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a camera better than the gl2?

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alpinecowboy84
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hey i've been hired to make a soccer skills training video for an academy training program. we wont film until this summer and until then we'll be planning. i have a gl2 and i'm thinking that we need a better camera to do it, is there anything anybody can recommend?

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Feb 7 2005 11:28PM
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mintcrue
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ummm if u have the funding and the knowledge, the cannon XL1s is the next step up

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Feb 8 2005 12:00AM
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alpinecowboy84
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yeah but thats like 5g's, isn't there anything else thats in between?

jackson sucks. tell your friends.

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Feb 8 2005 12:47AM
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Dakoulas
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There isn't really anything other than the GL2 for around the price that you are looking for that is better. You could go with a VX but that and the GL2 are so similar that it wouldn't even be worth changing. What type of upgrades are you looking for exactly because I would think the GL2 would be fine.

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Feb 8 2005 1:09AM
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alpinecowboy84
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i just need crystal clarity, i suppose i just need to work on perfecting the lighting really since that has far more influence. it just needs to be sharp. this video actually has some very strong chances of making an enormous amount of money so it needs to be at that level of professional quality.

jackson sucks. tell your friends.

15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so i can fuck her.' - Crystal-needs-a-park
Feb 8 2005 3:05AM
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Utahpowderskier
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thats cool. How did you get involved with this one?
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Feb 8 2005 3:12AM
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alpinecowboy84
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my roommate is the fucking man and has more connections than anyone i've met in years, actually all my roommates have ridiculous hook ups. i'm getting the job because my roommate played soccer with this guy who runs the academy program and now coaches one of the guys teams for him. hes hooking me up because hes one of the most genuinely generous people i've ever known and he wants to see me get a start in the film business, even if its just a soccer tactics video - gotta start somewhere right?

jackson sucks. tell your friends.

15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so i can fuck her.' - Crystal-needs-a-park
Feb 8 2005 3:20AM
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Utahpowderskier
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go for it. who cares if its a soccer tactics video. Money is money, and its even better when it opens doors to even more money.
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Feb 8 2005 3:26AM
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pmills
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maybe you could find a used XL1s on e-bay or something, and sell your current camera to offset some funds too? i mean if this isn't goint to be a one time thing why start strugling with a camera you'll eventualy upgrade anyways?
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Feb 8 2005 6:45AM
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norcowolverinerider
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agreed with estcst101
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Feb 8 2005 8:55AM
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skodeo7
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GL2 is a fucking sick camera with incredible quality. It has so much potential there is no way you need anything more for this sort of video unless you were looking to shoot 24 fps.
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Feb 8 2005 4:27PM
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lanks
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used XL1, ebay, 2 g's. 10 mins or so left.

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Feb 8 2005 4:52PM
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Phrosty
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haha alpinecowboy, you cmoe on here running your mouth about film and shit, 'it's all i think about' blah blah blah. This thread pretty much devalidated anything you've ever said. if you don't know what cameras do what you have a lot to learn. KNocking on people who actually go to film school and know shit. I'm sure it's gona come out real profeshional if you don't even know what camera to shoot it on. 'but that's like 5g's' boohoo yea shits expensive. I'm sorry I'm being such a dick but you need this. get off your high horse. (to other ns users, I am not reffering to only this thread).



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Feb 8 2005 5:52PM
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damn phrosty, i've read three threads, and so far you have posted in two, destroying the author each time...
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Feb 8 2005 6:59PM
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lanks
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phrosty, i fail to see whats wrong with being humble and asking for suggestions. fill me in.

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Feb 8 2005 7:23PM
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Feb 8 2005 7:41PM
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xnoresponse
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^ what he said but make sure you get the underwater kind..

nah but if you could get an xl1 for a good price go for it. gl2's are sweet
Feb 8 2005 8:52PM
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alpinecowboy84
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phrosty, for the love of god man: i haven't been to film school yet, so it makes perfectly good sense that i don't know much about the mechanics of filmmaking. i know some things, but whatever opinions i have are in relation to things that you don't need to be in film school to understand: things like story construction, plot development, style, themes, actor strength, director quality, etc. these are things that anyone can have opinions on. i don't see any reason why i should feel stupid for asking questions about cameras that i'm not familiar with... and certainly not enough to ruin whatever absurd internet film integrity your referring to.

jackson sucks. tell your friends.

15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so i can fuck her.' - Crystal-needs-a-park
Feb 8 2005 9:20PM
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PowderCanuck
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that XL1 sold at a wicked price.
I've got a film crew and we got and XL1s. it's retarded how nice that camera is. You can be an absolute hack and produce a good film with that camera somehow. I'm in love with it.



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Feb 8 2005 9:22PM
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Phrosty
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all i'm saying is quit acting like you're the authority on film making.



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Feb 8 2005 9:33PM
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eastAR5
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everyone I know who films skateboarding hates the GL series because the audio sucks ass compared to the vx series and the colors in outdoor- day time arent as good either. The gl2 is less grainy in low light conditions than the vx1000 but is about the same as the vx2k and has worse sound qualitiy. Also the fisheye/wideangle lenses avaliable arent nearly as good. But then again i'm speaking from my skateperception so dont listen to me. I know you talked about soccar but for filming skiing gl2 can beat the vx1 beacuse of snow is primary colors.

vx1 vs gl2
pros:
cheaper
better fisheye
better audio
better picture (its a fact the chips in the vx1 are larger than the chips in the gl2)
your one of the vx1 crew

cons:
older (more prone to breakage)
no warrantee
no lcd screen
no on-handle controls

my cam:


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Feb 8 2005 10:25PM
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snowsnowsnow
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GET THE SONY VX-1000 OR VX-2100. i dont like the gl2's very much compared to those two cameras. you can find them for about 1300 at some online stores, which is a steal.

The main difference (that we care about) between the vx-1000 and the vx-2100 is this: the 2100 is much newer, and the clarity is a little better, not much tho. the 1000 is better for filming at night and has better contrast (which is great for filming arouond snow.) the 2100 is a bit newer and more expensiv, a little better clarity but not much, and has a few new features i believe. but the quality is much better than the gl2. the xl-1 is a very great camera, but its ginormous and i dont think its as good as the vx series when it comes to filming on the snow. Your other choice is to go to a used camera store and get an 8 mm video camera. These things are completely sick, although you can only film for like 3 minuts, and then you have to change the film, which is about $8 per roll. but the quality is so excellent. to edit you would have to splise, so unless you plan on spending hours and hours more on editing for perfect clarity in the 8mm, your best digital camcorder is gonna be the vx series
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Feb 8 2005 10:37PM
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eastAR5
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^its the opposite buddy,

vx1000 = 12 bit audio (sounds best on rails/pop) and best day time colors.

vx2000= better for night, 16bit audio but still good, slightly colder colors than the vx1
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Feb 8 2005 10:41PM
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t-man152
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forget about the video quality and the tons of features of the XL1 just the look is cool. its one of the sexiest cameras ive ever seen. before I knew about cameras and all that I saw an XL1 and I knew right away that it was cool. then I started using it and not only was it a cool looking camera it actually had shit inside to back up the awesome looks outside.

although its a great camera I think you should stick with the camera you have and spend your budget on fiels microphone, tripod lighting ect.

If big money is going to be made with this go to a local film school and get a film student to help you, you dont have to pay him/her alot and they will definitly make the video look professional with their expertise. Camera techniques, lighting, editing, and good audio equipment and techniques are key to making things look professional.
Feb 8 2005 10:50PM
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Phrosty
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the xl1 sucks, it's like shooting with a huge sack of potatoes. I have a xv21, and I like it more than any other camera Ive shot with, including the dvx, which by the way I'm suprised hasen't been mentioned.



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Feb 8 2005 11:02PM
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alpinecowboy84
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this is awesome and extremely helpful, thanks kids.

jackson sucks. tell your friends.

15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so i can fuck her.' - Crystal-needs-a-park
Feb 8 2005 11:31PM
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skodeo7
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yea I thought GL2 has better audio quality than the vx2000
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Feb 8 2005 11:53PM
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d-spin89
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panasonic dvx 100
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Feb 9 2005 12:32AM
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^panasonic DVX-100A.

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Aug 23 2005 2:16AM
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Parkboy
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yeah i was suprised the dvx 100a wasn't mentioned at all for that many posts. I think that's going to be my next camera. since i've heard nothing else except it's fucking insane

Aug 23 2005 3:07AM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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cowboy let me know if you are gonna dump that camera

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Aug 23 2005 3:12AM
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Itsbackfliptime
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i dont see how audio matters that much. If this video is so professional the soccer players are gonna have mics anyway. Even if it was for skiing it doesnt matter. The skiing noise is almost always muted.

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Aug 23 2005 3:22AM
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Mike-O
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Canon XL1S is a great camera, I love it. But I'm probably getting the VX2100 for my own use by these comments.



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Aug 23 2005 3:47AM
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twix_182
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yeah you could just attach a good mic onto your gl2 for sound. and i just got the gl2 and the quality is sick. try learning manual controls if you havn't. that helps a lot

Anyway, a gas station we pass. We got gas, and ran off to get grub.It was a nice little pub in the middle on nowhere. Anywhere woulda been better. I ordered enchiladas and I ate 'em, Ali had the fruit punch.
Aug 23 2005 7:40AM
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Huckasorass
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http://www.camcorderinfo.com/
is a pretty helpful site

Aug 23 2005 8:11AM
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Dfresh
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you sohuld of done your research man...

the 1000 is terrible for filming at night compared to the 2100

the daytime shot of the 1000 however is unbeatable...well it is, but not by a gl2 or a 2100 (unless your really really good with cameras and custom presets, then you can tweak the show in the 2100 to make it better, but it takes a lot of precision)

gl2 is perfect for what you are doing. its a professional level camera. just get the right accessories and you will be fine. i.e. lighting and you'll need pro mics and such... but yeah. w00t.

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Aug 23 2005 9:41AM
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freestyle_rich
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how about instead of dropping $5000 on a consumer camera you rent a real movie camera? it's the way to go man, and once you have more money you can buy the best camera.





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Aug 23 2005 9:52AM
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Huckasorass
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wow, I just realized how old this thread is

Aug 23 2005 10:38AM
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twix_182
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actually they're all PROsumer cameras

Anyway, a gas station we pass. We got gas, and ran off to get grub.It was a nice little pub in the middle on nowhere. Anywhere woulda been better. I ordered enchiladas and I ate 'em, Ali had the fruit punch.
Aug 23 2005 11:00AM
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freestyle_rich
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^but they don't compare to a $60,000 movie camera.





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Aug 23 2005 11:24AM
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ECfreeski3
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when you say movie camera, are you saying he should shoot in film?

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Aug 23 2005 11:42AM
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buying a film cam just cause you have the money for it isn't a bright idea, because you have to pay a shitload of money just to get it developed, then transferred to miniDV tape.

And the mic quality on the Panasonic DVX-100A has the best sound from what I've heard....THis whole clip was filmed with the DVX100A, in case you're interested:

http://stimulusskateboards.com/stmls_v5/promo.html

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Aug 23 2005 1:58PM
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Parkboy
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^thanks for the clip, i've been searching for stuff like that.

Aug 23 2005 2:13PM
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skisebski
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yo, you know a lot about filming. my bro and i want to split on a camera for filming skating and skiing. we just want an all around good camera compatible with a fish eye and wide lense. keep in mind that we are not made of money. what would you recommend?

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Aug 23 2005 2:22PM
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another1260poser
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Phrosty, when this kid (the one who started the thread) is talking about a professional situation and getting into the film industry, something like the XL-1(s) is not absolutely necessary, but will be his best bet by far. Alright, maybe you don't like the bulky shoulder mount design, but that's what professional cameras are like. they're far superior to any hand held prosumer camera like the GL1/GL2/VX2000, etc. That's why the XL-1 was created, because professional videographers wanted a more complete camera, with all the controls of a $10,000+ video camera for less money. if this kid (or anyone else) wants to get into professional videography, the XL1(s)/XL2 is the way to go, it just depends on the money situation. but no matter what, it'll be a good investment. s ince he is in fact talking about a professional situation, he will need most of the features of the XL1, especially the 2 XLR audio inputs. this isn't skiing/skateboarding videography that he's talking about where he can just use the left/right audio channels from the onboard mic.

and p.s. - you are the one who needs to stop acting like you are the authority on this subject. i don't care if you go to school for it or do it for a living or what, but there is always someone who knows more.

Aug 23 2005 3:21PM
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uh I don't think he knows too much about cameras because I know for a fact that the audio on a GL2 is better than the audio on a VX1k, but the audio on a VX1k is much better than that of the GL1.

the biggest difference between the GL1 and the GL2 is the audio. the GL2's audio is much better and is very muvh improved. I just thought people should know that since some are assuming the GL2 audio sucks because it did on the GL1.

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Aug 23 2005 3:44PM
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skisebski
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interesting,

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Aug 23 2005 6:27PM
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twix_182
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true senor

Anyway, a gas station we pass. We got gas, and ran off to get grub.It was a nice little pub in the middle on nowhere. Anywhere woulda been better. I ordered enchiladas and I ate 'em, Ali had the fruit punch.
Aug 23 2005 9:46PM
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cobra_commander
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try and get the acadamy to pay for a new camara you can use they might even have some around. if you can barow one it would save you a lot of money.

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Aug 23 2005 11:07PM
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hendrik.
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umm, guys , considering how old this thread is, and that he was doing it over the summer, i dont think he gives a flying fuck about anything yall are saying...


just though id mention it

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Aug 24 2005 1:26PM
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