Transgender Children? I'm not sure about this

d.grayumI can't tell if the video is scripted, or if British children are that much more eloquent than American children... Cause I sure as hell didn't speak that properly at 9 (or now)

LonelyWhat's your opinion?

GORILLAWALLACEyeah but that is hillbilly logic

if you don't let transgender people into the bathroom of their choice you will find in the womens room with young women; women who look, act, and feel like men, and are likely into women. which is what you're trying to prevent right?

Gods_FatherUr a psychopath. A woman who feels like a man but has a vagina is not the same as a man who feels like a woman but has a penis. Women shouldn't have to deal with having piss on their toilet seats.

S.J.WAdditionally I do think transgender's brains are wired differently from birth as demonstrated in the Dnews video.

LonelyWhat's your opinion?

californiagrownOh I did. It's just fucking disgusting that you used nazis and genocide in your analogies relating to letting people freely choose their gender or sexuality.

How does this issue affect you any more than another person's fashion choices?

MinggSomeone could argue that any mental illness is caused by peoples' brains being wired differently. I mean mental illness comes down to heredity, chemical imbalances and skewed patterns of thinking. Is being transgender a mental disorder? I can't really answer that.

But given the fact that SO many people commit suicide after surgery(40%) and that at least 1 in 5 regret it, I don't think this is a "normal" thing. If all these people want is to be the other gender, then why are there such high rates of regret? Shouldn't this surgery be the answer to all of their problems? Instead it creates issues farther down in their lives and 2 out of 5 commit suicide(which another 1 in 5 regret it). That's a lot of fucking people!

SlushHow does it affect me? It doesn't. It effects them. I personally don't believe in promoting self destructive behavior, which you could argue is what "transitioning" is. Cutting off a body part, taking hormones, and basically forcing your body to become something it isn't is pretty much qualified as self destructive. If someone wants to wear fashion choices I don't like, more power to them. They aren't hurting anyone, nor themselves. It's just what they wear. If someone wants to put their body through tremendous changes it isn't meant to go through, I'm going to be against that.

And again, I'm not calling transgender people nazis or anything, I'm saying that the whole "let people do what they want as long as it doesn't effect you" argument isn't always applicable in every situation

REGRESSIVELEFTShe begins by asking people if a huge sum of money would get them to physically transition to the opposite gender. Most people say no, she said, because they'd rather continue presenting themselves as the gender they were born as and identify with. "If you go into why they're answering no, they'll usually say that it wouldn't feel right," Carollo said. "That's what you lock into. Take that sense and imagine if you had been born in the opposite body."

californiagrownWhy do you care what someone does to themselves to make themselves happy. How does me chopping of my dick and changing my name to JoAnn affect you in the slightest?

You're fucking pea brained if you are honestly taking this shit to the extremes you are. Like ALL FUCKING RIGHTS you are allowed to exercise your pursuit of happiness up until that pursuit infringes upon another's rights.

How does me chopping my dick off and changing my name to Sally infringe upon your rights?

REGRESSIVELEFTSo, you clearly don't know anything about cultural anthropology....

XtRemE11I dont have a problem with people doing it and keeping to themselves, thats totally fine with me. I'm not one of those people that sees a tranny and gets angry, its neutral, i dont give a shit about them, do your

Its chopping your dick off, then expecting everyone to cater to your weak ass emotions, call you the right word that wont offend you, change the definition of gender, piss in a womans bathroom, change laws and regulations that could have the potential to infringe on my rights, trying to make people act a certain way around you, etc.. its throwing away common sense just to make people feel comfortable, thats fucked.

pretending to change gender is abnormal, people are always going to treat it as abnormal. you're always going to have people that dont like it, its human nature and people not liking other people for being different will never go away, it doesnt just apply to racists and rednecks, it applies to hippies not liking rednecks or businessmen because of their differences just as much.
the more you stand out from the norm, the more attention, positive or negative you're going to get. if you dont like that, blend in with everyone else.

I think we do a fairly good job as is when it comes to integrating trans people into our society without infringing on their rights, yet not infringing on the general populations rights either. but these trans people who expect everyone to bend over backwards for them, read a fucking dictionary on the proper wordage to use around them, and give them special treatment are what I dont like. its like any other group, race, religion, etc.. that want the rest of the world to cater to them. our culture shouldnt mold to them, but they can mold to ours and we can accept them.

XtRemE11I dont have a problem with people doing it and keeping to themselves, thats totally fine with me. I'm not one of those people that sees a tranny and gets angry, its neutral, i dont give a shit about them, do your thing and ill do mine and lets be happy.

Its chopping your dick off, then expecting everyone to cater to your weak ass emotions, call you the right word that wont offend you, change the definition of gender, piss in a womans bathroom, change laws and regulations that could have the potential to infringe on my rights, trying to make people act a certain way around you, etc.. its throwing away common sense just to make people feel comfortable, thats fucked.

pretending to change gender is abnormal, people are always going to treat it as abnormal. you're always going to have people that dont like it, its human nature and people not liking other people for being different will never go away, it doesnt just apply to racists and rednecks, it applies to hippies not liking rednecks or businessmen because of their differences just as much.
the more you stand out from the norm, the more attention, positive or negative you're going to get. if you dont like that, blend in with everyone else.

I think we do a fairly good job as is when it comes to integrating trans people into our society without infringing on their rights, yet not infringing on the general populations rights either. but these trans people who expect everyone to bend over backwards for them, read a fucking dictionary on the proper wordage to use around them, and give them special treatment are what I dont like. its like any other group, race, religion, etc.. that want the rest of the world to cater to them. our culture shouldnt mold to them, but they can mold to ours and we can accept them.

SlushThis

californiagrownWow. You think it's bending over backwards to treat people with respect? Or are you just looking at the most extreme, brash segment of the movement and painting everyone with that brush because it's easier to disapprove of them that way?

Our culture shouldn't mould to them? Wtf? When our culture moulded to racial integration, was that wrong? How bout now with our culture moulding to gay rights?

Thing is, you aren't any better than them. You were just lucky enough to be born into tge powerful majority. You've done nothing to earn any more respect, and they have done nothing to earn any less. But you seem intent on proving you are the greater, and they are the lesser... Why?

XtRemE11No, treating someone with respect is treating them like anyone else. which is what i do, I dont put any extra effort into not offending anybody. I'll talk to a tranny just like i talk to anyone else. is that not equality? if i dont use the right words to avoid hurting your feelings its not "disrespect", its your inability cope with any hint of discomfort.

and yes, i am looking more at the extreme segment of the movement, I'm in no way saying all trannys are like that. I never had a problem with anything transexual until this recent bullshit came up. to please these people we'd have to keep up to date with every new trendy word to describe chopping your dick off and wearing a dress, its a ridiculous expectation.
if you've got hairy legs, a beer belly, and a giant adams apple, but chopped your dick off and put on a dress, im not treating you like a woman. its not disrespect, i'm just not delusional, i can see that you're a dude in a dress, i'll treat you like what you are, a dude in a dress.

which is what i mean by our culture not molding to theirs, sure, we can accept a tranny for being a tranny, but when they start expecting to be treated like they're legitimately the opposite sex is where it gets ridiculous, you're literally asking everyone to pretend, for the sake of your feelings.

and yes, the US is a melting pot we accept other cultures coming into ours, but we dont change ours to suit theirs. theres a big difference. you cannot have american culture suit every subculture, race, and religion how they would like us to without shutting out others. that how we can have christianity and homosexuality work in the same culture, we dont mold to either, but we accept both.

XtRemE11I dont have a problem with people doing it and keeping to themselves, thats totally fine with me. I'm not one of those people that sees a tranny and gets angry, its neutral, i dont give a shit about them, do your thing and ill do mine and lets be happy.

Its chopping your dick off, then expecting everyone to cater to your weak ass emotions, call you the right word that wont offend you, change the definition of gender, piss in a womans bathroom, change laws and regulations that could have the potential to infringe on my rights, trying to make people act a certain way around you, etc.. its throwing away common sense just to make people feel comfortable, thats fucked.

pretending to change gender is abnormal, people are always going to treat it as abnormal. you're always going to have people that dont like it, its human nature and people not liking other people for being different will never go away, it doesnt just apply to racists and rednecks, it applies to hippies not liking rednecks or businessmen because of their differences just as much.
the more you stand out from the norm, the more attention, positive or negative you're going to get. if you dont like that, blend in with everyone else.

I think we do a fairly good job as is when it comes to integrating trans people into our society without infringing on their rights, yet not infringing on the general populations rights either. but these trans people who expect everyone to bend over backwards for them, read a fucking dictionary on the proper wordage to use around them, and give them special treatment are what I dont like. its like any other group, race, religion, etc.. that want the rest of the world to cater to them. our culture shouldnt mold to them, but they can mold to ours and we can accept them.

californiagrownHaha, you're right we accept both. (Last sentence). Acceptance is exactly what you said you refuse to do when it comes to transgender.

In what real world instance does it hurt you to call a transgender woman, ma'am, and a transgender man, sir? Is it really that tough? Why do you refuse? Is it on moral grounds? Do you also refuse to call folks by their nicknames? Lol. Cause its really the same thing.

I just don't understand your need to go out of your way to hurt someone emotionally. The only thing I can think of, is its toake yourself feel superior.

XtRemE11Because i call men men and women women. I'll pretend when it comes to little kids playing dinosaur or whatever, but not for adults. its not going out of my way to hurt them emotionally. im not going out of my way at all, thats the fucking point. its equality, do you want it or not? going out of my way would be figuring out how to talk and act around them to make them feel comfortable. thats not equality, we dont do that with normal people, if they want to be normal, equal people, dont expect people to go out of the way.

This is whats so ass backwards, they choose to try and resemble someone of the opposite sex, then get butthurt when people arent ultra sensitive with their word choice. the problem starts with their decision to chop the dick off. it is 100% their decision, their doing, and then expect everyone else to then conform.

And i can accept people for being trans, i never said i dont, i wont accept a man as a woman, because thats not what they are.

And i want to be clear that i'm not complaining about trans people in general, the few experiences with them ive had have been fine and they didnt give a shit if i treated them like their actual gender. its the people expecting special treatment that im complaining about.

S.J.WOh my god, you have to deal with the trauma of calling a he a she, and a she a he. Oh my god, that must be so hard for you! Sorry, it's too hard for you to change one word in your sentence when talking to a trans person. Would you refer to the person below as a he or a she? Obviously a she, so why is it so hard to refer to other trans people as a she? Also does the person below also have to use a male bathroom? That would be kinda weird... considering you know, how she looks. But on the topic of trans in bathroom. Not one trans person has ever been convicted of sexual assault in a bathroom. Not one. Trans in bathroom is a boogeyman political tactic to help win votes of gullible scared idiots. And lastly, no we don't do a good job of integrating trans people into society. High suicide rates show this, same with higher rates of depression. Maybe it's got something to do with the fact that you can still be fired in 32 states for being trans? Maybe it has to do with the way people like you think calling them the desired pro noun is the biggest inconvenience ever. Maybe it's got to do with the fact that people are more concerned with discussing trans people than they are with discussing trans issues.

californiagrownSpecial treatment? Wut? Call someone who very clearly looks like a woman ma'am, and someone who very clearly looks like a man, sir. Pretty common sense.

What special treatment are you talking about?

XtRemE11first of all, how many trannys actually look like that. every one i've seen is nowhere close, maybe i'm just in a bad part of town...

I'm not surprised they have a high rate of suicide and depression, somebody that actually commits and goes through the process of trying to change gender has obviously got some mental shit going on to feel the need to go through that. it probably has a lot more to do with some deep seated mental issues, rather than how people treat them as a tranny. and regardless, i dont condone hate towards them, i do think thats small minded. Not calling a he a she, isnt hate, its acknowledging something for what it is.
I can think and pretend im something im not all i want, but i'll still be my white, male human self, and its ridiculous to expect otherwise.

XtRemE11if they very clearly look like it, i'll think they're actually are a woman or man, and i'll call them that, and good for them they did a good job. otherwise, if it looks like a dude in a dress, im treating you like a dude in a dress.

XtRemE11Not calling a he a she, isnt hate, its acknowledging something for what it is.
I can think and pretend im something im not all i want, but i'll still be my white, male human self, and its ridiculous to expect otherwise.

REGRESSIVELEFTIn my social health and diversity class we had a transitioning transgendered person come in and talk about his life. He was born a woman, was always the "weird" one growing up, and was very very unhappy as a woman. He had gone through hormone treatment and was very much a dude.

Before the class I was late and cut off a short mexican dude in order to get to class. The short mexican dude ended up being our speaker.
I was once like you people. Transgendered folks were just mentally ill.
Well that may be the case to a degree, but the problem isnt the transition to another gender, its the unfair pressure of a society with strict gender roles that causes these people to commit suicide.

The unfair judgment present in this thread is all the proof I need.

DJtearegasLmao fam whats your take then son

mike759gender is a physical trait, not an opinion

mike759gender is a physical trait, not an opinion

mike759gender is a physical trait, not an opinion

GORILLAWALLACEyeah but so is hair colour and people swap that shit out all the time.

californiagrownYou mean sex. In anycase, why do you care? What negative effect on yourself or society does that have?

MinggSo does that mean you're transgender up until the point you have surgery which then makes you trans.. sexual?

But at the same time you still aren't changing your genotype so can you still be considered the other sex? Physically you are now(sort of) but not genetically.

californiagrownI fail to see why society should know anything other than your gender? Should it be public knowledge what your genetic code is?

californiagrownSo you are actively making the choice to hurt them and make yourself feel better. You would actually be going out of your way to make a statement that intends to hurt the other person and make you feel "right". You would not be put out in the slightest by calling her ma'am, but you instead choose to take the path of conflict and derision.

Why? Are you always this sensitive about having to " go out of your way"? Lol. You must be one marshmallow soft dude if this is an issue that makes you go too far out of your way lol.

XtRemE11I'm not making the choice to hurt them. thats 100% their problem if calling someone what they are "hurts" them. but there is nothing in me that is intending for that to happen. i'll be myself around people and if they dont like it then so be it. trying to control how people behave based on your emotions is a level of political correctness thats borderline evil.

like i said, the couple times ive talked/been around a trans, i treated them like they were a man, its just what felt right, and they had no problem with it. they obviously looked very much like a man, there was no questioning what their real gender was, to pretend they were a woman would have just felt like i was talking to a child and playing along. It would have felt awkward and more disrespectful, and that probably would have come across as disrespectful as well. and if someone thats obviously just a man in a dress gets "hurt" because i refer to him as a man, well i really dont give a shit, if his emotional strength is that non existent thats not my problem.
trying to control how people behave based on your emotions is a level of political correctness thats borderline evil.

And i'm sensitive about going out of my way because it creates inequality. Its one of the most backwards ways to attempt to create equality by "going out of your way" for someone because of their race or subculture. it has the opposite effect. its singling out someone based on their race, sexual orientation, etc. and treating them as an unequal. just because its convenient for them, makes them comfortable and happy, doesnt mean its equality. equality isnt all comfort and convenience, those are two very separate things.

CrotchKillerWhere do all these trannys hang out? I've never even met one...

CrotchKillerWhere do all these trannys hang out? I've never even met one...

californiagrownYou see someone and think "that chick is totally a guy". You then think " I better make sure to call him a guy even he doesn't dress that way, look that way, act that way, or want to be called that". You think "even though this will hurt the other person, and possibly cause a scene, my sense of social justice is more important".

How is that not going out of your way to be a dick? It's no different than a trans person baiting someone into using a gender specific pronoun and then causing a scene to " educate" them of what they should be called. You're both being twats to make yourselves feel important and superior because your self esteem is so low you must find importance in some bullshit.

You believe in total equality? Do you agree with the ADA act?

Gods_FatherI had an experience when I had long hair where someone thought I was a girl. I was offended.....who cares? I

Gods_FatherMistaking a transgender person as he/she is the same as mistaking anyone else for a he/she. you make it sound like it should be illegal to make a mistake. Who gives a fuck if someone's feelings are hurt lol? I had an experience when I had long hair where someone thought I was a girl. I was offended.....who cares? If I see a woman dressed as a man I will most likely still refer to her as a lady since how the fuck am I supposed to know what someone wants to be called lol? Why the fuck would I call her a man? She could just be butch and take offence to being called a man...

californiagrownSo you were offended by a mistake someone made about your gender, but you are cool with making a statement you know will offend someone in regards to their gender? Wut?

Mistakes happen. No need to get pissy over that. But folks who are trying to make an unsolicited statement about another's gender, not caring one bit when that person is offended are scum. If you have to guess, guess. If you're wrong say a quick "oh sorry", and then continue your question or statement. It ain't hard to be polite lol.