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**This thread was edited on Oct 24th 2017 at 2:53:02pm
I didn't realize they've been building Xgames and doing work for Aspen Snowmass. Watch out SPT.
You would think if your whole company is based around building parks for resorts, you would have more pictures of terrain parks you've built for resorts.
that is something. not sure how well a company from saratoga springs is going to workout but there are plenty of mountains in this area that may want to outsource their terrain park management to cut costs. I could see them getting west, gore, jiminy peak, bosquet maybe. not sure a team of 3 people is enough though
freeskibum82that is something. not sure how well a company from saratoga springs is going to workout but there are plenty of mountains in this area that may want to outsource their terrain park management to cut costs. I could see them getting west, gore, jiminy peak, bosquet maybe. not sure a team of 3 people is enough though
For sure. I have friends that do contract builds for hills. As far as this, I'm not sure how you can build peoples parks and better yet, train their staff, if you don't know what you're doing.
Think about this, there are likely single people at the other mtns that have more park experience than this whole team.
3 people is more than enough if they're in anyway qualified. Not sure I'd want to "get certified" with them.
Seriously, this is madness. That might be the flattest landing to a step-down I've ever seen -- how many people blow themselves up on the 100 footer...
BWalmerhow many people blow themselves up on the 100 footer...
Hopefully no one hits it. You're either no where close to good enough to even think about hitting that, or you're at the level to confidently send huge jumps.. and if that is the case, I'd image that you'd recognize this for what it is and avoid at all costs.
Holy shit that is some sketchy stuff! You would practically have to hockey stop on the top of that money booter to down rail to get on it and not just clear to flat hahahaha
I ski there all the time after school for night skiing. It’s wack. 3/4 if the population there are jerries and to make it worse the park is on the face where there’s the most jerry traffic. Not a good combo. The park has come a long way in the past couple years but that “money booter” is ignant. I’ve hit bigger but I wouldn’t lay a finger on that jump. Aside from that the other jumps are sendable but you can always expect sheer ice and a herd of jerries on the landing. The rails were sticky with no lip on and they had a cannon that wasn’t in the pictures that was on its way to being 45 degrees. Their parks are fucked but where I’m from that’s what I expect and you gotta learn to shred it anyway. With the mountain being 20 minutes away and always finessing free passes you’ll have a good ass time
lol what is going on here?? Who are those people and what makes them qualified to advise anything at all? Gonna take on the northeast feature manufacturing and resort consulting market with a consumer drone pilot and a dj are ya? I mean, I wish them well i guess but I can't see this going anywhere at all.
Resorts and major companies are backing out of events left and right and they want to get into event consulting and management? Ever try shipping a 35' feature across the country or even just down the road? Nope. There is ZERO chance they ship park features anywhere and see a decent enough margin to be a money maker. It's why no one does it anymore cept arena and costal and they are (guessing here) likely under contracts and 1 or 2 man operations.
Like I said I wish them well but the logistics for something like this just don't add up anymore. This isn't 2002.
lol what is going on here?? Who are those people and what makes them qualified to advise anything at all? Gonna take on the northeast feature manufacturing and resort consulting market with a consumer drone pilot and a dj are ya? I mean, I wish them well i guess but I can't see this going anywhere at all.
Resorts and major companies are backing out of events left and right and they want to get into event consulting and management? Ever try shipping a 35' feature across the country or even just down the road? Nope. There is ZERO chance they ship park features anywhere and see a decent enough margin to be a money maker. It's why no one does it anymore cept arena and costal and they are (guessing here) likely under contracts and 1 or 2 man operations.
Like I said I wish them well but the logistics for something like this just don't add up anymore. This isn't 2002.
So the one guy is actually a pretty dirty snowboarder. Made it to dew tour a couple of times and I think got invited to X one year. I'm guessing this is all his idea. That said, last year was his first year working park crew of any sort. The other main guy I think last year was his first year working park as well, although he might have done another season at a place called gore(another sketch park)
As far as I know neither have any experience building features. Actually I can pretty much guarantee that. So I don't think they'd have to ship any features. But it also raises the question of "What does this business actually do?" A lot of the wording and the website in general is very vague. No pictures of things they've built just general things about "safety and progression".
I'm really good about not giving people too much shit. I feel bad for a lot of places, and though I love the "worst parks" threads I can't post too much stuff in them. That said, there were a lot of selfies and posts about how much they were "killing it" all season.
If you're going to brag about how good of a job you're doing, at least do a good job. Even on their epic photoshoot million foot booter, they didn't even square the sides or back. It was straight 1997 type of setup.
But the lack of pictures of builds shows both that they don't really have any idea what they're doing, and they've never really done any builds. I really dig the entrepreneurial spirit but some idea are just whack.
There are also several reasons why even the best park building mountains in the world don't build 80'+ jumps for the public.
By the way, props on that FD tube you just finished. Thing looks greasy as fuck. Also dig the new skirting. Are you phasing out the hdpe on all the features or was that a one off?
Mr.noodleThe rails were sticky with no lip on and they had a cannon that wasn’t in the pictures that was on its way to being 45 degrees.
I built that as a quicky "here's one more rail for the childrens" after I left. The length of the leg was intended to make it stable when you sank it into the ground. I saw pics of that and it looked fucking steep. I still probably would have hit it though. One of the locals John, donated a piece of tubing. Figured I had to make it into something or the mountain would sell it as scrap. Maybe next year it will be set up more legit.
You’re talking about the one all the way at the top of the park next to the corrugated right? It was definitely fun to hit but way too steep, every time I hit it I feared for my future children’s lives
theabortionatorSo the one guy is actually a pretty dirty snowboarder. Made it to dew tour a couple of times and I think got invited to X one year. I'm guessing this is all his idea. That said, last year was his first year working park crew of any sort. The other main guy I think last year was his first year working park as well, although he might have done another season at a place called gore(another sketch park)
As far as I know neither have any experience building features. Actually I can pretty much guarantee that. So I don't think they'd have to ship any features. But it also raises the question of "What does this business actually do?" A lot of the wording and the website in general is very vague. No pictures of things they've built just general things about "safety and progression".
I'm really good about not giving people too much shit. I feel bad for a lot of places, and though I love the "worst parks" threads I can't post too much stuff in them. That said, there were a lot of selfies and posts about how much they were "killing it" all season.
If you're going to brag about how good of a job you're doing, at least do a good job. Even on their epic photoshoot million foot booter, they didn't even square the sides or back. It was straight 1997 type of setup.
But the lack of pictures of builds shows both that they don't really have any idea what they're doing, and they've never really done any builds. I really dig the entrepreneurial spirit but some idea are just whack.
There are also several reasons why even the best park building mountains in the world don't build 80'+ jumps for the public.
By the way, props on that FD tube you just finished. Thing looks greasy as fuck. Also dig the new skirting. Are you phasing out the hdpe on all the features or was that a one off?
I built that as a quicky "here's one more rail for the childrens" after I left. The length of the leg was intended to make it stable when you sank it into the ground. I saw pics of that and it looked fucking steep. I still probably would have hit it though. One of the locals John, donated a piece of tubing. Figured I had to make it into something or the mountain would sell it as scrap. Maybe next year it will be set up more legit.
Thanks man! Yeah we're phasing out the blue all together. Still hdpe but it's just black and came in a smooth finish. Won't be completed for at least another year but everything that came down to the shop this past spring and anything new we're building was converted. We're seeing some issues with it already but I'm just stoked kev was down to try something new and to not be spray painting stencils anymore.
T.L.Thanks man! Yeah we're phasing out the blue all together. Still hdpe but it's just black and came in a smooth finish. Won't be completed for at least another year but everything that came down to the shop this past spring and anything new we're building was converted. We're seeing some issues with it already but I'm just stoked kev was down to try something new and to not be spray painting stencils anymore.
Word, I like the color/finish. Looks good. Hopefully it holds up well. The old blue panels seemed to do alright, just didn't hold paint for long. Digging that you're building some feature though. I was kind of bummed we didn't build anything that one year. Glad to see some new stuff rolling out of the shop.
Dear Rusty,
If you want to bust on the West Mountain park crews balls about “unsafe features and jumps” on New Schooler go the fuck ahead, but make sure you get your fucking info right and include yourself into the mix. Last time I looked you failed not ONE Terrian Park but you built TWO “ Unsafe Terrian Parks” ONE at West Mountain and and the OTHER at Oak Mountain. An these mountains are within same state and that’s Pretty fucking hard to do, but “Congratulations” you definitely exceeded at it👏🏻. Also my partner and I and the park crew had to pull West Mountain out of the fucking shit hole that you put them in when you left. Well I hope you know this past year West Mountain park crew built the best Terrain Park that West Mountain will ever see. So if you think you can build a better park than this past park crew than why don’t you stop Traveling the world and come show New Shoolers that West Mountain can “BUILD A SAFE TERRAIN PARK.” The only reason you think you can build a “SAFE TERRAIN PARK” NOW is because you travel the world to different parks and be supervised by people that were trained the right way. An just so you know My park crew was trained the right way to build safe features and jumps. So once again if you want to run you mouth on NEW SCHOOLERS make sure you have the right info. So why don’t you put this up. “The guys that built last years Terrian Park will not be returning back to West Mountain this up coming year.” 🖕🖕
cb24536Dear Rusty,
If you want to bust on the West Mountain park crews balls about “unsafe features and jumps” on New Schooler go the fuck ahead, but make sure you get your fucking info right and include yourself into the mix. Last time I looked you failed not ONE Terrian Park but you built TWO “ Unsafe Terrian Parks” ONE at West Mountain and and the OTHER at Oak Mountain. An these mountains are within same state and that’s Pretty fucking hard to do, but “Congratulations” you definitely exceeded at it👏🏻. Also my partner and I and the park crew had to pull West Mountain out of the fucking shit hole that you put them in when you left. Well I hope you know this past year West Mountain park crew built the best Terrain Park that West Mountain will ever see. So if you think you can build a better park than this past park crew than why don’t you stop Traveling the world and come show New Shoolers that West Mountain can “BUILD A SAFE TERRAIN PARK.” The only reason you think you can build a “SAFE TERRAIN PARK” NOW is because you travel the world to different parks and be supervised by people that were trained the right way. An just so you know My park crew was trained the right way to build safe features and jumps. So once again if you want to run you mouth on NEW SCHOOLERS make sure you have the right info. So why don’t you put this up. “The guys that built last years Terrian Park will not be returning back to West Mountain this up coming year.” 🖕🖕
Well, I wasn't sure if I should post the above, but now that somebody did it, I guess it's there. Also it says to put it up, so I guess its up. I was digging the two middle fingers at the end. Keeping it classy.
I wasn't going to respond but I guess if it's on NS I should.
I did fail building Wests park. I'm not sure what you would consider unsafe about it, but to each their own. That said I busted my ass to make it as good as I possibly could. The rails needed a ton of work when I got there. A couple of the boxes were completely broken. Those got re welded. There were 2 small stupid rails that had no skirting or feet and were unusable. I added skirting and feet to them and made them legit beginner rails. A short flat rail and rainbow were both absurdly tall. Flat rail was a 12'er and over waist high. I cut them down and rewelded them so that they would be useful. Every feature saw some serious love with wire brushes and flap disks.
I was supposed to have a crew of 5 people when I signed on. It was their worst season to date as far as I know so $ was tight. I get it, but it was only myself and one part time employee who I was forced to get rid of mid season.
In between everything that was going on I managed to build 2 new 4" tube rails 21' and 26', and a 200ml hitchin' post. Also built that pole jam after I stopped working there when I was collecting my tools because I figured, another feature is another feature.
The rail jam we had was 100% going to get canceled. I almost freaked out in the meeting and told them I would build it 100% on my own with no resources but we could not cancel the ONLY event we were going to have for the kids. It rained more leading up which really did not help. I had 2 days to build. I worked a 23 hour day(Actually working). I went home for a few hours then came back and worked an 17-18 hour shift. Went home for a few hours then worked a 15+ hour day of the event still trying to put final touches on things right before we opened to practice.
Oh and had gotten capped at 40 hours mid season so that was quite a bit of free labor, but I wanted 1 good event for the kids, even on the most shit season. I mean we opened early Jan in some of the roughest conditions I've ever seen, but it was a tough year from mother nature. In order to keep a park open at the start we were digging in features everyday, digging them out at the end of the day. It was literally insane, but the only way I could have anything in the ground.
The amount of my own money I spent on materials was wild. I brought over my own tools, and bought all kinds of stuff from the paint on the rails to the welding wire, grind/flap discs, etc. I had to dig mulch out of a snowbank at lowes so I could have that planter box looking good. I also fought hard to keep some of the lift towers. Unfortunately it didn't work out but those would have made sick jibs.
I'm not sure how 4 new features, 4 rebuilt features, and a bunch of repairs "put them into a shithole" But we can just disagree on that.
Oak though? Really?
Oak is a cool little mountain I grew up riding but they never had a park. The year before I worked there, they got a progression rail, progression box, and had a little barrel box. That was Oaks first park ever. I tore my knee before the season and didn't feel I could work a normal park job, but they were new owners and low on budget, so I VOLUNTEERED. As in working for free. ME and Kevtron drove 5 hours each way to pick up a rail I bought off of CL. I grabbed 2 smaller rails from my friend Derek. That's what we had to get us started. We ended up building a bunch of new stuff for a street rail jam at the end of the season.
For the next season we skirted everything. We ran out of time/$ for the first season. We finished welding the DFD rail the night before, and still got it in for the event.
2012/13 season
Then for the next season in addition to some smaller comps we did this for a 1 off rail jam
Any way I think at the end of my second season we had 27 features. As far as safety, the right line was a 8' down box into a 12' jump, into a 16' fatty flat box. No 100' booter because we didn't need it. Kids loved that line. There was also a medium line and then the advanced line with the double closeout. For the space we had to work with, it was pretty cool to build something that the first timers would hit, but people would also drive from syracuse, potsdam, etc for.
Got some people out riding rails in may to keep the stoke alive
I do agree with one thing. Traveling the world doesn't mean I'm good at building parks. I travel because I like to travel, and the southern hem winter beats a summer in the states. That said I've built a few things at some of these places
Built 4 new 100ml tube rails at Turoa.
Donkey dick rail for Afriski
And just some setups
Smith Grudge match
Didn't build any of those rails, but me and a friend built all this. I did all the cut outs. Our original design was scrapped because the rails were mangled and the wallride was beat. We put this together in a day and a half.
I really don't get what we're arguing about here.
Oak was shitty because they went from 2 rails to 27 and had some sick comps.
"had to pull West Mountain out of the fucking shit hole that you put them in when you left. "
Repaired tons of beat rails, built 4 freshies, chopped and rebuilt those 4 small ones.
The jumps weren't the best, but they were under 40' and people actually could hit them.
I already wasted my time going back to west. A normal sane person would have dipped but I worked some crazy hours, many for free, just trying to build stuff for the kids. I have pics on my old laptop welding new features when the shop was under 6 inches of water or so. Shit was sketch. The 26' tube dane stopped buy and hung out with me at 4am while I slammed it out just to get it on snow for the comp.
"The only reason you think you can build a “SAFE TERRAIN PARK” NOW is because you travel the world to different parks and be supervised by people that were trained the right way. "
I mean, I designed and built all of the above without supervision. Notice how I didn't post anything from Xgames, US Open, etc? I didn't design those courses, just helped where needed. I left all that stuff out.
As far as anything else there isn't a need. I didn't even have to go out of my way to pull some pics for this thread because I have pictures, because I've built things.
The 3 times I went to Rusty's Oak Mountain park were some of my favorite days of that season. If I lived closed to there I would've been there every single day seshing his set ups bc I always learned so many new tricks when I'd go there. He also made sure to have something for everyone in it, and it was by all means a "safe" terrain park. Never made it to West when he was there, but I wish I did because I know he always comes through on having a proper set up no matter what conditions are thrown at him. That was a shit season for snow and for being a one man crew the dude did the best damn job he could and left west with some proper rails to make a proper set up.
Talked to so many people about the jump at West this year and heard it was wack AF and one of the most unsafe park features they ever hit, didn't have many good things to say about the rail garden either, don't think I'll ever go to West again after seeing more pictures of the features from this past season. Nice ariel jump to reverse pole jam? lol
**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2017 at 1:14:33pm
cb24536Dear Rusty,
If you want to bust on the West Mountain park crews balls about “unsafe features and jumps” on New Schooler go the fuck ahead, but make sure you get your fucking info right and include yourself into the mix. Last time I looked you failed not ONE Terrian Park but you built TWO “ Unsafe Terrian Parks” ONE at West Mountain and and the OTHER at Oak Mountain. An these mountains are within same state and that’s Pretty fucking hard to do, but “Congratulations” you definitely exceeded at it👏🏻. Also my partner and I and the park crew had to pull West Mountain out of the fucking shit hole that you put them in when you left. Well I hope you know this past year West Mountain park crew built the best Terrain Park that West Mountain will ever see. So if you think you can build a better park than this past park crew than why don’t you stop Traveling the world and come show New Shoolers that West Mountain can “BUILD A SAFE TERRAIN PARK.” The only reason you think you can build a “SAFE TERRAIN PARK” NOW is because you travel the world to different parks and be supervised by people that were trained the right way. An just so you know My park crew was trained the right way to build safe features and jumps. So once again if you want to run you mouth on NEW SCHOOLERS make sure you have the right info. So why don’t you put this up. “The guys that built last years Terrian Park will not be returning back to West Mountain this up coming year.” 🖕🖕
Looking at the instagram it doesn't look like all rails were set up bad, but the ones in the above pictures are. First jump pictured I don't think I would consider unsafe, but it is not built right. I get it weather doesn't always cooperate maybe all of those pictures were after 2 weeks of 60 deg and sunny. The 100fter looks very unsafe and poorly built, you could have made a decent 50fter and still been able to dub if made properly.
Also, is this how you represent your company? Yea its just New Schoolers but instead of attacking somebody you should have focused more in defending your company and showing examples of well built features set up safe.
The 3 times I went to Rusty's Oak Mountain park were some of my favorite days of that season. If I lived closed to there I would've been there every single day seshing his set ups bc I always learned so many new tricks when I'd go there. He also made sure to have something for everyone in it, and it was by all means a "safe" terrain park. Never made it to West when he was there, but I wish I did because I know he always comes through on having a proper set up no matter what conditions are thrown at him. That was a shit season for snow and for being a one man crew the dude did the best damn job he could and left west with some proper rails to make a proper set up.
Talked to so many people about the jump at West this year and heard it was wack AF and one of the most unsafe park features they ever hit, didn't have many good things to say about the rail garden either, don't think I'll ever go to West again after seeing more pictures of the features from this past season. Nice ariel jump to reverse pole jam? lol
**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2017 at 1:14:33pm
It was always a pleasure to have you guys down at Oak. It was tough with the location.
You didn't really miss much that season at West. Mostly was just battling the weather. The rail jam we had was pretty sick, but the park/general conditions weren't worth going out of your way for the rest of the season.
As far as the 100'er, Idk how anyone can justify that. I think at first when it was only an 80'er or whatever the jump progression went from 10' to 30' to 80' in one line. No small option on the big one. I get that they wanted to have a big jump, but that's insane. When you have very limited space and snow, it's kind of a waste. From a safety perspective, well yeah...
But whatever. If they're not running it I wonder who will at this point. I feel bad for the kids that live around there. Place has insane potential, but has never even come close to achieving that. Maybe it's just not meant to be for west.
theabortionatorI feel bad for the kids that live around there. Place has insane potential, but has never even come close to achieving that. Maybe it's just not meant to be for west.
Couldn't agree more especially now that they finally have the features the people and the technology, but lack on using any of those 3 things in a well thought out way or even properly maintaining whatever mess they set up. Overall, Ii I'm stuck in New York then I'm living next to Whiteface all day.
KarkoskierCouldn't agree more especially now that they finally have the features the people and the technology, but lack on using any of those 3 things in a well thought out way or even properly maintaining whatever mess they set up. Overall, Ii I'm stuck in New York then I'm living next to Whiteface all day.
Tyler Watson and whoever else was working there a few years ago really got that place cracking. The jumps have always been goo at whiteface but the rail game was lacking hard at times. All those new tubes and some of the setups were fresh. I wish I lived closer. Only made it a few times in the last 5 years.
Well apparently they gave up on building parks, training park staff etc. Just looked at the website for the first time in a while. Now they're simply trying to do events.
Probably a good move on their part. The website is decent, and smaller events are at least doable to put on.
Because realistically, there was nobody(hopefully) going to hire people with almost 0 experience to build their parks, and better yet train their staff. At least in terms of contract work. With 1 season each of park work, it wasn't really going to take off.
Don't get me wrong, I was kind of intrigued by the whole thing, but this makes more sense for them.
I don't know if any of them have built any ramps but they have a picture of one on the website. The snowboard and skate demo thing is prolly their best bet. Not sure the logistics or if there's much money in it, but they seem like they're probably good at being a hype man/MC at events.
Also the one who freaked out on me is no longer part of the "team". I think NS sharing this thread with a savage title was the nail in the coffin crushing the dreams.
cb24536Dear Rusty,
If you want to bust on the West Mountain park crews balls about “unsafe features and jumps” on New Schooler go the fuck ahead, but make sure you get your fucking info right and include yourself into the mix. Last time I looked you failed not ONE Terrian Park but you built TWO “ Unsafe Terrian Parks” ONE at West Mountain and and the OTHER at Oak Mountain. An these mountains are within same state and that’s Pretty fucking hard to do, but “Congratulations” you definitely exceeded at it👏🏻. Also my partner and I and the park crew had to pull West Mountain out of the fucking shit hole that you put them in when you left. Well I hope you know this past year West Mountain park crew built the best Terrain Park that West Mountain will ever see. So if you think you can build a better park than this past park crew than why don’t you stop Traveling the world and come show New Shoolers that West Mountain can “BUILD A SAFE TERRAIN PARK.” The only reason you think you can build a “SAFE TERRAIN PARK” NOW is because you travel the world to different parks and be supervised by people that were trained the right way. An just so you know My park crew was trained the right way to build safe features and jumps. So once again if you want to run you mouth on NEW SCHOOLERS make sure you have the right info. So why don’t you put this up. “The guys that built last years Terrian Park will not be returning back to West Mountain this up coming year.” 🖕🖕
Wow I don't know how I missed this but I couldn't think of such a wrong statement could be made about rusty ever. I worked a season in the south hem with rusty and I have to say it was one of the best times I've ever had at a resort. I know rusty and I butted heads a few times over the season over park stuff but rusty always puts the parks best interests over his own which is makes him that amazing of a person as he is. It doesn't matter what the park has to offer area or feature wise, Rusty always leaves a park with a new rail before the season ends plus all of the knowledge he gave to me on how to properly build and maintain a park.
So I don't know who you are but I cannot ever explain to you how wrong you are about a person ever and I hope you really get to meet Rusty and work with him for a bit because you will learn so much and leave with some sick memories
#freedomandeagles
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