Terrorism in Manchester

.MASSHOLE.The million dollar question. Some people will say integration, others will say extermination. Neither has proven to work yet.

It's likely got to come from Muslims themselves. They're the ones who can stop it better than any Westerner/Christian/Jew/whatever can because they have the common bond. Unfortunately, those who do try often end up dead or flee the country.

It's not going to change over night, it's going to take generations.

True, and though this is infinitely complex, it's always going to be hard to discuss the merits of either integration or extermination while attacks like this continue and while the coalition remains engaged in war in the Levant. As long as the Middle East remains so divided, I think it will continue. You can't have Jordan defending it's borders with what it has while the rich Saudis right next door just build a wall and enjoy their money/protect their rich extremists.

On a positive note, ISIL is getting crushed in this war. Since it's 99% an air campaign, it takes a long time and a lot of money. But in the last year alone they've lost thousands of square miles of terrain and several Iraqi and Syrian cities have been liberated.

Musing now....I think it will get more interesting as solar powered products become cheaper (to pick one example). We could hit a tipping point in a decade where solar/electric become more reasonable investments for the residential consumer, and when that happens demand for oil could plummet very quickly. I've watched ISIL dig wells in the Syrian desert every day for months, and I've lived in nations who bathe in their oil money with the luxury to not GAF about the turmoil around them. I wonder how things will change if the money tree begins to die there and they are forced to globalize, and I wonder if this will help stifle the easy cash flow for extremists who have easy access to these sources.

Lots of thoughts to spur some conversation, I realize many of them are only slightly related. The unfortunate reality is that this attack in the UK by a Muslim extremists has inevitably sparked discussion on the obvious source of this mentality. It's more and more prevalent, and it kills me that this is the world we live in.

Wow, skiing is cool...

Dustin.True, and though this is infinitely complex, it's always going to be hard to discuss the merits of either integration or extermination while attacks like this continue and while the coalition remains engaged in war in the Levant. As long as the Middle East remains so divided, I think it will continue. You can't have Jordan defending it's borders with what it has while the rich Saudis right next door just build a wall and enjoy their money/protect their rich extremists.

On a positive note, ISIL is getting crushed in this war. Since it's 99% an air campaign, it takes a long time and a lot of money. But in the last year alone they've lost thousands of square miles of terrain and several Iraqi and Syrian cities have been liberated.

Musing now....I think it will get more interesting as solar powered products become cheaper (to pick one example). We could hit a tipping point in a decade where solar/electric become more reasonable investments for the residential consumer, and when that happens demand for oil could plummet very quickly. I've watched ISIL dig wells in the Syrian desert every day for months, and I've lived in nations who bathe in their oil money with the luxury to not GAF about the turmoil around them. I wonder how things will change if the money tree begins to die there and they are forced to globalize, and I wonder if this will help stifle the easy cash flow for extremists who have easy access to these sources.

Lots of thoughts to spur some conversation, I realize many of them are only slightly related. The unfortunate reality is that this attack in the UK by a Muslim extremists has inevitably sparked discussion on the obvious source of this mentality. It's more and more prevalent, and it kills me that this is the world we live in.

Wow, skiing is cool...

The issue lies within the religion and region itself. So long as there is the Sunni-Shia divide, Wahhabist vs. everyone else, etc. the Middle East won't see peace IMO.

While ISIS has lost territory, it won't stop their ideas from spreading. Sure, the Caliphate may die and thats a huge symbolic victory, but that may actually make it harder to track their movements. We always knew Al-Qaeda had HQs in Afghanistan/Pakistan, ISIS in the Levante, but now that they've lost that it will be that much harder to track and find them.

Instead, they'll turn to their online presence which is MUCH harder to destroy. We've seen how far it can reach, no one can avoid it. Indonesia this past week saw an attack perpetrated by ISIS supporters that, more likely than not, came into contact with ISIS members through the web.

I do think the movement away from OPEC-oil will be a catalyst for the region. You may see the Gulf States like UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc. collapse given that they can no longer support their people. If Saudi Arabia collapses, what happens to Wahhabism will dictate the future of Islamist extremism.

Expulsion is the only solution.

Allowing muslims into a country is like letting a rat infestation linger and grow.

They'll start by eating through your food (as muslims leech off the welfare system), then as the population grows they'll begin to spread disease until the entire house is one overrun, unliveable hellhole.

These naive Europeans think they can seal these rats off into certain areas, but eventually the infestation will spill over.

I forget the name of the Danish psychologist who wrote about how most of them have very low IQs.

CampeadorAllowing muslims into a country is like letting a rat infestation linger and grow.

They'll start by eating through your food (as muslims leech off the welfare system), then as the population grows they'll begin to spread disease until the entire house is one overrun, unliveable hellhole.

These naive Europeans think they can seal these rats off into certain areas, but eventually the infestation will spill over.

I forget the name of the Danish psychologist who wrote about how most of them have very low IQs.

And you are fucking banned for racist and antimuslim hate speech. During your month off I hope you pick up a scrap of human decency but given your demonstrated behavior highly doubt this will ever occur.

I'm leaving this post up to stand as a reminder to NSG as we head into summer. Read the rules. Respect each other. Don't hate.

RudyGarmischAnd you are fucking banned for racist and antimuslim hate speech. During your month off I hope you pick up a scrap of human decency but given your demonstrated behavior highly doubt this will ever occur.

I'm leaving this post up to stand as a reminder to NSG as we head into summer. Read the rules. Respect each other. Don't hate.

You just banned the most entertaining member left on NS and the only successful troll in years

Well looks like this is the end of the majority of political threads. They were really just campeador talking to himself

LonelyWell looks like this is the end of the majority of political threads. They were really just campeador talking to himself

it was entertaining while it lasted

bdarb207Come up with that clever line all by yourself?

yeah lol

RudyGarmischAnd you are fucking banned for racist and antimuslim hate speech. During your month off I hope you pick up a scrap of human decency but given your demonstrated behavior highly doubt this will ever occur.

I'm leaving this post up to stand as a reminder to NSG as we head into summer. Read the rules. Respect each other. Don't hate.

Banned for "racism" and "islamophobia".

Criticizing muslims and islam is not racist.

There is no such thing as "islamophobia".

By the end of the summer you'll have no one left to ban.

Muslims will never integrate. The only solutions are expulsion, exclusion, and (in the case of jihadists) annihilation. Only those suffering from severe delusions fail to recognize this.

You leftist morons will continue to celebrate your own self-destruction no matter how bad it gets.

Farewell.

ToursBanned for "racism" and "islamophobia".

Criticizing muslims and islam is not racist.

There is no such thing as "islamophobia".

By the end of the summer you'll have no one left to ban.

Muslims will never integrate. The only solutions are expulsion, exclusion, and (in the case of jihadists) annihilation. Only those suffering from severe delusions fail to recognize this.

You leftist morons will continue to celebrate your own self-destruction no matter how bad it gets.

Farewell.

This is why hate is like a virus. its not a leftist, rightist case; its called freedom of religion. The first amendment protects everyone.


2 dead in stabbing after intervening when man yelled anti-Muslim slurs at women, police say


PORTLAND, Ore. -- Police say two people died and
another was hurt in a stabbing on a Northeast Portland light-rail train
after a man yelled racial slurs at two young women, one of whom was
wearing a hijab.

The suspect is in custody, police said in a statement. His name has not yet been released.

Witnesses told CBS affiliate KOIN
the suspect was yelling about hating Muslims and other things for
several minutes before people confronted him and that's when things
became physical.

Portland police spokesman Sgt. Pete Simpson
says the man on MAX, the train system, was ranting on many topics, using
"hate speech or biased language," and turned his focus on the women.
According to KOIN, those two women left the scene.

Simpson says
passengers intervened and were "attacked viciously." Witnesses told KOIN
one of the victims was stabbed in the neck and passengers rushed to
help them.

Simpson says one person died at the scene and another
at a hospital. The third victim is being treated for non-life
threatening injuries, police said.




According to witnesses, the suspect said he was going to get off the
train at the next stop and said no one should follow him. Portland
police took the suspect into custody near the Providence hospital after
he ran south into the nearby neighborhood, KOIN reports.

Simpson says police don't know if the man has mental health issues or if he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

TriMet,
which operates MAX, confirmed there was a surveillance system on train,
and the footage is being given to Portland police.

"It's
horrific, there's no other word to describe what happened today,"
Simpson said. "For the victims, our thoughts and prayers are with their
families… for the witnesses, there is no other word it is simple awful."

Millions
of Muslims marked the start of Ramadan Friday, a time marked by intense
prayer, dawn-to-dusk fasting and nightly feasts.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2-die-after-being-stabbed-by-man-who-yelled-racial-slurs-at-muslim-women-police-say/

RodiganIf someone rocks up to a concert for kids with a backpack containing a nail bomb with the intention to take out as many people as possible its fucking terrorism from anyone's perspective, I don't care what religion you are you dumb fuck

there are now 22 dead, mostly young children from my home town so shut the fuck up with your bullshit

Are you done being mad now?

ToursBanned for "racism" and "islamophobia".

Criticizing muslims and islam is not racist.

There is no such thing as "islamophobia".

By the end of the summer you'll have no one left to ban.

Muslims will never integrate. The only solutions are expulsion, exclusion, and (in the case of jihadists) annihilation. Only those suffering from severe delusions fail to recognize this.

You leftist morons will continue to celebrate your own self-destruction no matter how bad it gets.

Farewell.

Liberal agenda my foot, just your friendly neighborhood mod doing their job. Literally our first forum rule:

Any message may be removed if it:
Contains any form of discrimination based on race, gender, religion, national origin, physical or mental disability, sexual orientation or age. This includes words, abbreviations and slang which has a negative connotation.

I'm absolutely for free speech and open discourse, but discrimination and outright hate speech gets banned. Replace Muslim/Islam with Blacks/Jews/Gypsies in your post and you literally sound like a Hitler youth.

You've already had one ban for a month for this very reason, so I have severe doubts that you'll come back with a different attitude. Look forward to the permaban.

RudyGarmischLiberal agenda my foot, just your friendly neighborhood mod doing their job. Literally our first forum rule:

Any message may be removed if it:
Contains any form of discrimination based on race, gender, religion, national origin, physical or mental disability, sexual orientation or age. This includes words, abbreviations and slang which has a negative connotation.

I'm absolutely for free speech and open discourse, but discrimination and outright hate speech gets banned. Replace Muslim/Islam with Blacks/Jews/Gypsies in your post and you literally sound like a Hitler youth.

You've already had one ban for a month for this very reason, so I have severe doubts that you'll come back with a different attitude. Look forward to the permaban.

Fucking Christ, I cant believe I wasted my 25000th post on your shit.

In the old days of NS, it took a solid 5 pages for a sociology thread to turn into a full on shit show. Now it takes 1 page.