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Lechzeizz
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Looking for a very stiff ski as I have an aggressive style, not a ski for deep powder but to handle fresh/cut/icy conditions. I want stability in this ski, and it needs to handle cliff drops.
I'm 6ft5 210 pounds and expert level.
Am so far looking at on3p wrenegade 108 and black crows Corvus.
Any advice on skis to buy?
Apr 11 2017 11:04AM
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bibs_skibum
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I have a pair of wren 112s (more or less the same), and they fucking rip. No speed limit. Since you are such a huge dude, the 186 might be a tad short for you so if you can find something in the 190+ region, that would probably help you out.
Apr 11 2017 12:52PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Wren 108 in a 189, if you have cash to splash ask them to make it stiffer and get it in a custom layup.
Apr 11 2017 1:40PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Edit to say you may want to look at some 190+ options. Not too many, but they're out there.
Apr 11 2017 1:40PM
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Zypher
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Black Crows is known for making some pretty bombproof, damp skis so you would like those. The Black Crows Atris is something else to look at, very close to the corvus with some slight adjustments. As well, I think looking into the Moment Governor and Belafonte would be a good idea. Both are super stable chargers from what i've heard and are close in comparison to the wrens.
Apr 11 2017 2:05PM
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Lechzeizz
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bibs_skibumI have a pair of wren 112s (more or less the same), and they fucking rip. No speed limit. Since you are such a huge dude, the 186 might be a tad short for you so if you can find something in the 190+ region, that would probably help you out.


.MASSHOLE.Edit to say you may want to look at some 190+ options. Not too many, but they're out there.


Thanks yeh the wrenegades look the way to go, are there any skis in this category that are chargier/stiffer than these? And do you know how much of a difference the stiffer carbon fibre will make to them?
Apr 11 2017 2:18PM
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Session
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LechzeizzThanks yeh the wrenegades look the way to go, are there any skis in this category that are chargier/stiffer than these? And do you know how much of a difference the stiffer carbon fibre will make to them?


Call them.
Apr 11 2017 2:33PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Shoot the ON3P guys a message, they'll be able to help you with that info.

The Dynastar Pro Rider in a 192 is another option, Volkl Confession, Stockli Stormrider 107 in a 192, Head Monster 108 in a 192 (if you can find them), and if you're REALLY lucky, old Volkl Katanas in a 190+ when they had metal. Those bad boys are rare though.
Apr 11 2017 2:34PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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ON3P is making a limited 193 BG, that MAY work, depending on how much ice/firm snow you ski. Their FWT skier uses a custom BG for their events.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/300074-2016-2017-ON3P-SKIS-Thread-(Finally)/page61
Apr 11 2017 2:50PM
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Lechzeizz
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.MASSHOLE.Shoot the ON3P guys a message, they'll be able to help you with that info.

The Dynastar Pro Rider in a 192 is another option, Volkl Confession, Stockli Stormrider 107 in a 192, Head Monster 108 in a 192 (if you can find them), and if you're REALLY lucky, old Volkl Katanas in a 190+ when they had metal. Those bad boys are rare though.


The katanas look like fucking beasts!
Apr 11 2017 4:06PM
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Lechzeizz
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.MASSHOLE.Shoot the ON3P guys a message, they'll be able to help you with that info.

The Dynastar Pro Rider in a 192 is another option, Volkl Confession, Stockli Stormrider 107 in a 192, Head Monster 108 in a 192 (if you can find them), and if you're REALLY lucky, old Volkl Katanas in a 190+ when they had metal. Those bad boys are rare though.


http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=252732867939&category=134391&pm=1&ds=0&t=1491941351906
These aren't the old katanas by any chance?
Apr 11 2017 4:11PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Lechzeizzhttp://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=252732867939&category=134391&pm=1&ds=0&t=1491941351906
These aren't the old katanas by any chance?


No. The old ones are basically impossible to find. Those are the V-werks
Apr 11 2017 4:14PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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This one I believe.

Apr 11 2017 4:46PM
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Rum_Ham
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Moment Governors or Belafontes might suit your needs pretty well.
Apr 11 2017 5:40PM
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bibs_skibum
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.MASSHOLE.This one I believe.



Not to thread jack, but I have a pair of these for sale in a 184
Apr 11 2017 7:02PM
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BirtDike
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Im 6'3" 210lbs. I use 191 On3p Wrenegade 113s and 191 Head Monster 108s for the purpose you are speaking of. They are both phenomenal skis, but each serve a different purpose. The wren 113 is for powder and days after the storm, the monster 108 is for anything firm. These are the skis you want, but they eat jive turkeys for breakfast, be warned. They are the best metal and non-metal skis in their category, and you have to special order these sizes. You wont find any deals, but they are well worth the money.

The Wrenegade is significantly lighter, but not much less damp. It is actually more locked in or "beastly" in terms of how straight the sidecut skis, than anything else ive skied. It just wants to nuke the fall line at 40 mph, dont turn. You can ski bumps, just so long as you can air every turn. It is a true big mountain ski, none of this hocus pocus you see nowadays. The more I ski this ski, the more I love it. itll handle firm, but the edges dont bite like a Blizzard or HEAD ski.

The Monster 108 in size 191 is actually 110 underfoot. Its stupid heavy, almost 3000g per ski. Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde ski. On one side this weight makes it absolutely obliterate anything in its path, however on the other side it makes you tired AF if you like to get into the air and jib(in a directional fashion). With its 27.5m sidecut, it still prefers long radius turns, but is much easier to make shorter turns on compared to the Wren. It feels old fashioned, and there is almost no rocker to speak of. Its the rare full camber ski, long thought to be extinct. Funny cuz it lacks the pop of the Wren. It is super damp, super smooth, I dont think Zeus himself could find the speed limit. The weirdest part about this ski, is how easy it is to ski. Its very easy to ski, almost too easy. As long as you are going a moderate speed, and give it a little input, itll do anything you want. Bumps, glades, chutes, even
Apr 11 2017 7:14PM
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BirtDike
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Fuck it cut off my essay. Continued

...even
Apr 11 2017 7:23PM
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BirtDike
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Damnit.. i cant write more than one paragraph now. Just call On3p
Apr 11 2017 7:25PM
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Casey
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I wrote a review on here of the K2 annex 118, now the K2 pinnacle. Pretty burly damp little ski I like em.
Apr 11 2017 7:56PM
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BirtDike
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Take this thread to TGR
Apr 11 2017 8:32PM
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schusson
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Nordica Enforcer Pro for next year charges pretty hard. Only comes in a 191.
Apr 11 2017 8:41PM
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Lechzeizz
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LazerHawkIm 6'3" 210lbs. I use 191 On3p Wrenegade 113s and 191 Head Monster 108s for the purpose you are speaking of. They are both phenomenal skis, but each serve a different purpose. The wren 113 is for powder and days after the storm, the monster 108 is for anything firm. These are the skis you want, but they eat jive turkeys for breakfast, be warned. They are the best metal and non-metal skis in their category, and you have to special order these sizes. You wont find any deals, but they are well worth the money.

The Wrenegade is significantly lighter, but not much less damp. It is actually more locked in or "beastly" in terms of how straight the sidecut skis, than anything else ive skied. It just wants to nuke the fall line at 40 mph, dont turn. You can ski bumps, just so long as you can air every turn. It is a true big mountain ski, none of this hocus pocus you see nowadays. The more I ski this ski, the more I love it. itll handle firm, but the edges dont bite like a Blizzard or HEAD ski.

The Monster 108 in size 191 is actually 110 underfoot. Its stupid heavy, almost 3000g per ski. Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde ski. On one side this weight makes it absolutely obliterate anything in its path, however on the other side it makes you tired AF if you like to get into the air and jib(in a directional fashion). With its 27.5m sidecut, it still prefers long radius turns, but is much easier to make shorter turns on compared to the Wren. It feels old fashioned, and there is almost no rocker to speak of. Its the rare full camber ski, long thought to be extinct. Funny cuz it lacks the pop of the Wren. It is super damp, super smooth, I dont think Zeus himself could find the speed limit. The weirdest part about this ski, is how easy it is to ski. Its very easy to ski, almost too easy. As long as you are going a moderate speed, and give it a little input, itll do anything you want. Bumps, glades, chutes, even



This is really helpful... Can you pm me the rest? Tried making this thread in tgr but I don't have the privelidges yet
Apr 12 2017 7:20AM
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BirtDike
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.MASSHOLE.ON3P is making a limited 193 BG, that MAY work, depending on how much ice/firm snow you ski. Their FWT skier uses a custom BG for their events.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/300074-2016-2017-ON3P-SKIS-Thread-(Finally)/page61


I cant wait for this!
Apr 12 2017 7:31AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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LazerHawkI cant wait for this!


Seriously...knowing ON3P that means it is a true 193. I just bought the 189 last year and love it, but a 193 would be amazing.
Apr 12 2017 8:12AM
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BirtDike
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.MASSHOLE.Seriously...knowing ON3P that means it is a true 193. I just bought the 189 last year and love it, but a 193 would be amazing.


Im probably getting both. I got rid of my 191s this year, and had so much sellers remorse.. i dont think ive ever experienced it so bad before sellig the BGs

Im stocking up on BGs. Stock 189 for trees, Jackson and Kirkwood. Custom extra carbon 193 with america topsheet, for Big Sky and Mammoth. best ski ever
Apr 12 2017 9:24AM
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SofaKingSick
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.MASSHOLE.if you're REALLY lucky, old Volkl Katanas in a 190+ when they had metal. Those bad boys are rare though.


LechzeizzThe katanas look like fucking beasts!


.MASSHOLE.This one I believe.



yeahhh dude get some 190 or 197 regular katanas if you can. fuckin cruise missiles
Apr 12 2017 10:46AM
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.lencon
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Praxis GPO or ON3P BG
Apr 12 2017 3:11PM
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bibs_skibum
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.lenconON3P BG


BGs arent really a charging ski. Unless you get this theoretical custom billy goat.
Apr 12 2017 3:14PM
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.lencon
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bibs_skibumBGs arent really a charging ski. Unless you get this theoretical custom billy goat.


A custom 193 BG would do OP pretty well I'd say..

But yeah, a current stock 189 BG would probably be too small for OP.
Apr 12 2017 3:20PM
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Lechzeizz
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SofaKingSickyeahhh dude get some 190 or 197 regular katanas if you can. fuckin cruise missiles


These are just what i want... How rare really are they? aka shall i just forget about getting them....
Apr 12 2017 3:23PM
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SofaKingSick
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LechzeizzThese are just what i want... How rare really are they? aka shall i just forget about getting them....


im not sure how plausible finding a pair would be, i havent checked cause i have some that ive just held onto. they werent rare but very well could be now since they were a mega popular ski and got discontinued. id also imagine they didnt make a TON of 197s either

id do some googling and asking around, but there are definitely other great options out there for ya! i just have to sing my praises for the katanas any time i get a chance...
Apr 12 2017 3:44PM
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csdavidson18
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LechzeizzLooking for a very stiff ski as I have an aggressive style, not a ski for deep powder but to handle fresh/cut/icy conditions. I want stability in this ski, and it needs to handle cliff drops.
I'm 6ft5 210 pounds and expert level.
Am so far looking at on3p wrenegade 108 and black crows Corvus.
Any advice on skis to buy?


Try the blizzard rustler 10 or 11. It is pretty stiff and stable at speeds but it is really buttery in the tip. It took blizzard 6 years to develop this ski and it absolutely blew my mind. I bought a pair right after demoing them. I did not think there was a ski on the market that is both stable and buttery but I was proven wrong with these sticks. Hard charging in off piste and a champ on the groomers, you'd be dumb not to ski them.
Apr 13 2017 3:07PM
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BirtDike
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Get a custom 194cm Praxis Freeride, Maple/Ash core with #5 flex. They are half price right now, through the end of April.
Apr 14 2017 7:37AM
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BirtDike
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Good Video on the Head Monster 108

https://vimeo.com/145311059
Apr 14 2017 10:00AM
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