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F*ck Marker, I'm buying Pivots (maybe)

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Hamlet
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Hello people of Newschoolers!

I am sick of my Marker bindings (they're also unrideable) and looking to switch to look pivot 14s.
One feature which I liked on my Marker Jester though is the ability to adjust the height of the slider under the toes. It seems the the pivots dont have this feature.

Will my toes wiggle up and down if I get pivots, my boots are 3 seasons deep and the soles are quite worn out? Also on the 2017 models the claim " dual compatibility for both ISO Alpine and WTR rockered boot soles".

Is this the adjustment I'm looking for?
Buying another pair of jester's is NOT an option as they will inevitably break after 1 and 1/2 seasons due to a design flaw.
Keep shredding,
Max
Jan 9 2017 5:22PM
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Park.
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HamletHello people of Newschoolers!

I am sick of my Marker bindings (they're also unrideable) and looking to switch to look pivot 14s.
One feature which I liked on my Marker Jester though is the ability to adjust the height of the slider under the toes. It seems the the pivots dont have this feature.

Will my toes wiggle up and down if I get pivots, my boots are 3 seasons deep and the soles are quite worn out? Also on the 2017 models the claim " dual compatibility for both ISO Alpine and WTR rockered boot soles".

Is this the adjustment I'm looking for?
Buying another pair of jester's is NOT an option as they will inevitably break after 1 and 1/2 seasons due to a design flaw.
Keep shredding,
Max


What is the design flaw with the Jesters/what are you breaking on them? I dont like Marker either but I can respect that that Jesters are a damn good binding. In fact the Pivots have far worse design flaws than markers.

The old 14s and the 18s currently dont have an adjustment that you are talking about. I dont fuck with the new 14s because theres just way too many pieces that can break imo. I would assume they can accomodate sole wear from looking at them though.

I know that the Attack series from Tyrolia has the exact feature you are talking about. I bought a pair of 18x's and they are probably the best overall bindings Ive used. (I own 2 pairs of fks 180s and a couple pairs of 140s, and a pair of STH WTR 2 16s).
Jan 9 2017 7:01PM
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clorox
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Yeah I'd like to see the why the jester hate. I'm on my fifth season of my 2013 jester pro's and haven't really had any issues. I also have a pair of skis with fks 180's and can say that theyre honestly not that much better, and I hate that on my 10th day of riding them, I busted a break and have to replace the entire lower heel piece and pay around $75, but when tsa managed to crack one of my brakes, I got a brand new set from a shop for $15 and it took about 30 seconds to replace them.
Jan 9 2017 9:07PM
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oxiclean
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Try Salomons.
Jan 10 2017 9:44AM
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klibs
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just get pivots.

If you have never owned pivots they are certainly worth a try. IMO they are the best bindings for park skiing and I will likely not buy a different design going forward. other bindings I have had break or start coming loose and wiggling around. pivots are superior IMO in terms of durability and feel / response.

pivots are very solid and prettymuch the entire heel part is metal so there's nothing to snap and break. if you DO manage to break them (mine are still in great shape after years) they need to be totally replaced though. can't just buy a replacement brake part or anything like that.

The way they feel and release is much more forgiving than other bindings. the side-to-side play of the heel rotating makes a big difference when you fall a certain way. I also think they hold me in during certain scenarios when my ski might have yanked off aggressively when I didn't want them to with other bindings.

Also if your boot's soles are all messed up this will obviously affect any binding you purchase...
Jan 10 2017 1:11PM
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Hamlet
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parkplaygroundWhat is the design flaw with the Jesters/what are you breaking on them? I dont like Marker either but I can respect that that Jesters are a damn good binding. In fact the Pivots have far worse design flaws than markers.

The old 14s and the 18s currently dont have an adjustment that you are talking about. I dont fuck with the new 14s because theres just way too many pieces that can break imo. I would assume they can accomodate sole wear from looking at them though.

I know that the Attack series from Tyrolia has the exact feature you are talking about. I bought a pair of 18x's and they are probably the best overall bindings Ive used. (I own 2 pairs of fks 180s and a couple pairs of 140s, and a pair of STH WTR 2 16s).


Ok,so you know how the jester's heel piece is not directly screwed into the ski, but instead a sort of guide rail thing is and the heel piece slides on top of that? The heelpiece gets held in place by a small metal piece (sort of like a sideways screw) which fits into small metal notches on the rail.

I'm a big guy and the way I ski my skis definately take impacts. Due to that over time the notches and screw thing get worn out by that causing the heelpiece to not be able to be locked in. Because of that the entire heel piece starts sliding off the rail thing.

The first time it happend I did an involontary Real-Ski-Fi style slide on an elephant with one ski on my foot and the other one popping off when I hopped on the rail. Fun times.

And eventhough I'm a big guy I talked to a girl who had the same problems with her squires.
That's the reason I don't want to buy Jesters anymore since this is just going to happen again sooner or later...
Jan 10 2017 7:43PM
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Hamlet
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*Elephant rail lol
Jan 10 2017 7:44PM
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Hamlet
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FKS_HEEL_PIECEYeah I'd like to see the why the jester hate. I'm on my fifth season of my 2013 jester pro's and haven't really had any issues. I also have a pair of skis with fks 180's and can say that theyre honestly not that much better, and I hate that on my 10th day of riding them, I busted a break and have to replace the entire lower heel piece and pay around $75, but when tsa managed to crack one of my brakes, I got a brand new set from a shop for $15 and it took about 30 seconds to replace them.


Other than the design flaw I just described to the other guy on here, I cracked the plastic part under the heel multiple times by stomping a trick hard.
Lucky the ski-shop right next to the mountain replaces that part for free, but its just a hassle to get off the mountain and get it fixed or if it happend somewhere else than on the mountain I usually ski.
Jan 10 2017 7:47PM
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Hamlet
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klibsjust get pivots.


Also if your boot's soles are all messed up this will obviously affect any binding you purchase...


That's why I was asking if the new pivots have that height adjustment for the toe slider that markers have. Its unclear if that's what they mean with compatibility for the different styles of boots. On pictures it also looks like there might be screw for that, but I can't find a picture where you can actually see it. That's a feature I would actually miss since even on my worn out boots I could just adjust the height if my boots ever started to wiggle up and down.
Jan 10 2017 7:51PM
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randymeetsworld
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I don't really see the hate on Marker, but Pivots are superior imo. Once I got the 14's I was hooked.
Jan 10 2017 10:54PM
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Cadenmccullough
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Once you get pivots you will never go back...
Jan 11 2017 12:36AM
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Casey
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HamletThat's why I was asking if the new pivots have that height adjustment for the toe slider that markers have. Its unclear if that's what they mean with compatibility for the different styles of boots. On pictures it also looks like there might be screw for that, but I can't find a picture where you can actually see it. That's a feature I would actually miss since even on my worn out boots I could just adjust the height if my boots ever started to wiggle up and down.


I don't quite understand the logic of buying bindings that will accommodate your worn out boots. Why don't you get boots?
Jan 11 2017 1:09AM
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Hamlet
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CaseyI don't quite understand the logic of buying bindings that will accommodate your worn out boots. Why don't you get boots?


Because I love my boots... I never get shinbang and their very comfortable. I see no need to replace them (Salomon SPK 100 2014).

Maybe I can buy a replacement sole somewhere.
Jan 11 2017 7:53AM
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klibs
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I'm not sure if the pivots have any sort of height adjustment like that. Without looking into it I would be that's a 'no'. They are a very minimalist design with few moving parts - this is where they shine as they are very durable and don't have really any parts that can come loose and start wiggling around.

I too have had bindings where the heel was in a track - this part always gets beat up and becomes a liability over time. Pivots are screwed prettymuch directly into the base and the moving part where the pivot action happens is all metal / not gonna just come loose on you. Like I said before, you would have to seriously mangle these bindings and bend some metal in order to mess them up.
Jan 11 2017 9:21AM
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Casey
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HamletBecause I love my boots... I never get shinbang and their very comfortable. I see no need to replace them (Salomon SPK 100 2014).

Maybe I can buy a replacement sole somewhere.


Personally that's where I would start. Or get a new pair of the same ones. No binding is going to work right wotha fucked up toepiece. Just because you can mash down on whatever plastic is left with the toe height adjustment doesn't mean that you should.
Jan 11 2017 11:20AM
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Crispy.
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klibsjust get pivots.

pivots are superior IMO in terms of durability and feel / response.

pivots are very solid and prettymuch the entire heel part is metal so there's nothing to snap and break.

The way they feel and release is much more forgiving than other bindings. the side-to-side play of the heel rotating makes a big difference when you fall a certain way.


I agree with you entirely with the feel of the FKS. They have a far lower mount profile than any other popular binding that really provides excellent feel. Also agreed on the forgiving release of the bindings, you can just feel it without even falling.

However, I've had terrible issues with durability and I've owned 3 (maybe 4?) pairs. The entire heel is metal, but I've snapped the metal clean in half on multiple pairs.

I just broke another pair, but don't have enough money to keep buying FKSs. Even though they feel so much better, they're too expensive for me to maintain. Went with the STH16 which I've had great experience in terms of durability.
Jan 11 2017 11:57PM
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AveragePete
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Got brand new pivot 12s for this season and I give 10/10 stars
Jan 12 2017 12:52AM
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BigBobo
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i feel you man, i got new squires this year and it was a huge mistake. my friend have pivot 14's and they seem to hold up really well.
Jan 12 2017 1:27AM
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Hamlet
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brekkenbozzii feel you man, i got new squires this year and it was a huge mistake. my friend have pivot 14's and they seem to hold up really well.


Yeah squires suck, i had them too... Thought my problem would solve itself if I get jesters because they seemed a lot sturdier. Liked them until they broke down on me again last season...
Jan 12 2017 5:33AM
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Hamlet
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oxicleanTry Salomons.


they would have the advantage of not raping your butt when you fall awkwardly... I'm giving it a thought!
Jan 12 2017 9:47AM
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SofaKingSick
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Just my two cents--

I've been a pivot-or-die kind of guy for about 15 years now but I've been impressed with the tyrolia attacks and from what I hear so is everyone else!

I know that STHs are good and marker has some good offerings but I still hear some bad reports here and there on each
Jan 12 2017 10:38AM
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