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LJ Strenio Got Robbed Of X-Games Gold

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willysworld
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LJ's part was so much more tech and gnar than Magnus .. why is it that everyone rides the bunches dick so hard. hipsters with arms that flail everywhere. Magnus shreds his part was pretty dope but a lot of the tricks were on small features with no consequences.
The only mind-blowing trick he did, in my opinion, was the wall ride to cork 270 rail tap.. (that was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen) but in all honesty LJ has been one of the best rail skiers for such a long time and that video part was so next level there was some of the biggest rails ever slid in there.. back flip rail transfers back flips to stalls.. that cork 7 to deck landing late 180.. how the fuck did LJ not win the gold medal.. I think this is Ludacris.

Please discuss.. I still liked magnus and Edollos parts they bot featured amazing tricks but they didn't touch LJ he was hands down the winner in my mind.
Feb 26 2017 1:23AM
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P-Jones
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what in the got damn hell are you talking about
Feb 26 2017 1:30AM
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willysworld
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Im sorry, I know I don't even fuckin ski anymore so I don't have credibility but I just don't buy it. Magnus's style is a shittier version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvBOKh_Uv5k but wearing your dads gym clothes from the 80s. All of his tricks are unique only in the skiing sense. Otherwise you combine a double kink skiers have been hitting for 20 years and ollie over the front like skateboarders have been doing for 69 years and you somehow have something cool? Not really. I guess I'm just bored of seeing people call this shit creative when it's not creative, it's just that he took a bite off of a piece of the old and crusty skateboarding pie. Also the handdrag stuff? Watch Idea and then do it on a concrete slab instead of a rock in the backcountry. Again, not creative it's old and tired.

The only thing that was sick was his crazy revert handdrag to bomb drop thing. If I tried to do that my neck would be broken right now.

This comment on real ski results article sums it all up pretty good..
Feb 26 2017 1:34AM
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Newschooleri.
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I have been a member of NS since the golden era of 09 and your post is the most ignorant post I have ever came across. I do not consider myself to be one of those people who rant on the internet but boy are you going to get an ear full right now.

The real ski judges were: VinnyCash, eheath, Dadali, Schmuk and Berman. And I am sorry but I have never heard of you. How you managed to get an orange name I have no idea. If you were a real orange name, then you would understand why Magnus won and wouldn’t be spreading your stupidity on this already dying forum (I blame you for any future damage done to this online community).

Now let’s talk technical. To support your ill structured claim LJ did kill it. But… Real Ski has a lot more factors then just technical tricks. For that, I love this competition. The wide scope of judging that goes into this competition is truly amazing and reflects our growing sport. LJ hit a lot of gnarly rails. However, a lot of them are tricks we have seen in the past. LJ’s crazy rail from Grand Bizarre is similar to the one he hit in this real ski edit. The multiple kink rail is nothing we have not seen before. Also in the edit if you really pay attention some tricks are done twice just on different rails (same goes for some other contenders). I am not discrediting the gnarliness, all I am saying is nothing that revolutionary about that edit. LJ walks around an urban environment and sees what a lot of other skiers would see but just has the balls to hit “bigger/gnarlier” shit (ie. Longer rails, more kinks etc…) I believe the direction in which skiing is going a simple switch 2 in 2 out just does not cut it anymore; no matter how long the rail.

Now if you analyse Maguns’ edit you will see that from the first shot the style is different from everyone else in the contest. The combination of style and his tech skills whilst utilizing the urban environment just keep getting more impressive as you keep watching. Butter to wall ride! The waterfall down rail! Nollie on! The hand drag 180! Every single trick/shot is different. No two tricks are reused and on top of that, 95% of the edit consists of a trick that no one has done before. Magnus has an ability to view a feature in such a unique way and still be able to hit it with style and yea to rub it in your face he wears “your dads shit”. You can reflect it back to Candide. He was the first to do corks on skis. He had no one to learn from (except maybe snowboarding) and he was able to visualize these tricks and be the first to do them (a true pioneer) while wearing “new-school baggy shit”.

History repeats its self and Magnus, alongside The Bunch, are pioneering a new direction in skiing while you ozzywrong keep flailing your arms off a 15ft cliff.

Thank you to all the amazing judges that are giving credit to Magnus, pushing the sport in the right direction and giving guys like Magnus the spotlight! I have showed many non-ski friends all the real ski edits; guess which one stands out the most? You guessed it; Magnus’. The one that is progressive, fun to watch and gets people stoked (isn’t that what skiing is all about?).
Feb 26 2017 2:15AM
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Casey
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This thread made me consider what it would be like to care so deeply about X Games results. Especially what it would be like to get really pissed this fake category of edit judging that is the most subjective thing imaginable.
Feb 26 2017 2:29AM
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willysworld
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Newschooleri.I have been a member of NS since the golden era of 09 and your post is the most ignorant post I have ever came across. I do not consider myself to be one of those people who rant on the internet but boy are you going to get an ear full right now.

The real ski judges were: VinnyCash, eheath, Dadali, Schmuk and Berman. And I am sorry but I have never heard of you. How you managed to get an orange name I have no idea. If you were a real orange name, then you would understand why Magnus won and wouldn’t be spreading your stupidity on this already dying forum (I blame you for any future damage done to this online community).

Now let’s talk technical. To support your ill structured claim LJ did kill it. But… Real Ski has a lot more factors then just technical tricks. For that, I love this competition. The wide scope of judging that goes into this competition is truly amazing and reflects our growing sport. LJ hit a lot of gnarly rails. However, a lot of them are tricks we have seen in the past. LJ’s crazy rail from Grand Bizarre is similar to the one he hi
t in this real ski edit. The multiple kink rail is nothing we have not seen before. Also in the edit if you really pay attention some tricks are done twice just on different rails (same goes for some other contenders). I am not discrediting the gnarliness, all I am saying is nothing that revolutionary about that edit. LJ walks around an urban environment and sees what a lot of other skiers would see but just has the balls to hit “bigger/gnarlier” shit (ie. Longer rails, more kinks etc…) I believe the direction in which skiing is going a simple switch 2 in 2 out just does not cut it anymore; no matter how long the rail.

Now if you analyse Maguns’ edit you will see that from the first shot the style is different from everyone else in the contest. The combination of style and his tech skills whilst utilizing the urban environment just keep getting more impressive as you keep watching. Butter to wall ride! The waterfall down rail! Nollie on! The hand drag 180! Every single trick/shot is different. No two tricks are reused and on top of that, 95% of the edit consists of a trick that no one has done before. Magnus has an ability to view a feature in such a unique way and still be able to hit it with style and yea to rub it in your face he wears “your dads shit”. You can reflect it back to Candide. He was the first to do corks on skis. He had no one to learn from (except maybe snowboarding) and he was able to visualize these tricks and be the first to do them (a true pioneer) while wearing “new-school baggy shit”.

History repeats its self and Magnus, alongside The Bunch, are pioneering a new direction in skiing while you ozzywrong keep flailing your arms off a 15ft cliff.

Thank you to all the amazing judges that are giving credit to Magnus, pushing the sport in the right direction and giving guys like Magnus the spotlight! I have showed many non-ski friends all the real ski edits; guess which one stands out the most? You guessed it; Magnus’. The one that is progressive, fun to watch and gets people stoked (isn’t that what skiing is all about?).


Cool story dude.. you have no idea what you are talking about. LJ won hands down 15-foot cliff lol.. I bet you are from Portland.. and rock Supreme and Nike sb's But don't skate.. the hipster style isn't that progressive. He does have skills but most of the features weren't high consequence LJ should have won end of story. Magnus's tricks were cool and were progressive but they don't deserve to win X-games real ski. My opinion you can take it or leave it. all these so called progressive tricks Andy and Pep did in Idea years ago with way better style. All he is doing is copying Keegan Valaika and the hipster snowboard movment. It's still amazing skiing but it's no where near as gnarly as what LJ is doing. You think you know what you are talking about and that's fine I disagree.
Feb 26 2017 2:47AM
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weedoo
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I can't disagree with you there I just love Magnus but LJ went hard for that shit. Backflip to pillar especially
Feb 26 2017 4:10AM
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bluepr1nt
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LJ did have some crazy bangers in there, but he also had some of the weakest spots and tricks in the contest. Front 2 off that mellow roof, backslide a 5ft rail to back 180 out, switch 2 back 2 a pretty normal down rail, 3 short up rails to back 2, even that closeout rail 2 pretz 4... all tricks that you wouldn't bat an eyelid at in a random am's street part. The judges clearly balanced those tricks against the crazy things he did and decided the stunts just about earned him a medal, but he wasn't even close to the consistent level of surprising tricks Magnus and Henrik both had. It's pretty obvious why he didn't win.
Feb 26 2017 5:42AM
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PATROL
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Although I said before that the winner should at least come from the trio LJ, Henrik and Magnus, I'm still a little dissapointed on LJ's position (should've taken silver AT LEAST). Especially after seeing the Real Attempt video, the guy puts in WORK.
It's funny how people are saying that he was doing too much "stock" stuff, almost making it seem like the tricks were easy compared to Magnus. Not to critizise Magnus's part at all, but his edit had maybe 3 or 4 tricks that truly impressed me, mainly the 2 closers and the nollie on the DFD. But some of the stuff, like the butter thingy across the roof was kind of meh, and there was also zero consequence.
LJ in the meanwhile hit stuff Magnus or hell, the rest of the field would not even concider trying. It just seems weird how people can't understand how badly you could fuck yourself up hitting those features. Getting tangeled up on the elbow, falling to the stairs after grinding half the last DFD with high speed, coming up short on the loop switch-up, I mean jesus. Call me "not core enough", but that alone combined with the tricks he actually performed is impressive enough over someone pressing their noses over a meter high rooftop.
I realise LJ doesn't have the best style, but he has a distinctive, agressive style that fits agressive street skiing. He hasn't jumped in any bandwagons and I appreciate him for doing his own thing instead.
Yes I am an idiot in many people's eyes, but in a way I can still see why Magnus was picked as the winner. I guess the judging really came down to picking from apples and oranges. And the orange won since it has a sweet core under the thicker skin, I guess...
Feb 26 2017 6:00AM
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skiznuts
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I agree. Even though magnus and doll are two of my favourite skiers, ljs part was incredible. A lot of people dismissed his part as not very creative, and that's why he didn't win. Some of the spots lj hit were just, how. Like that play structure thing. I'd never think of hitting that. Also lj was way more technical and gnarly than anyone else. The backflip onto the pillar. Nuf said. MIND YOU I have never skied street, and the judges have. I don't know what it's like, how difficult it is, so on and so forth. I bet that most if not all of the people on this thread, no matter their stance, don't know what it's like to have a career revolving around urban skiing. Now, the reason I'm not completely agreeing with you is because you were pretty rude to magnus. He and his friends are pushing skiing in a new direction, and man is it sick. I realize you said sorry, but just because you're mad at a fucking contest result doesn't mean you have to be so rude to him.
Feb 26 2017 7:59AM
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BonusNo413
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I knew the judges ultimately decide the winner. I think the voting is just to provide the judges with a risk analysis for when they decide 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and to make sure it doesn't stray too far from the popular vote. As in, ultimately we don't have much say in who the winner is in X-Games Real Ski. And this just confirms it...

Newschooleri.The real ski judges were: VinnyCash, eheath, Dadali, Schmuk and Berman. And I am sorry but I have never heard of you. How you managed to get an orange name I have no idea. If you were a real orange name, then you would understand why Magnus won and wouldn’t be spreading your stupidity on this already dying forum (I blame you for any future damage done to this online community)


This post just shrieks "Magnus won because it was decided by nepotists and don't you dare bring attention to it!". LJ is an honest guy who clearly put in the best part for the contest. The NS thread after all the Real Ski entries went live clearly indicated the majority of NS favored LJ. I can't take Real Ski seriously anymore. I have no respect for this type of conduct. GET OUT OF SKIING.
Feb 26 2017 8:11AM
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PATROL
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OxcilicI knew the judges ultimately decide the winner. I think the voting is just to provide the judges with a risk analysis for when they decide 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and to make sure it doesn't stray too far from the popular vote. As in, ultimately we don't have much say in who the winner is in X-Games Real Ski. And this just confirms it...


No, the voting is for the Fan Favorite title, which is seperate from the medalist picks.
Feb 26 2017 8:18AM
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Lonely
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Okay this is my issue with Magnus winning. The majority of his edit did not have crazy difficult tricks, or crazy tech tricks (edit was still banger and a easy second place) it mostly revolved around style.

Here's my issue with style. If I do a shitty three over a rail and don't land solidly and spin around with my arms flailing everyone laughs at me. But if a group of people starts doing it it becomes a subjective style. The new "big thing". But here's the thing, it started off with doing something wrong, and now someone has decided it's right. Which makes no sense, especially in a judging situation.

Let's compare this to another sport. If I'm playing soccer and I trip all over the place, miss the ball, and occasionally make a play that's just an inconsistent soccer player. I don't have a "cool style" I'm just not skilled enough or courageous enough to to do the actually challenging things.
Or imagine one team scoring the most goals, but losing because the other team was "more stylish". It sounds crazy.

LJ did things that very very few people can do, and he made it look good in a non subjective way. You can't argue that he did everything solidly. Magnus did some awesome things, but they're are things that a good amount of people can do, and he did those things in a very subjective fashion. Some people like it some people don't. In a technical way it is not ideal.

So idk. Guess I wish it was lj then Magnus.
Feb 26 2017 9:27AM
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LivingDaLife
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bluepr1ntLJ did have some crazy bangers in there, but he also had some of the weakest spots and tricks in the contest. Front 2 off that mellow roof, backslide a 5ft rail to back 180 out, switch 2 back 2 a pretty normal down rail, 3 short up rails to back 2, even that closeout rail 2 pretz 4... all tricks that you wouldn't bat an eyelid at in a random am's street part. The judges clearly balanced those tricks against the crazy things he did and decided the stunts just about earned him a medal, but he wasn't even close to the consistent level of surprising tricks Magnus and Henrik both had. It's pretty obvious why he didn't win.


That "mellow roof" was still a creative spot. Certainly not crazy tech but still dope, who even looks at a roof like that and says I want to slide it? The backslide was a bit weak but it wasn't that small of a rail. The switch 2 back 2 was legit, that's a long down rail to spin onto, especially switch 2 with how sketch his in run was. The "3 short up rails" was also pretty high level. If you watch the crash reel, it looks like he was maxing out his winch in order to get to the top of them. Definitely a creative spot.

And that closeout rail 2 pretz 4....that was absolutely insane. It was a right two going into the closeout followed by a tails over 4 over the close out. And he was trying pretz 6 if you watch his crash reel. I have never seen that trick in any urban edit, pro or am. I would definitely bat an eyelid if some am suddenly dropped an edit with that in it...

Side note - why hasn't anyone mentioned Will? He did about as much tech/creative tricks as Magnus, but no one seemed to care since it wasn't as banger as last year. He had the most legit backslide of anyone.
Feb 26 2017 9:45AM
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Park.
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bluepr1ntLJ did have some crazy bangers in there, but he also had some of the weakest spots and tricks in the contest. Front 2 off that mellow roof, backslide a 5ft rail to back 180 out, switch 2 back 2 a pretty normal down rail, 3 short up rails to back 2, even that closeout rail 2 pretz 4... all tricks that you wouldn't bat an eyelid at in a random am's street part. The judges clearly balanced those tricks against the crazy things he did and decided the stunts just about earned him a medal, but he wasn't even close to the consistent level of surprising tricks Magnus and Henrik both had. It's pretty obvious why he didn't win.


I dont know where the fuck you ski but every shot in LJ's edit was insanely high level and some with heavy consequences. Claiming all that shit is easy is ignorant. Go hit that "mellow roof" feature and tell me its not scary as shit to jump on a roof and slide something that was never made to be touched by skis. Im not sure if you are just trying to make a point that you didnt like LJ's but your view on skiing is seriously skewed. I guarantee that you have never done high consequence urban or you would never say this bullshit.

To the rest of this thread, LJ had that wow factor in his edit. IT was aggressive and had the heaviest conventional rail tricks in the contest, but most of them were on insane rails. This is definitely something everyone should be able to agree on. in my eyes, LJ treated street skiing like a park.

Magnus and Harlaut skied the the streets differently though, and thats why I think they won. They treated the urban features and landscape in a way that you cant do in a park. They treated urban skiing like an original type of skiing instead of park skiing. Both of them came at features in a way to utilize the features they had with a skill level that allowed them to bring their innovative tricks and ideas to life.

I think Magnus won based off of his innovation and creativity. It was not based on "hipster style" like some people in this thread think it was. doing a nose butter into a redirect wallride is not easy. The dude dropped from the ttop of a building sideways and that was gnar. Forget the difficulty and consequence though. The real insanity of the trick was thinking of doing it in the first place. I have never seen anyone try anything like that. Magnus took a direction to skiing park that is unique and stands out because he skied differently on heavy features being used in unconventional ways (which is why LJ didnt win).

Knowing the criteria for this comp is interesting though. I wouldve guessed Harlaut would be the winner. His innovation was definitely deserving of 2nd, but his tricks seemed more difficult, plus they were never just 1 trick like the judges say about his video.

Before the winner was announced, I thought LJ deserved to win 100%. Magnus in 2nd, Will or Harlaut in 3rd. When everything was broken down with the real ski recap videos, I am fine with how this ended up.
Feb 26 2017 11:38AM
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Just watching the edit of every one of lj's attempts makes you realize how incredibly difficult the stuff he was doing was.
Feb 26 2017 12:15PM
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a_burger
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CadenmcculloughJust watching the edit of every one of lj's attempts makes you realize how incredibly difficult the stuff he was doing was.

LJs attempt video has nothing to do with it. I'm sure everybody put in a ton of work and could drop there own version, it's not like they weren't working hard
Feb 26 2017 12:32PM
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skyways19
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I stopped reading when this clown didn't even bother to mention Magnus's lip on the DFD, that was the most impressive trick in the entire edit, this dude prob didn't even recognize it. Lol and let's be clear here, if you want to be hypercritical of Magnus's arms, take a look at LJ's, his arms are flailing around too.

Honestly, I thought it should of gone Magnus, Henrik, LJ, with all three being amazing edits, and if that order was different, I definitely wouldn't go and make a thread on NS to complain about it. Also, LJ's song choice was awful, I could barley make myself watch that thing because it sounded so bad and ruined the vibe.
Feb 26 2017 12:46PM
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Deepskier
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I don't care for Magnus and to be honest if i was judging Magnus would have been 6th in my eyes with LJ at the top but its done now everyone seems in agreement so it is what it is.
Feb 26 2017 1:05PM
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a_burgerLJs attempt video has nothing to do with it. I'm sure everybody put in a ton of work and could drop there own version, it's not like they weren't working hard


This. Whilst LJ went absolute ham as shown by the attempt video, i'm pretty sure any urban skier could release a similar video. Not saying it's not impressive how much he put into this but it should in no way be a factor.

Also, I think the reason it went as it did was who else can replicate half the stuff magnus and henrik did? If you got together ross imburgia, cam riley and will w then you'd probably be able to replicate most of LJ's stuff (that's not a criticism btw, the fact that I think it would take 3 skiers to replicate 1 dude's part is all credit to LJ). But I just don't think that there's anyone who could really put down or even envision what magnus did with the style that he had. Under different circumstances, LJ could've won for sure, last year for example I reckon he'd have cleaned up. But when the standard is so high that you're looking for miniscule differences in quality then i think magnus and henrik beat LJ out for style, creativity and progression, even if his stuff was a lot more gnarly and high consequence
Feb 26 2017 1:46PM
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ozzywrongCool story dude.. you have no idea what you are talking about. LJ won hands down 15-foot cliff lol.. I bet you are from Portland.. and rock Supreme and Nike sb's But don't skate.. the hipster style isn't that progressive. He does have skills but most of the features weren't high consequence LJ should have won end of story. Magnus's tricks were cool and were progressive but they don't deserve to win X-games real ski. My opinion you can take it or leave it. all these so called progressive tricks Andy and Pep did in Idea years ago with way better style. All he is doing is copying Keegan Valaika and the hipster snowboard movment. It's still amazing skiing but it's no where near as gnarly as what LJ is doing. You think you know what you are talking about and that's fine I disagree.


Hey fuck you I bet Portland is way sicker than whatever shithole you are from.
Feb 26 2017 1:51PM
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I was fortunate enough to spend a few days up in Quebec with Magnus while he was working on his part, and I have to say, the way Magnus approaches urban skiing is totally different than anyone else I've ever seen. His whole mentality, his effort, his focus, and his style are just... different, and new. I totally think he deserves gold.

I watched Magnus land that wall ride 270 rail slide a good 3-4 times, more than most would just say "that was good enough" given the risk factor and difficulty of the trick, to make sure he got the perfect shot. And let me tell you, each attempt looked pretty damn good, but he was focused on making sure that style was #1. Same goes for the hand drag pretzel to switch on that wall drop - that feature was not small IRL, he slammed pretty good a few times, and he landed that more than once. But we sat at that feature until we lost light and Magnus ran out of gas - he just kept on trying it to make sure it was perfect.

Look, I know and respect the FUCK out of every one of the Real Street athletes, and I've worked with every one of them in some capacity over the last few years. They all put together amazing video parts, did insane tricks, and went huge - but 5/6 of those videos were for the most part the same to me. Magnus' style and creativity set his video apart and was different from anything we've seen in this contest.

And for the record, LJ's video was insane, there's no doubting that. He has some serious balls and determination to do what he did. I respect the fuck out of that. Nobody, including LJ, should be discouraged by his 3rd place finish - there are going to be winners and losers in a competition, everyone did a damn good job, and it was a hard decision to make. I believe it makes total sense.
Feb 26 2017 2:58PM
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MEOWZERS
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ozzywrongLJ's part was so much more tech and gnar than Magnus .. why is it that everyone rides the bunches dick so hard. hipsters with arms that flail everywhere. Magnus shreds his part was pretty dope but a lot of the tricks were on small features with no consequences.
The only mind-blowing trick he did, in my opinion, was the wall ride to cork 270 rail tap.. (that was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen) but in all honesty LJ has been one of the best rail skiers for such a long time and that video part was so next level there was some of the biggest rails ever slid in there.. back flip rail transfers back flips to stalls.. that cork 7 to deck landing late 180.. how the fuck did LJ not win the gold medal.. I think this is Ludacris.

Please discuss.. I still liked magnus and Edollos parts they bot featured amazing tricks but they didn't touch LJ he was hands down the winner in my mind.


I 110% agree with this. Took the words right out of my mouth.
Feb 26 2017 3:07PM
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orey
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to much reading
Feb 26 2017 3:11PM
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skierman
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Newschooleri.I have been a member of NS since the golden era of 09


Hahahaha, you're just a fucking n00b. Good god, child, kids like you ruined this site.
Feb 26 2017 3:24PM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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*watches lj real ski attempts once*

"BRO LJ SHOULDA WONNN"


Smh..all yalll wouldnt of said shit if he never released that vid
Feb 26 2017 3:28PM
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TheHuggyBear
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Both were insane, i personally feel like I fall into a similar mindset as you, because we come from a previous generation of skiers. I love the gnarly, I love the limit pushes, and I especially love the og style of lj.
So I agree with you I think lj won hands down.

However coming from a competitive stand point I see differently and think you will wish you didn't get worked up and create a thread like this. All competitors know that sometimes you don't come on top because of judges. I have stomped big stylish tricks and have won and lost competitions. Example just check out jossi. Only guy that can throw down a sick line and still come in 5th depending on the Judging format and he never bitches and gripes. I can garuntee you lj is not upset and is just stoked to still be on snow shredding hard.

Respect the sport and appreciate it, there's no room for finding negatives when it comes to skiing. Grow up
Feb 26 2017 3:29PM
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skierman
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Tom Wallisch should have won.
Feb 26 2017 3:31PM
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MEOWZERS
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weedooI can't disagree with you there I just love Magnus but LJ went hard for that shit. Backflip to pillar especially


This is why I believe Magnus won. "I just love Magnus". I feel like that's how the judges felt and they almost felt obligated to place him 1st because he's the "underdog hipster" and he "deserves it". Also, his pants are fucking stupid.
Feb 26 2017 3:44PM
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SammyDubz
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TRVP_ANGEL*watches lj real ski attempts once*

"BRO LJ SHOULDA WONNN"


Smh..all yalll wouldnt of said shit if he never released that vid


since the day the videos were released I would say a majority of people on here supported LJ...go read the thread about the videos...
Feb 26 2017 4:04PM
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Kevski
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As far as I gathered, technical difficulty was only part of the judging criteria? Which also happens to be the only category LJ blatantly won for me. In the subjective world of judging something like a ski edit, obviously we have to weight and prioritize certain facets of skiing - and to be honest if I wanted to see what results from rewarding only technical difficulty I'd watch the last couple years of xgames slope and fall asleep. Part of picking the panel of judges is to acknowledge that other nuances are equally valuable.

For what it's worth I'm on board with the order. Magnus and Henrik killed it on fluidity and flow, with weird new presses and grabs and approaches to things. LJ slayed the hardest but in a much more conventional way.
You know the drill - spin on, switch up, spin off. Do it more and on bigger shit than anyone else and you usually win things. It's obviously the convention for a reason (because it is hard and looks sick done well) but it's not the only way to do things, as other edits (and sports) show us.

For Magnus it was like "Wait what - what did he do???" and LJ was like "Holy shit how'd he do that?"
Personally I know which one I value more when I'm forced to pick.

Nothing to discredit LJ - that edit was nasty. And to join the choir, he worked so so hard on it and that shows.
Feb 26 2017 4:08PM
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TZA.
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Newschooleri.I have been a member of NS since the golden era of 09 and your post is the most ignorant post I have ever came across. I do not consider myself to be one of those people who rant on the internet but boy are you going to get an ear full right now.

The real ski judges were: VinnyCash, eheath, Dadali, Schmuk and Berman. .


eheath is fat.....
Feb 26 2017 4:16PM
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-Dan
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Newschooleri.I have been a member of NS since the golden era of 09 and your post is the most ignorant post I have ever came across. I do not consider myself to be one of those people who rant on the internet but boy are you going to get an ear full right now.

The real ski judges were: VinnyCash, eheath, Dadali, Schmuk and Berman. And I am sorry but I have never heard of you. How you managed to get an orange name I have no idea. If you were a real orange name, then you would understand why Magnus won and wouldn’t be spreading your stupidity on this already dying forum (I blame you for any future damage done to this online community).

Now let’s talk technical. To support your ill structured claim LJ did kill it. But… Real Ski has a lot more factors then just technical tricks. For that, I love this competition. The wide scope of judging that goes into this competition is truly amazing and reflects our growing sport. LJ hit a lot of gnarly rails. However, a lot of them are tricks we have seen in the past. LJ’s crazy rail from Grand Bizarre is similar to the one he hit in this real ski edit. The multiple kink rail is nothing we have not seen before. Also in the edit if you really pay attention some tricks are done twice just on different rails (same goes for some other contenders). I am not discrediting the gnarliness, all I am saying is nothing that revolutionary about that edit. LJ walks around an urban environment and sees what a lot of other skiers would see but just has the balls to hit “bigger/gnarlier” shit (ie. Longer rails, more kinks etc…) I believe the direction in which skiing is going a simple switch 2 in 2 out just does not cut it anymore; no matter how long the rail.

Now if you analyse Maguns’ edit you will see that from the first shot the style is different from everyone else in the contest. The combination of style and his tech skills whilst utilizing the urban environment just keep getting more impressive as you keep watching. Butter to wall ride! The waterfall down rail! Nollie on! The hand drag 180! Every single trick/shot is different. No two tricks are reused and on top of that, 95% of the edit consists of a trick that no one has done before. Magnus has an ability to view a feature in such a unique way and still be able to hit it with style and yea to rub it in your face he wears “your dads shit”. You can reflect it back to Candide. He was the first to do corks on skis. He had no one to learn from (except maybe snowboarding) and he was able to visualize these tricks and be the first to do them (a true pioneer) while wearing “new-school baggy shit”.

History repeats its self and Magnus, alongside The Bunch, are pioneering a new direction in skiing while you ozzywrong keep flailing your arms off a 15ft cliff.

Thank you to all the amazing judges that are giving credit to Magnus, pushing the sport in the right direction and giving guys like Magnus the spotlight! I have showed many non-ski friends all the real ski edits; guess which one stands out the most? You guessed it; Magnus’. The one that is progressive, fun to watch and gets people stoked (isn’t that what skiing is all about?).


This post is everything and the roast in the beginning is legend.
Feb 26 2017 4:41PM
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LonelyHere's my issue with style. If I do a shitty three over a rail and don't land solidly and spin around with my arms flailing everyone laughs at me. But if a group of people starts doing it it becomes a subjective style. The new "big thing". But here's the thing, it started off with doing something wrong, and now someone has decided it's right. Which makes no sense, especially in a judging situation.

Let's compare this to another sport. If I'm playing soccer and I trip all over the place, miss the ball, and occasionally make a play that's just an inconsistent soccer player. I don't have a "cool style" I'm just not skilled enough or courageous enough to to do the actually challenging things.
Or imagine one team scoring the most goals, but losing because the other team was "more stylish". It sounds crazy.

Since when has skiing had rules on whats right and whats wrong? Also who tf would compare skiing to soccer
Feb 26 2017 4:52PM
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LJ was absolutely and positively robbed. The real loser here is the x-games though. X-games just proved (yet again) that it has completely lost touch with skiing all together. Halfpipe was a joke, slope was fucking wack, big air went to woodsy cause Henrick has been dominating the field with the same trick for what 3-4 years now. And real ski goes to someone rolling around in the snow with their skis and calling it "style". The bummer is that shitty decisions like this make guys like LJ, Tom, Khai, and many others rethink the whole thing. Is Real Ski worth going all out for if the judges are just going to pick a low risk easy to film entry as the winner? I think the answer for most of them is a no. RIP X-games, it was fun while it lasted.
Feb 26 2017 4:57PM
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Lonely
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VKomsiSince when has skiing had rules on whats right and whats wrong? Also who tf would compare skiing to soccer


It's called judging you fucking poppycock. If in a a guy drags his hand he gets docked points because it is "wrong" and because he did the trick incorrectly. That is literally the core of judging competitions.

Maybe soccer is a invalid analogy but you didn't really bring up any sort of counter argument anywhere so I don't know wtf your'e trying to say.

It's my opinion. It doesn't need to ruin your day
Feb 26 2017 5:10PM
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VKomsiSince when has skiing had rules on whats right and whats wrong? Also who tf would compare skiing to soccer


Edgy kid
Feb 26 2017 5:12PM
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.otto.
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Watch out everybody he's and orange name
Feb 26 2017 5:32PM
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LonelyIt's called judging you fucking poppycock. If in a a guy drags his hand he gets docked points because it is "wrong" and because he did the trick incorrectly. That is literally the core of judging competitions.

Maybe soccer is a invalid analogy but you didn't really bring up any sort of counter argument anywhere so I don't know wtf your'e trying to say.

It's my opinion. It doesn't need to ruin your day

Is it wrong if a guy tries to drag his hand, i think you can drag your hand if you want to its not "incorrect".
Also In soccer the one who scores more goals wins, but does the one who does most spins win in skiing?
Feb 26 2017 5:40PM
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codizzle
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Only two of these riders' edits got me super-duper-stoked to ski:

- LJ
- Will Wesson

Yeah, I look at Magnus and Dolo and think it's tech and original, but I'm not interested in watching them a second time; I just could care less.

But then I watch LJ and Wesson, and I'm like, "This shit is ham bone!" And I end up watching each segment ten more times!
Feb 26 2017 5:42PM
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Tremblantskier
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Feb 26 2017 6:07PM
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Lonely
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VKomsiIs it wrong if a guy tries to drag his hand, i think you can drag your hand if you want to its not "incorrect".
Also In soccer the one who scores more goals wins, but does the one who does most spins win in skiing?


Well somethings got to be wrong, and I don't think it's the guy who landed a trick perfectly. I think it's the guy who does things that prior to him doing them were considered "wrong" because they showed incompetence.

And no, not at all. But there is difference between style and trendiness. When Jossi zero spinned in the comps I thought it was baller af. But I understand why the judges might give it a poor score.
Feb 26 2017 6:21PM
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skyways19I stopped reading when this clown didn't even bother to mention Magnus's lip on the DFD, that was the most impressive trick in the entire edit, this dude prob didn't even recognize it. Lol and let's be clear here, if you want to be hypercritical of Magnus's arms, take a look at LJ's, his arms are flailing around too.

Honestly, I thought it should of gone Magnus, Henrik, LJ, with all three being amazing edits, and if that order was different, I definitely wouldn't go and make a thread on NS to complain about it. Also, LJ's song choice was awful, I could barley make myself watch that thing because it sounded so bad and ruined the vibe.


Feb 26 2017 6:24PM
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nick_GAPER
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LJ
Feb 26 2017 6:52PM
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SigTveit
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So called technical riding like LJ is showcasing in fact isn't very technical. It is hard work and many, many attempts more than anything. LJ had higher consequence stuff, which seems to be an important factor for many. On the other hand, exclusively considering technicality I think Magnus could have executed most of LJs tricks, but I don't think LJ would have been able to pull off much of what Magnus did.
And let's not even begin to talk about innovation and style...
Anyway, big ups to all the teams, who all pushed street skiing in its respective directions.
Feb 26 2017 7:19PM
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OHoblitzelle
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gotta say i couldn't disagree more, I got homies that you've never heard of that i think could do everything in Ljs part other then the insane backflip and maybe one or two other things. the fact that this many people agree with you deeply saddens me
Feb 26 2017 7:57PM
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ZeMagnificentKev
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Cmon man it is "just skiing" how could you not just get stoked on all the clips. Will didn't get nothing, I thought he killed it too, and Khai and Tom, Everyone killed it and now I wanna go try and kill it. Get hyped!
Feb 26 2017 8:10PM
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Newschooleri.I have been a member of NS since the golden era of 09 and your post is the most ignorant post I have ever came across. I do not consider myself to be one of those people who rant on the internet but boy are you going to get an ear full right now.

You can reflect it back to Candide. He was the first to do corks on skis. He had no one to learn from (except maybe snowboarding) and he was able to visualize these tricks and be the first to do them (a true pioneer) while wearing “new-school baggy shit”.
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1. Congrats, you've been on this site a full 8-9 years after it started. You deserve a cookie, maybe a caffeine and sugar free soda.

2. Lost any inkling of credit when you come here claiming Candide was the first one to do corks on skis.... I mean, really?

I already went on a solid talk with eheath about this. Magnus did cool stuff, sure... but holy shit johns stuff just had waayyyy more of the wow factor. It definitely seems like there is a bit of a divide of how people of different times of skiing view the segments I guess. even taking my own bias out of it, I feel solid that Johnny boy deserved that, irregardless of his bail video or not.

Good for Magnus, congrats on the gold, I guess you'll just always have people who disagree with results... comes with the whole subjective thing I guess.
Feb 26 2017 8:11PM
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NickyHartmann
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dont feel like wrtting a fucking essay but I just want to say tech tricks can be considered gnarly and high risk to. They may not be as impressive to people who dont ski, but a nollie onto a kinker from the FRONT is pretty fucking "gnarly" and high risk as well. You have to see the spots if you want to judge the part. LJ's part was insane and I cant even decide which one was my fav there both 1st in my head but dont go talking shit about Magnus because his pat was gnarly af and the risk factor was up there, just in a different way.
Feb 26 2017 8:18PM
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juanborlando
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hmmmm judging skiing is subjective hmmmmm
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