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Swandog7
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Threw my first couple front flips today on a small jump due to temps on the 40s for the past week and landed on my back every time. I learned front flips when i was 6 on tramp (gymnastics) and throw them off cliffs and high dives all the time. I had a video taken and I'm lagging some power off the takeoff. I don't have a big jump yet so 10ft is all i have but i take it about 20ft. I prefer superman front flips but thats not an option and would have probably the same result anyway. Can anyone help me out?

tl;dr My takeoff sucks ass, land on back, small jump, yes i can front flip on tramp
Dec 8 2015 10:19PM
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Deforestation
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The difference between tramp and a jump is the angle at which you launch (0 degrees on tramp as opposed to like 20-30 on a jump) because of this, you have to throw harder on snow. Physics are all thrown off between the two.

You'll get it.
Dec 8 2015 10:24PM
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Swandog7
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Isis_rocksThe difference between tramp and a jump is the angle at which you launch (0 degrees on tramp as opposed to like 20-30 on a jump) because of this, you have to throw harder on snow. Physics are all thrown off between the two.

You'll get it.


yah i just want to get it faster, i can only land on my back so many times
Dec 8 2015 10:30PM
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JEWmanji
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I'm wondering if it's better/easier to take off with 2 feet next to each other or one in front one alittle behind and kinda rock into it?
Dec 8 2015 10:41PM
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270on420out
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JEWmanjiI'm wondering if it's better/easier to take off with 2 feet next to each other or one in front one alittle behind and kinda rock into it?


Way easier with one in front. I suck at frontflips, but this is the only way I can do them. Also OP, I'm guessing you are not using your legs when you flip. This is the most common frontflip error.
Dec 8 2015 10:45PM
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Swandog7
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THEDIRTYBUBBLEWay easier with one in front. I suck at frontflips, but this is the only way I can do them. Also OP, I'm guessing you are not using your legs when you flip. This is the most common frontflip error.


You are probably right on. Im hucking my meat again tomorrow most likely.
Dec 8 2015 10:50PM
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BCski95
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When i see people attempting front flips i usually see their head go strait to their dick and they flip very slow. last summer i kept working on mine so i had better air awareness and i also came to realize that propelling your chest forward to get up and over your skis helps a lot and then add the tuck to flip faster
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/799736/front-flip-MOV
Dec 9 2015 10:24AM
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jackdonovan
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Swandog7You are probably right on. Im hucking my meat again tomorrow most likely.


have any videos of attempts. you're probably throwing down off the lip of the jump when you should be popping and kind of pushing out. my friend had the same problem but once he started popping and kind of throwing it like a superman it came around much easier. i can post a vid if necessary
Dec 9 2015 10:30AM
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cb27.
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BCski95When i see people attempting front flips i usually see their head go strait to their dick and they flip very slow. last summer i kept working on mine so i had better air awareness and i also came to realize that propelling your chest forward to get up and over your skis helps a lot and then add the tuck to flip faster
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/799736/front-flip-MOV


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Dec 9 2015 10:31AM
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JohnThatWasTits
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I don't have a tramp. I wanna do a front flip but idk where or how to start
Dec 9 2015 10:35AM
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kempswich
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BCski95i also came to realize that propelling your chest forward to get up and over your skis helps a lot and then add the tuck to flip faster


Thanks for tip! Im going to be trying this this weekend and wasn't quite sure on a few things but this is actually a helpful thread.

+1 for NS
Dec 9 2015 10:37AM
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JCTheut
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Frontflips feel weird at first but once you get them you can throw them off anything. In my opinion the simplest way to do them is to stagger your feet and then "kick" yourself upside down. Also make sure you pop out instead of straight down it seems scary at first but you actually rotate a lot faster if you pop out and then tuck. Good Luck!
Dec 9 2015 10:38AM
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BCski95
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https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/799739/front-flip-MOV

if id didn't work this is one of my front flips last season which shows me throwing it forward up and over my ski rather than down. I hope that this example could help.
Dec 9 2015 10:47AM
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Deepskier
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I have yet to flip but want to do one this winter when its slushy of a nuckle ive noticed it easier on a tramp when you keep you legs straight and bend at the hip and tuck good thread
Dec 9 2015 10:57AM
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Swandog7
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jackdonovanhave any videos of attempts. you're probably throwing down off the lip of the jump when you should be popping and kind of pushing out. my friend had the same problem but once he started popping and kind of throwing it like a superman it came around much easier. i can post a vid if necessary


I much prefer superman but the jump is way too small for it. Ill probably give it another go today and see what happens
Dec 9 2015 12:42PM
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Ian_Fitz
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When you tuck, make sure you tuck as your airborne.....I sometimes do it to early and butter into the flip and I landed on my ass when doing it sometimes. On small jumps I like to untuck when I'm about 70% around and I see the tree line.
Dec 9 2015 12:43PM
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jackdonovan
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Swandog7I much prefer superman but the jump is way too small for it. Ill probably give it another go today and see what happens


its not necessarily superman but throwing your chest out and up to get some pop and get you over your skis
Dec 9 2015 1:09PM
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Swandog7
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jackdonovanits not necessarily superman but throwing your chest out and up to get some pop and get you over your skis


Yah I just couldn't get my feet over due to a bad takeoff
Dec 9 2015 1:12PM
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epapageorges
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First off let me say that front flipping on skis feels way different than a tramp or a cliff, you really need to use your skis to initiate the flip. Staggering your feet on takeoff is key, and then pop off of your lead foot while kicking your back leg back towards the back of your head that's what you wanna do with your legs to get the flip started. What you will want to do with your upper body at the same time is lead with your chest open kinda up and out almost like a superman front but you don't have to hold it, you can tuck right away if you want after extending your upper body up and out towards your landing. When you feel yourself starting to flip you can tuck to make it come around quicker that way you can adjust how fast you flip depending on the amount of airtime you have.
Some examples:
https://www.instagram.com/p/yK8fCbvSQo/
https://www.instagram.com/p/vBxu6rvSUA/
https://www.instagram.com/p/xfApo3vSUF/
Once you get comfy with them, they are the easiest way to get upside down on skis, it's even pretty mellow to do them onto or out of boxes
Dec 9 2015 3:56PM
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cb27.
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epapageorgesFirst off let me say that front flipping on skis feels way different than a tramp or a cliff, you really need to use your skis to initiate the flip. Staggering your feet on takeoff is key, and then pop off of your lead foot while kicking your back leg back towards the back of your head that's what you wanna do with your legs to get the flip started. What you will want to do with your upper body at the same time is lead with your chest open kinda up and out almost like a superman front but you don't have to hold it, you can tuck right away if you want after extending your upper body up and out towards your landing. When you feel yourself starting to flip you can tuck to make it come around quicker that way you can adjust how fast you flip depending on the amount of airtime you have.
Some examples:
https://www.instagram.com/p/yK8fCbvSQo/
https://www.instagram.com/p/vBxu6rvSUA/
https://www.instagram.com/p/xfApo3vSUF/
Once you get comfy with them, they are the easiest way to get upside down on skis, it's even pretty mellow to do them onto or out of boxes


Last link's a very good example.
Dec 9 2015 5:48PM
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