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tommedapommeI was watching a interview a couple weeks ago and he was saying that he moved from Salomon to RMU because he wanted to be part of a smaller company, but moving to atomic would mean he is back with a big company
casey_copeI mean it could be he broke his RMUs and he wasn't getting the shipment from them until later. But honestly RMU is a pretty small company so he may have wanted something bigger
A-cAllIsn't Solomon owned by atomic or something like that? Odd sponsor changes for sure
ben_collinsHe left solomon for a smaller company so....
THEDIRTYBUBBLEOther way around. So technically he went back to Salomon lol
casey_copeIt could be that Solomon wasn't actually helping him that much. That he was just being treated like a flow athlete or something but RMU would give him more support. But being that RMU is small they could only give him so much support and therefore he moved on
Dennis_ReynoldsIf I was a pro skier I would exploit companies as much as I could for money
A-cAllIsn't Solomon owned by atomic or something like that? Odd sponsor changes for sure
THEDIRTYBUBBLEOther way around. So technically he went back to Salomon lol
TallxTAtomic spends that money on racing or making a dope backcountry boot instead of reinvesting it into our sect of skiing.
Abu-BaghdadiHave you ever ridden punks, they are by far one of the best park skis out there. Same goes for the Bent Chetler. Ski design IMO has plateaued, and the next frontier is boots, and like you said, Atomics boots are amazing. I would suck Eheaths dick to get a pair of Atomic boots fitted by OneNerdyKid.
Abu-BaghdadiHave you ever ridden punks, they are by far one of the best park skis out there. Same goes for the Bent Chetler. Ski design IMO has plateaued, and the next frontier is boots, and like you said, Atomics boots are amazing. I would suck Eheaths dick to get a pair of Atomic boots fitted by OneNerdyKid.
Abu-BaghdadiI would suck Eheaths dick to get a pair of Atomic boots fitted by OneNerdyKid.
TallxTLikely exactly the situation but it still sucks for all of us. RMU doesn't get to grow and then can't afford the next Jonah to cross their paths. Kids buy atomically instead of rmus cause they love Jonah. Atomic spends that money on racing or making a dope backcountry boot instead of reinvesting it into our sect of skiing.
I really like what I'm seeing for Keegan with hg or Magnus with on3p or the bunch ski from Revision. Perhaps the riders could get more money with a bigger race brand, but instead we see pro models developed so that the skier will directly benefit from the sales they generate and the brand gets the opportunity to grow larger as well. I don't know if it works or not, but stoked to see these riders and companies giving it a try.
TallxTOr wait, were you suggestion atomic spent money to make the best park ski? That may be valid I was more so referencing reinvesting in content, projects, events and athletes.
TallxTOr wait, were you suggestion atomic spent money to make the best park ski? That may be valid I was more so referencing reinvesting in content, projects, events and athletes.
casey_copeThe thing is though is these guys gotta eat. They gotta pay rent. kinda weird how skiing has some of the richest customers yet some of the poorest pro athletes
FIBskiHow is RMU reinvesting into the sport? Are their skis on an international level? Kids got to eat homie.
Abu-BaghdadiAs far as reinvesting in athletes and projects, you have atomic airtime which is pretty damn creative. They basically give their athletes a blank space to build whatever they want. I'd say that's pretty cool. What contests does HG or whatever sponsor?
And as far as ski design goes, I haven't ridden HGS, but I have ridden revisions and there was nothing that stood out about them. ON3P are cool, but again I wouldn't buy them over punx.
Let's put it this way, you should buy what ski you think is the best, not what ski you think is the coolest and will make you look the most core. I'm currently riding Faction Somas which I bought of Corey Vanular, now it's cool that Corey got some money, but that money isn't going to reinvested into the ski industry, where as if I bought a pair of Atomics or Salomon, then yes that money would have reinvested into the ski industry. Although the majority of NS would consider me core for buying skis off corey and not buying skis from Atomic.
At the end of the day, in every industry you have core and non core brands. And for the most part, the smaller brands seem to survive. If you can offer a product that is better, cheaper,etc,etc than your competitors then people will buy it. This is why ON3P, RMU, J skis have survived but you have companies that fail.
And I know I've made this point before, but apparently Line skis is core, although their skis are made in China, where as Atomic owns factories in Austria.
TallxTThat's exactly what I'm pulling for here. If you bought skis from salomon or atomic you would have invested in ski racing.
You say the small companies will survive, perhaps. I'd rather see them thrive and grow. That's why I'm speaking out on the topic. It'd be way cooler to have more brands like armada and faction, that actually give a fuck about us, than brands like k2 and atomic that care about CEOs and racing or whatever they actually believe in.
Line is not core, but that has nothing to do with where their skis are made.
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TheDoughAbidesDo you listen to blister's podcast? They recently held a long interview with J Lev and he paints a pretty eye-opening picture in regards to what smaller brands are up against and what we stand to lose if they don't make it.
TallxThttp://blistergearreview.com/featured/ep-13-jason-levinthal-on-how-to-save-skiing
I haven't but is sounds like something I need to hear. bout to play, thanks for the suggestion. Here is link for anyone else:
.GUCCI.Is J skis core?
TallxTI'd say so. what do you say?
.GUCCI.I dont really know, I just asked since J lev started them both. How about fulltilt? They sponsor ski jumpers, and some of the gnarliest and fun park skiers.
.GUCCI.Is J skis core?
TallxTYeah j Lev start them both, but very different companies at this point. J skis is owned by Jlev and Line skis is owned by shareholders of Jarden corporation. Which basically means that if you buy jskis, j gets money but if you buy lines then those shareholders get money. Full tilt is also owned by Jarden.
WeastcoastAlexi would say that j skis are core, they release a hundred pairs of a ski and that's it. just like ninthward has just done recently.
and Mr. lip on blind two, i have a question. what outerwear brands do you think are core. I wear virtika and tall t
TallxTHG sponsors Sugarbush parks, their local mountain. I'm sure for events they hook up some rail jams too. I think you can win some HGs at Killington during the year. Beyond events, they come correct with content as I'm sure you've seen some of their movies. But I'm not here to defend each small brand. Bottom line is if you gave anyone one of these brands the amount of money Atomic gets from punx a larger portion of it would be directly benefitting our segment of skiing.
The next bit is where we have a big difference of opinion. I actually believe we should buy what we think is coolest rather than what is best. In my experience, difference between quality of product (minimal) doesn't make up for the lack of support a racing brand will give back to freeskiing. And where smaller brands have fallen short in quality they tend to make up for it in customer service. What outerwear do you ski in?
As for the money you gave Corey. If he gets 1 or 2 clips in the street because he could afford to eat and get to the spot then hell yeah it was reinvested in skiing. Or maybe he got to whistler with that money and filmed that edit that just came out. That's exactly what I'm pulling for here. If you bought skis from salomon or atomic you would have invested in ski racing.
You say the small companies will survive, perhaps. I'd rather see them thrive and grow. That's why I'm speaking out on the topic. It'd be way cooler to have more brands like armada and faction, that actually give a fuck about us, than brands like k2 and atomic that care about CEOs and racing or whatever they actually believe in.
Line is not core, but that has nothing to do with where their skis are made.
Response got kinda long there, just trying to express myself clearly. If anything doesn't make sense just let me know and I'll try to clarify. Also, thanks for the healthy debate (=
TallxTI haven't ridden punks. Have you ridden HGs? Or revisions? Or vishnus? Or the new 9s?
Abu-BaghdadiWell I didn't know that about HG. That's pretty cool. Good for them.
And just for the record I ski in North Face outerwear.
But as far as reinvesting in the sport goes, you seem to have this idea that all the money spent on a park ski is being invested solely into race skis. Which may or may not be true. I would love to see the numbers on what percentage of the profit margin is spent on park and what money is spent on racing. You can speculate all you like, but at the end of the day, Atomic, etc, still need to think of ways to make their skis better than competitors so people will buy them. So for some part, they're still reinvesting into our sport.
Jon_Tafferthis isn't really relevant to the discussion, but i have ridden HG's, Revision's and Atomic's (infamous, not punx) and honestly i liked the infamous' the most even though they snapped in a matter of weeks. And just to play devils advocate, sometimes buying from a bigger brand does infact bring upon advances in our part of the sport. if you buy a pair of skis from salomon, or atomic, or nordica (it applies to all big race brands) and they put that money into r&d and develop a new base material, or edge material that can be transferred to park skis, then that definitely brings advances to our sports. sometimes you gotta dig deeper
TallxTTo clarify, I don't believe all the money from a park ski is going into racing, but more than compared to brands that don't make race skis. Considering such brands have no market share in racing there is no need to speculate. Which is my biggest point, why should a single cent of money coming from us go to ski racing? We're shooting our self and our future selves in the foot every time. The only room for debate there is how badly so.
Fundamentally we have different views on why a brand should be supported and that's ok. I respect your desire to have the highest quality product and it certainly would make sense that brands with more money would tend to succeed and developing that. I instead value a brand's support for things like content and athletes and other items I mentioned before. Not to say the racing brands don't care at all, but to say that I can be 100% sure its all that the core brands care about. Along with money of course, because after all this is business.
Abu-BaghdadiYou can speculate all you like, but at the end of the day, Atomic, etc, still need to think of ways to make their skis better than competitors so people will buy them. So for some part, they're still reinvesting into our sport.
Abu-BaghdadiI can see where you're coming from, and you're right. It would be cool if Atomic and Salomon did invest more money into our sport. But that's just the way the industry is. You have people like me, that will buy the best possible ski, and then you have people like you who buy the coolest ski and the ski that will support the smaller brands.
First_ChairCore companies have Skis, Boots, Bindings, with carbon stringers and metal top sheets.
Even the largest ski companies are still relatively small. A parent company is not the ski company. Oh and K2, Salomon made it happen via Poacher, 1080. If you like expensive wooden skis that your uncle could make in the garage after a holiday 5 Pack go for a indy brand.
Abu-BaghdadiI can see where you're coming from, and you're right. It would be cool if Atomic and Salomon did invest more money into our sport. But that's just the way the industry is. You have people like me, that will buy the best possible ski, and then you have people like you who buy the coolest ski and the ski that will support the smaller brands.
cydwhitI mean, "core" can change over the course of your arc as a skier as well. I have no problem with Salomon and Atomic, and I have no problem giving them my money, because they make products that I find to be very useful, and will never be produced by an indie brand, for example the MTN Lab and the Backland Carbon.
