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Starting in park

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TangCanons
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Last year was my first year skiing so I stayed out of the park for the most part. This year I want to progress in the park. What are some tricks you guys got your first year skiing park. Also are K2 presses good park skis for the east coast
Nov 30 2015 6:39PM
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fries
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Dont start park until you're really comfortable with skiing outside of it. But i would start with 180s and boxes and progress towards 360s as well as sliding rails and so on
Nov 30 2015 6:42PM
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Shoey-Ski
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Always remember pop is key for almost every trick you do, also commitment i struggled a lot with rails until i started to commit, as for beginner tricks my first year i learned 180s, and 3s, as well as sliding boxes and some rails
Nov 30 2015 6:43PM
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michael.hsu.5059
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I am always confused when people say "pop", mostly because of the wording and even some guides explicitly saying that pop is more of a "mini-jump" where you kinda pump your upper body up by bending slightly at the waist.
Especially for boxes I find I need to full on BASKETBALL JUMP to get enough air time to turn my body sideways and onto the box.
So which is it? Full on reach-for-the-sky jump or a "jolt"?
Nov 30 2015 6:47PM
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AgitatedHiatus
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go big or go home OP
Nov 30 2015 6:51PM
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Swandog7
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sometimes more speed than you think you need is the right amount of speed.

Check out the features before you hit them

pop toward the end of the rail/box

always look at the end of the box/rail overtime you slide it

everything isn't as scary as it seems until you try it

lead with your head and shoulders, all your power comes from your hips
Nov 30 2015 6:56PM
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fries
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michael.hsu.5059I am always confused when people say "pop", mostly because of the wording and even some guides explicitly saying that pop is more of a "mini-jump" where you kinda pump your upper body up by bending slightly at the waist.
Especially for boxes I find I need to full on BASKETBALL JUMP to get enough air time to turn my body sideways and onto the box.
So which is it? Full on reach-for-the-sky jump or a "jolt"?


Its a mini hop like you said, you kinda hop at a certain point as you go off the jump. and for the boxes you probably need more speed. Instead of a huge jump on you need to just do a swift 90 degree turn on. you can practice by going onto the box straight then turning, and also by learning 180s if you havent yet to get used to spinning on skis
Nov 30 2015 6:57PM
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TobinSnow1
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You should definetly learn how to jump properly. Then move onto 180s and 360s. Plus you can do easy spins on a box. Then rails and so on
Nov 30 2015 6:59PM
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michael.hsu.5059
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schjfand for the boxes you probably need more speed. Instead of a huge jump on you need to just do a swift 90 degree turn on.


Would the speed give me more air time? The problem is I always land on the box at the beginning of the slide at only about 60 degrees not full 90, because I didn't get enough air time to spin.
There is also mixed information on exactly what you turn with - your shoulders? or your hips? Both? Or just one? Which gives you more power?
I've seen tons of people that face their chest down the box instead of perpendicular to it like the skis (or at least they jump onto the box facing down, then only turning their hips to get the skis perpendicular). I've also seen people that fully turn their entire body shoulders and hips all perpendicular to the box, but only with the head pointed down the box the whole time. This seems to be more correct?
The science/physics involved I've heard with spinning is that 1) Wherever your shoulders is pointed, your hips will follow naturally, so turn with your shoulders more than your hips, and 2) your hips carry more power behind it so turn with your hips and correct your shoulders as needed.
Nov 30 2015 7:29PM
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fries
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michael.hsu.5059Would the speed give me more air time? The problem is I always land on the box at the beginning of the slide at only about 60 degrees not full 90, because I didn't get enough air time to spin.
There is also mixed information on exactly what you turn with - your shoulders? or your hips? Both? Or just one? Which gives you more power?
I've seen tons of people that face their chest down the box instead of perpendicular to it like the skis (or at least they jump onto the box facing down, then only turning their hips to get the skis perpendicular). I've also seen people that fully turn their entire body shoulders and hips all perpendicular to the box, but only with the head pointed down the box the whole time. This seems to be more correct?
The science/physics involved I've heard with spinning is that 1) Wherever your shoulders is pointed, your hips will follow naturally, so turn with your shoulders more than your hips, and 2) your hips carry more power behind it so turn with your hips and correct your shoulders as needed.


Yes speed will help a lot, and you may need to wind up a little bit more and prepare. also, turn mainly from your hips. Dont overthink it too much because it will get confusing, but approach with knees bent and shoulder width apart, leaning forward, then pop and turn 90
Nov 30 2015 7:35PM
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michael.hsu.5059
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schjfYes speed will help a lot, and you may need to wind up a little bit more and prepare. also, turn mainly from your hips. Dont overthink it too much because it will get confusing, but approach with knees bent and shoulder width apart, leaning forward, then pop and turn 90


Okay will try that, thanks!
Nov 30 2015 7:37PM
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The.Fish
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Also ski with people better than you. I didn't learn one trick my first year when i skied alone or with kids worse than me. I still suck so i can't give good advice on form but peer pressure does wonders.
Nov 30 2015 7:57PM
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The.Fish
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When sliding rails and boxes for the first time you need to accept that you are going to slip out onto your side. I bet less than 2% of anybody on here never slipped out when learning. Once you slip out the first time, you learn you arent made of glass and it doesn't hurt that bad. You may look stupid but you will look better when you actually slide it and get some style in there.
Nov 30 2015 8:01PM
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r.simp
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Having huge balls and commitment
Nov 30 2015 8:05PM
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r.simp
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Also most urban rails aren't are hard as you think you just have to go for it. Join the trick tip forum there's a shit ton of useful stuff in there
Nov 30 2015 8:07PM
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Swandog7
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close your shoulders, i see to many people keep them too open. Make your entire body parallel to the box/rail. Also if you keep your hands down it will help you keep fully 90. Use your hips, and shoulders to get on.
Nov 30 2015 8:13PM
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alexgrazioso
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i know a few people with the presses and none of them have any complaints. i'd start out by getting skiing switch down( i didnt my first year and now i realize that i should have), because this will help with half the tricks you will ever do. 1s and 3s are good first tricks to try on jumps, start out small and then try taking them to bigger features and adding grabs, just getting comfortable with the air. this way 5s and higher spins will be easier. for me rails were really hard at first, but i just learned them by trial and error on rails about 3 inches off the ground until i got it(it took a while). IMO sliding boxes and rails are different, because most boxes they are wide enough that its nearly impossible to really lock on, where you must lock on to every rail. i cant really explain how to stay on a rail, it just comes after a lot of practice. my first season skiing park i did a front 2 as well, it is a fairly easy trick once you feel comfortable sliding the rail. you just press on the heel of your front foot and hop, setting it with your shoulders and hips just like a 1 or 3.
Nov 30 2015 8:22PM
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The.Fish
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RsimpsonAlso most urban rails aren't are hard as you think you just have to go for it. Join the trick tip forum there's a shit ton of useful stuff in there


I've been on ns for almost a year and I have never heard of the trick tip forum. How do I join / read.
Nov 30 2015 10:00PM
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r.simp
Posts: 361 - Karma: 670
cjt121099I've been on ns for almost a year and I have never heard of the trick tip forum. How do I join / read.


https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/2690/Trick-Tip-Forum That link should bring you to it and then just click join there's a lot of useful stuff in it and you'll usually get a few replies if you post.
Nov 30 2015 10:31PM
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Shoey-Ski
Posts: 1649 - Karma: 6,190
michael.hsu.5059Would the speed give me more air time? The problem is I always land on the box at the beginning of the slide at only about 60 degrees not full 90, because I didn't get enough air time to spin.
There is also mixed information on exactly what you turn with - your shoulders? or your hips? Both? Or just one? Which gives you more power?
I've seen tons of people that face their chest down the box instead of perpendicular to it like the skis (or at least they jump onto the box facing down, then only turning their hips to get the skis perpendicular). I've also seen people that fully turn their entire body shoulders and hips all perpendicular to the box, but only with the head pointed down the box the whole time. This seems to be more correct?
The science/physics involved I've heard with spinning is that 1) Wherever your shoulders is pointed, your hips will follow naturally, so turn with your shoulders more than your hips, and 2) your hips carry more power behind it so turn with your hips and correct your shoulders as needed.


solid pop will also help, make sure you are approaching the box with it in between your skis, so you may be comming in with a wider than normal stance but this will guarantee that you land centered on the box and again a big solid pop will help with the rotation
Nov 30 2015 11:35PM
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