultural appropriation issue, which I only really alluded to in the first place. Cancelling the brand over the name would be beyond stupid. Stoked to get my second pair of wets this fall and yes they are 189s because I am level 6 core.
VISHNUthis isn’t the first time I’ve heard this and I would like to address it.
There is a fine line between appreciation and appropriation, and I think the difference is that one is as respectful and understanding as possible of the culture the material is being taken from, and one is not.
For example, if the brand was called Vishnu, used imagery of the Hindu deity in question and the logo was a cow (sacred symbol) that would be flagrantly disrespectful of the culture being borrowed from.
I never have, and won’t, represent the brand that way. I appreciate what the god Vishnu represents in the Hindu religion (from the research I have done) and still think it represents the brand’s vision seven years later. There is something inherently powerful about religious words and imagery, regardless of which religion I choose to take from. And I take from multiple, regularly.
Believe it or not, I have spoken to a fair amount of Hindu people about their thoughts on the matter in my time as an Uber driver in Salt Lake and all of them have expressed similar opinions: as long as the imagery/material used doesn’t promote something forbidden in the culture, none of the people I talked to (anecdotal data) thought the name of the brand was inappropriate or disrespectful. A couple of them mentioned a beer brand called Brahma (general term for god) that they aren’t down with because alcohol is strictly forbidden in most (all?) Hindu cultures.
I realize my last paragraph is the near equivalent to someone who is accused of being racist saying “I have black friends” but in this case I think the point stands. I have talked to real life Hindu people about appropriation concerns and thus far none have seemed bothered by it. To the contrary, most of them thought it was cool that a random white bro in Utah knew about their culture.
When you add the fact that Vishnu is a common first name in India, along the same lines as Jesús or Maria José in Latin countries, I think I can dodge cancellation this time.
I’ll save my thoughts on Child Labor for another post if needed but suffice to say, people have no problem wearing Nikes made by modern indentured slaves in Vietnam or using their iPhone manufactured at Foxconn where people jump out of the windows mid shift. I think the name Child Labor reminds people of the world we really live in and that’s a good thing overall, despite the admitted edginess.
VISHNUI’ll save my thoughts on Child Labor for another post if needed but suffice to say, people have no problem wearing Nikes made by modern indentured slaves in Vietnam or using their iPhone manufactured at Foxconn where people jump out of the windows mid shift. I think the name Child Labor reminds people of the world we really live in and that’s a good thing overall, despite the admitted edginess.
You had me until this paragraph.
If you’re making the “whataboutism” argument then you’re implicitly acknowledging that the name is also problematic. Two things can be bad at once, actual child labor and the name of the ski crew. In fact, the very reason why the name can be seen as tone deaf is because child labor still exists and one could argue that Americans and Europeans are often the benefactors of such barbaric practices. Your point essentially boils down to the “you criticize society yet you participate in it” meme.
As I said in my original post, I like all the guys involved and wish them the best, same with you Emmet. It’s just not a very good name for a group of white young men participating in a highly privileged sport to use to represent themselves. The name isn’t “end child labor”, let’s not act like there’s an activist slant to it either. As you said, there is an admitted edginess to it and it comes from the problematic nature of taking a concept wrought with inconceivable amounts of human misery and suffering and using it whimsically and carelessly.
Why not just rename the crew to slavery, human trafficking, indentured servitude or sex trafficking instead?
I don't think you're wrong but I also think you're taking this whole thing a little too seriously, like is the Child Labor crew actually causing any harm by using that name? There are better battles to fight than this.
K-Dot.You had me until this paragraph.
If you’re making the “whataboutism” argument then you’re implicitly acknowledging that the name is also problematic. Two things can be bad at once, actual child labor and the name of the ski crew. In fact, the very reason why the name can be seen as tone deaf is because child labor still exists and one could argue that Americans and Europeans are often the benefactors of such barbaric practices. Your point essentially boils down to the “you criticize society yet you participate in it” meme.
As I said in my original post, I like all the guys involved and wish them the best, same with you Emmet. It’s just not a very good name for a group of white young men participating in a highly privileged sport to use to represent themselves. The name isn’t “end child labor”, let’s not act like there’s an activist slant to it either. As you said, there is an admitted edginess to it and it comes from the problematic nature of taking a concept wrought with inconceivable amounts of human misery and suffering and using it whimsically and carelessly.
Why not just rename the crew to slavery, human trafficking, indentured servitude or sex trafficking instead?
**This post was edited on Aug 17th 2021 at 8:02:58pm
pinkcamo1000I don't think you're wrong but I also think you're taking this whole thing a little too seriously, like is the Child Labor crew actually causing any harm by using that name? There are better battles to fight than this.
**This post was edited on Aug 17th 2021 at 8:02:58pm
Pointing out that using what is widely considered to be a form of slavery as a name for a ski crew isn’t fighting a battle. It’s literally just posting on ski forum. I don’t care what they do, I just think it’s in poor taste and if someone affiliated responds to me I’m going to respond back
Most of these blurry ass SD edits suck. Not all but most. When it’s grainy but you can still see everything and it has good colors it’s ok but half the time I can’t make out what tf Is happening. @dvx100 does a great job of this I feel, still giving that warm nostalgic feeling of SD without ruining the video with shitty blurry unwatchable footage. But to each their own
K-Dot.Pointing out that using what is widely considered to be a form of slavery as a name for a ski crew isn’t fighting a battle. It’s literally just posting on ski forum. I don’t care what they do, I just think it’s in poor taste and if someone affiliated responds to me I’m going to respond back
You sound like a karen who would stand outside of venues to protest metal bands. Literally 90% of debauchery posted on NS that is worth watching could be considered 'poor taste'
K-Dot.Pointing out that using what is widely considered to be a form of slavery as a name for a ski crew isn’t fighting a battle. It’s literally just posting on ski forum. I don’t care what they do, I just think it’s in poor taste and if someone affiliated responds to me I’m going to respond back
A couple thoughts as I take a break from ripping off some imagery from the Old Testament:
I definitely see your point, just because the world sucks doesn't mean people should make it worse by being edgy. I didn't come up with the name Child Labor, those bros are an autonomous super group of skiers that I happen to support with skis and money. I've brought up the idea to them of just using Labor at some point to mixed reactions. The name "works" because when it was established they were all young people laboring to create ski videos. I don't think they thought about it much more than that.
New Schoolers is being taken over by absolute pansies that get offended by the dumbest shit.
”Steve stept called something gay in a skit and that’s homophobia”.
“Child labors name is bad”
”vishnus name is offensive”
“Dew rags are cultural appropriation”
”skiblade420s balls are just too massive”
Literally it’s all the dumbest shit that nobody cares about and I bet you would struggle to find anyone legitimately offended in the real world by this stuff, and if you did they’d most likely be the most bland people walking around with sticks up their asses.
I swear your brains are rotting from too many critical race theory classes.
Skiblade420”skiblade420s balls are just too massive”
This is true all my homies nuts-hung
^
Also could be considered a hot take by the one or two people packing on ns, but I stick with the Greek god physique
BiffbarfYou sound like a karen who would stand outside of venues to protest metal bands. Literally 90% of debauchery posted on NS that is worth watching could be considered 'poor taste'
Skiblade420New Schoolers is being taken over by absolute pansies that get offended by the dumbest shit.
guys, you're in the unpopular opinion thread, it's pages of stupid opinions about shit that doesn't matter at all. idk who child labor is and don't care about their name, but as an equal opportunity hater/uninvolved third party, i gotta say your panties seem equally twisted to the guys you're responding to
BiffbarfYou sound like a karen who would stand outside of venues to protest metal bands. Literally 90% of debauchery posted on NS that is worth watching could be considered 'poor taste'
Debauchery on NS is so harmless, it’s literally just white kids getting stoned and flipping off cops from the car their parents bought them, what the hell are you talking about? Metal bands have always been famously quiet about speaking out against systems of human oppression, great analogy that really tracks with the topic at hand.
Of course I’m getting downvotes for suggesting that a ski crew named after a form of slavery in 2021 isn’t the best optics, this website has gone to the dogs
The obsession a lot of people have with helmets is really dumb and annoying. I’m not anti helmet and I wear one myself but if you’re gonna complain about other people not wearing them shut the fuck up and delete Newschoolers
I really respect the quality and shape/profile, etc. of Icelantic but god I can not get over how ugly they are to me. This must not be the common sentiment because they’re everywhere here on the front range and my wife likes their graphics. But I honestly think they’re like the ugliest graphics ever. Especially the new nomad
People shouldn’t call Matej the “best park skier” until he drops an urban part, the level of dickriding is absurd. I’m still a big fan, but he’s not one of the “legends” yet.
asparagusPeople shouldn’t call Matej the “best park skier” until he drops an urban part, the level of dickriding is absurd. I’m still a big fan, but he’s not one of the “legends” yet.
Don't forget a few BC booters off cliffs or a gnarly chute straight line
asparagusThe “nosebutter” part of matej’s trip 19 was ugly as fuck because his tips were completely separated, it looked more like he set the trick too early
asparagusPeople shouldn’t call Matej the “best park skier” until he drops an urban part, the level of dickriding is absurd. I’m still a big fan, but he’s not one of the “legends” yet.
asparagusPeople shouldn’t call Matej the “best park skier” until he drops an urban part, the level of dickriding is absurd. I’m still a big fan, but he’s not one of the “legends” yet.
What does urban have to do with park? I wouldn't consider him the best yet either, but won't be surprised if he is in a few years.
asparagusbackcountry = hard mode park jump
urban = hard mode park rail
Idk if backcountry is hard mode park jump (wow my phone really just auto capitalized Backcountry, that's sad) Anyway
BC jumping kinda just more unique. You can't really make a jump look a ton different from another jump, so where it's located becomes the artistic value of a BC jump. They are unique and take work to make. Plus you just don't get to see a lot of clean massive dub 9s landed into powder.
On the other hand, urban is a lot more than just rails. There's jibbing and jumping and bouncing and swerving. Urban is next level art because there's so much more potential than anywhere in the snowy mountains. It often takes less work to access and build, but the risk, effort, and pain involved with getting a clean make is why urban is so hardcore
**This post was edited on Feb 23rd 2022 at 10:00:31pm
